[OT] "Why Do They Hate Us?"

"Chris" wrote in message
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Please delete alt.support.attn-deficit when reply to Chris. Support groups
do not appreciate being cluttered by messages from people who take perverse
delight in how long a thread they create.

thank you for your cooperation.

In alt.parenting.spanking M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 10, 2004 M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t wrote:

: "Chris" wrote in message
: ...

: Please delete alt.support.attn-deficit when reply to Chris. Support groups
: do not appreciate being cluttered by messages from people who take perverse
: delight in how long a thread they create.

: thank you for your cooperation.

The "what is terrorism?" thread was a renamed continuation of a
thread originally started by someone in alt.support.attn-deficit back in
2001. You, Mark, posted hundreds of responses to that thread in an
unsuccessful attempt to argue that certain actions of the USA do not
constitute terrorism. It is a bit late for you to be taking the position
you just took in your above note. You are now behaving like a bad sport
after having attempted to refute me and repeatedly making a hash of it.

The title of this thread is new because I feel the old topic has
been run in to the ground. There is not, in fact, any definition of the
word "terrorism" which encompasses every act which apologists for the
USA's conduct in foreign policy would wish to label "terrorism" in others,
which does not simultaneously encompass actions of which the USA itself is
also guilty. This failure has been amply demonstrated in the lengthy
"what is terrorism?" thread.

I have had some interesting exchanges with certain members of
alt.support.attn-deficit in the past and would like that to continue if
there is any interest, as I suspect there will be. In compliance with
netiquette, I have clearly labeled this new thread title as off topic
("OT") and will consistently use exactly the same title henceforth so that
those who do not wish to see this thread may killfile the title and
exclude it from their view. Those who do reply from
alt.support.attn-deficit are encouraged to ignore Mark and leave the
newsgroup on their follow-up line. I am interested in the views of
members of alt.support.attn-deficit and encourage your participation.

The world is entering a crisis period and never has world opinion
been so overwhelmingly negative towards the USA as now. Why is this? I
believe this issue needs to be discussed and that the internet is an ideal
medium for such a discussion to occur.

Chris, USA

Chris wrote in message
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In alt.parenting.spanking M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 10, 2004 M.a.r.k
P.r.o.b.e.r.t wrote:

: "Chris" wrote in message
: ...

: Please delete alt.support.attn-deficit when reply to Chris. Support
groups
: do not appreciate being cluttered by messages from people who take
perverse
: delight in how long a thread they create.

: thank you for your cooperation.

The "what is terrorism?" thread was a renamed continuation of a
thread originally started by someone in alt.support.attn-deficit back in
2001. You, Mark, posted hundreds of responses to that thread in an
unsuccessful attempt to argue that certain actions of the USA do not
constitute terrorism. It is a bit late for you to be taking the position
you just took in your above note. You are now behaving like a bad sport
after having attempted to refute me and repeatedly making a hash of it.

The title of this thread is new because I feel the old topic has
been run in to the ground. There is not, in fact, any definition of the
word "terrorism" which encompasses every act which apologists for the
USA's conduct in foreign policy would wish to label "terrorism" in others,
which does not simultaneously encompass actions of which the USA itself is
also guilty. This failure has been amply demonstrated in the lengthy
"what is terrorism?" thread.

I have had some interesting exchanges with certain members of
alt.support.attn-deficit in the past and would like that to continue if
there is any interest, as I suspect there will be. In compliance with
netiquette, I have clearly labeled this new thread title as off topic
("OT") and will consistently use exactly the same title henceforth so that
those who do not wish to see this thread may killfile the title and
exclude it from their view. Those who do reply from
alt.support.attn-deficit are encouraged to ignore Mark and leave the
newsgroup on their follow-up line. I am interested in the views of
members of alt.support.attn-deficit and encourage your participation.

The world is entering a crisis period and never has world opinion
been so overwhelmingly negative towards the USA as now. Why is this? I
believe this issue needs to be discussed and that the internet is an ideal
medium for such a discussion to occur.

Chris, USA

And you have alt.guitar.amps included for...what?

You want another dose of what you got last time?
Your ISP looks a bit different...wonder how that
happened?

Don't say I didn't warn you.

Lord Valve
Denver, Colorado

"Chris" wrote in message
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In alt.parenting.spanking M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 10, 2004 M.a.r.k
P.r.o.b.e.r.t wrote:

: "Chris" wrote in message
: ...

: Please delete alt.support.attn-deficit when reply to Chris. Support
groups
: do not appreciate being cluttered by messages from people who take
perverse
: delight in how long a thread they create.

: thank you for your cooperation.

The "what is terrorism?" thread was a renamed continuation of a
thread originally started by someone in alt.support.attn-deficit back in
2001. You, Mark, posted hundreds of responses to that thread in an
unsuccessful attempt to argue that certain actions of the USA do not
constitute terrorism.

Chris, I was wrong to try to refute your greatness. You are wonderful. You
are the most knowledgeable.

Now, kindly FOAD and quit spamming off topic newsgroups.

"Chris" wrote in message
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Chris obviously does not entertain polite reuqests to not post off topic to
newsgroups.

The only way to end these threads is to never respond to him.

Truth is, this where the completely powerless flap jaws (typing) to "vent" and are 110% ignored by the powerful.

Marc Mulay
Laguna Hills, CA

Chris wrote:

The world is entering a crisis period and never has world opinion
been so overwhelmingly negative towards the USA as now. Why is this? I
believe this issue needs to be discussed and that the internet is an ideal
medium for such a discussion to occur.

Chris, USA

As little as I generally think of eaton's usual neocon line, the point he makes in this post is quite sound, in my opinion.



steve eaton wrote:


(snip yet another cut and paste job)

If you have something to say just say it, it might be interesting.
You're obviously a bright intellect. That said, Please stop posting wave after wave of cut and paste news articles. You are not charged
with providing me, or as far as I know, anyone else with a reading list. I am, and most others are, fully capable of deciding what news we
wish to read.

I for one am usually willing to discuss things of this nature, but you are not enticing me to discuss, instead you are annoying me to the
point
where I am just about to killfile you permanently. Your choice Bucko, But I will have you note that it is difficult to make one's point
from the
darkness of an empty room.

Speak for yourself and quit spamming a.g.a. with your cut and paste BS.

Marc Mulay wrote in message ...
[snip]
Even people who drool, walk backwards and can't effectively count change know
that the long vaunted "War on Drugs" is a total bust.

I disagree. I think the War On Drugs has been a resounding
success! Just look at the long list of proven accomplishments of the
triumphant War On Drugs:

* Lots of new prisons have been built. Now the USA has a
greater percentage of its citizens under lock and key than any other
country on Earth. We're number one!

* Huge numbers of blacks and latinos and low income whites have
been imprisoned and disenfranchized as a result of drug related felony
records. So they will never vote again. Now, thank goodness, we can
just politically ignore them - except to throw them back into those
new prisons if they get tired of being ignored and begin to turn
restive.

* Racist harassment of citizens of color has found a new
legalistic justification in the form of drug-crime-related "profiling.

* Troublesome civil liberties have thankfully been eroded to the
point where police can confiscate someone's cash simply because they
have a lot of it on their person, and never return it, and never have
to prove any wrongdoing on the part of the person, and never have to
charge them with anything.

* Troublesome privacy rights have been diminished to the point
where in order to get a job and provide for their families workers
must submit to a degrading search of their bodily fluids. This sets a
very useful precedent for all sorts of other humiliating and intrusive
future invasions of privacy just a little further down the road.

* Thanks to the War On Drugs we can carry on vicious
counterinsurgency campaigns against the poor in Columbia and elsewhere
for political reasons while pretending that it is all just about coca.
First we use our IMF/WTO influence to pressure developing countries
into making neoliberal reforms and removing trade barriers and price
supports for legal commodities. Then we subsidize American farmers
with price supports of our own and undercut the unsubsidized foreign
competition so that they are left with no other way to support their
families except to grow coca. Then we send in the helicopter gunships
to do what the USA does best around the world nowadays: use military
force to prop up rich minorities against poor majorities. Oh yes, and
when the survivors of our counterinsurgency campaign get driven off
the land and wind up in shanty towns surrounding their capital city.
This gives us a vast reserve of abjectly poor workers for the
sweatshops of US-based multinational corporations - workers who will
be willing to do for $.50/hour what American workers used to do for a
decent living wage before their job got moved overseas.

Drug use in America continues just as before, of course. But
putting a stop to drug use was never the point. The fact that the War
On Drugs doesn't actually stop drug abuse is the sheer beauty of it.
The drug use pretext continues and continues, which enables the War to
continue and continue thus creating more and more of the sorts postive
gains listed above.

Chris, USA

well, before 911 the top two reasons we

1. US troops in Saudi Arabia

2. the Israeli bombing of the Qana

source: goog "Osama Bin Laden interview"

But deez days they have new reasons.

On 13 May 2004 12:36:32 -0700, (cddugan)
wrote:

My liberal friends are appalled at my support for the 2nd
Amendment. Anyone who argues that guns in private hands help preserve
liberty is dismissed as a "gun nut." But gun control and gun bans
have accompanied every tyranny of the Left or Right since guns were
invented.

Right, just look at all the tyranny in Europe, Australia, Canada, etc
etc. It's shocking.