Christine case...It's rolling! LMFAO

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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state had not right to
intervene in the parents business when the parents had their children
hung up in church and beat naked with various objects, they though
I was far too kind.

You claimed you showed this post by Fern to your keepers.

No I didn't. You are fantasizing again.

Why is it so hard to produce a link to Fern's post that says what you
claim?

Why is it so hard for you to produce a link to that accusation you made
above?

Well, could it be because you are a liar?

As for my producing a link, are you suggesting that my quote of Fern is a
lie?

Tiny URL has somehow slipped a cog and their link no longer goes to Fern's
post. At the time it did and those that clicked it read what I quoted. Can
it be produced again. heheh...well let's see shall we. Read on.

Are you trying to pretend to claim to bull**** us that she did not post
that quoted comment?

Let's start with that lovely legal jargon that applies here, and in my
recent discussion about 'threats.'

It's called, "goes to state of mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...m3_Q8fISn4esWT

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...0270d47a15c354

Read those and try to convince us Fern is not defending churches who beat
the children of their congregation. Go ahead. I want to see this.

Hey Don - you might begin by reading your own links -

In the links you have provided Fern criticizes CPS for their heavyhandedness
and references a Dateline program which came to the same conclusion!

No where does Fern support the actions you describe.

Rule#1 - everything you say will be twisted and used against you.

Typical CPS slimeball trick.

Thanks for the illustration Don.


Then move on to these:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...057f5c3cb664a7

Ditto - nothing here with Fern supporting actions you describe.


And of course, Fern's own post citing a news article where the language of
"suspend" and beat is clearly stated as the charges against the church
members.

Do you think she was posting that to defend the state's action against the
church members, village idiot?

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/... a7d926a0c8d0

And nothing here also.

This should put the issue to rest.

You are a lying CPS scumsucker. You live in a moral vacuum - false
accusations - false innuendos - to maintain your delusions. You are a very
sick person.




"Hard," Greg?

Does it look hard to find and re-post Fern's posts?

I guess that would look hard to you.

Now rather than deal with the issue that she supported churches beating
children, find some small detail to argue about.

Do the Doananation Dance for us.

0:-

Christopher wrote:
"0:-" wrote in message
news:P96dnUQLUNj2If3YnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state had not right to
intervene in the parents business when the parents had their children
hung up in church and beat naked with various objects, they though
I was far too kind.
You claimed you showed this post by Fern to your keepers.
No I didn't. You are fantasizing again.

Why is it so hard to produce a link to Fern's post that says what you
claim?
Why is it so hard for you to produce a link to that accusation you made
above?

Well, could it be because you are a liar?

As for my producing a link, are you suggesting that my quote of Fern is a
lie?

Tiny URL has somehow slipped a cog and their link no longer goes to Fern's
post. At the time it did and those that clicked it read what I quoted. Can
it be produced again. heheh...well let's see shall we. Read on.

Are you trying to pretend to claim to bull**** us that she did not post
that quoted comment?

Let's start with that lovely legal jargon that applies here, and in my
recent discussion about 'threats.'

It's called, "goes to state of mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...m3_Q8fISn4esWT

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...0270d47a15c354

Read those and try to convince us Fern is not defending churches who beat
the children of their congregation. Go ahead. I want to see this.

Hey Don - you might begin by reading your own links -

Kane here. 0:-

In the links you have provided Fern criticizes CPS for their heavyhandedness
and references a Dateline program which came to the same conclusion!

Yep. That doesn't mean the beatings didn't happen, and it doesn't mean
Fern didn't defend the church.

I am not arguing the merits of CPS in the case, I'm pointing out the
defense of what appears by the media description to be some pretty
severe ongoing..over considerable time...beating of little children.

The CPS heavy handedness had to do with police actions (CPS workers
don't carry hand cuffs) where police are doing what they are trained to
do to protect ALL parties at such an event. And the use of the church
directory to locate the church members.

Hardly very heavy handed, actually.

Please remember, I was NOT arguing about any of that before, and really
don't care, now.

This had to do with how Fern defended the beating of children in church.

She did by joining in the bull**** you just brought up. We don't really
know how heavyhanded anyone was, but I've seen again and again where
standard police procedures are criticized by people that know nothing
about them, their reasons, and the safety factors they provide even for
perps and innocent people in the area.

If I was part of that church and the cops came, and they wanted to
handcuff me to get me and others safely out of the building, I'd simply
put my hands out. There is nothing illegal or heavyhanded in handcuffing
someone.

The cops cannot know who the bad guy is, so they tend to cuff'em all.

Unless they hurt me doing so, I have no beef. If they hurt me because I
want to put on a show (that IS what took place, stupid) by struggling,
screaming, spitting on the cop, thrashing about violently, hey..that's
how it goes. I'm going to get hurt, and I get to scream, as Fern seems
be supporting, and you as well, "CPS brutality."

No where does Fern support the actions you describe.

Bull****. Quote here, anywhere in that diatribe and tell us that she's
not supporting the church and it's actions.

Her posts for years consisted entirely of outlandish attacks on CPS by
everything from "CPS should set up community activity centers for
youth.." to this kind of bull**** where someone is beating a child and
it's an invasion for CPS to stop it.

You are just another pile of lying crap, little boy.

Rule#1 - everything you say will be twisted and used against you.

Then stop doing it.

Typical CPS slimeball trick.

Why would you wish to be like CPS?

Thanks for the illustration Don.

I'll give him your message if you wish.

0:-






Then move on to these:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...057f5c3cb664a7

Ditto - nothing here with Fern supporting actions you describe.

And of course, Fern's own post citing a news article where the language of
"suspend" and beat is clearly stated as the charges against the church
members.

Do you think she was posting that to defend the state's action against the
church members, village idiot?

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/... a7d926a0c8d0

And nothing here also.

This should put the issue to rest.

You are a lying CPS scumsucker. You live in a moral vacuum - false
accusations - false innuendos - to maintain your delusions. You are a very
sick person.



"Hard," Greg?

Does it look hard to find and re-post Fern's posts?

I guess that would look hard to you.

Now rather than deal with the issue that she supported churches beating
children, find some small detail to argue about.

Do the Doananation Dance for us.

0:-

"0:-" wrote in message
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Christopher wrote:
"0:-" wrote in message
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state had not right to
intervene in the parents business when the parents had their children
hung up in church and beat naked with various objects, they though
I was far too kind.
You claimed you showed this post by Fern to your keepers.
No I didn't. You are fantasizing again.

Why is it so hard to produce a link to Fern's post that says what you
claim?
Why is it so hard for you to produce a link to that accusation you made
above?

Well, could it be because you are a liar?

As for my producing a link, are you suggesting that my quote of Fern is
a lie?

Tiny URL has somehow slipped a cog and their link no longer goes to
Fern's post. At the time it did and those that clicked it read what I
quoted. Can it be produced again. heheh...well let's see shall we. Read
on.

Are you trying to pretend to claim to bull**** us that she did not post
that quoted comment?

Let's start with that lovely legal jargon that applies here, and in my
recent discussion about 'threats.'

It's called, "goes to state of mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...m3_Q8fISn4esWT

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...0270d47a15c354

Read those and try to convince us Fern is not defending churches who
beat the children of their congregation. Go ahead. I want to see this.

Hey Don - you might begin by reading your own links -

Kane here. 0:-

In the links you have provided Fern criticizes CPS for their
heavyhandedness and references a Dateline program which came to the same
conclusion!

Yep. That doesn't mean the beatings didn't happen, and it doesn't mean
Fern didn't defend the church.

I am not arguing the merits of CPS in the case, I'm pointing out the
defense of what appears by the media description to be some pretty severe
ongoing..over considerable time...beating of little children.

The CPS heavy handedness had to do with police actions (CPS workers don't
carry hand cuffs) where police are doing what they are trained to do to
protect ALL parties at such an event. And the use of the church directory
to locate the church members.

Hardly very heavy handed, actually.

Please remember, I was NOT arguing about any of that before, and really
don't care, now.

This had to do with how Fern defended the beating of children in church.

Fern didn't defend the beatings at all - here is the first post:

Subject: GA public agrees w "spanking minister" Dateline Friday nite
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 12/16/01 9:04 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Reverend Allen and his Baptist congregation live around DeKalb County in
Georgia, USA.


The CPS, DCFACS, did not like the church's habits and kidnapped
approximately
55 children and held them for about 5 months.


The minister videoed the state coming in to "liberate" the children from
their
parents.


Subject: Dateline public defeats DCFACS-"belting minister"
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 12/15/01 11:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:


African-American minister stated that black children, due to their adverse
living environments, may need more discipline.


Apparently the Atlanta public agrees with the minister.


Another step in curbing CPS,DCFACS.


BTW, did you notice the brutality the 3 agents of the states used against
the
children when they handcuffed them and carried them into state custody.


Http://www.dateline.msnbc.com


Http://www.benchtree.com (WA state CPS restructuring site)


DESCRIPTORS; CAS,
ACS,FIA,DCF,DCS,DHR,DHS,DHHS,HHS,DCFS,DFCS,ILDCFS, CPPS,FCB,CFS,SRS,SCF,DYF
S,DFYS,DSS,DHHS,HHS,TDPRS,TROXEL, WHITE COLLAR CRIME, ABUSE, NEGLECT




Now, you pick out the part from this post where you say Fern has defended
the actions you describe. You can't asshole. Cause you're a typical CPS
screwball - false accuser with issues.

Your second link is to the same post.

Fern references a Dateline program about how CPS came and brutilized 55 kids
[not even the whupping victims], handcuffed them and stuffed them into
buses.

The Court ordered CPS to return these children to their parents as Dateline
reported.

Fern, Dateline, and Atlanta citizens expressed their outrage at CPS for
brutalizing 55 non-victims.

Now. This issue should be closed as you have AGAIN been shown to be a
falsely accusing CPS koo-koo with issues.

And Don, please post your evidence in short concise packages as I have.

It's a bummer having to wade through thousands of kb's of your lunatic rants
only to find you lied and/or twisted things beyond recognition.

You are typical CPS slimeswabber.

snipped rest of smoke and mirrors

Christopher wrote:
"0:-" wrote in message
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Christopher wrote:
"0:-" wrote in message
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state had not right to
intervene in the parents business when the parents had their children
hung up in church and beat naked with various objects, they though
I was far too kind.
You claimed you showed this post by Fern to your keepers.
No I didn't. You are fantasizing again.

Why is it so hard to produce a link to Fern's post that says what you
claim?
Why is it so hard for you to produce a link to that accusation you made
above?

Well, could it be because you are a liar?

As for my producing a link, are you suggesting that my quote of Fern is
a lie?

Tiny URL has somehow slipped a cog and their link no longer goes to
Fern's post. At the time it did and those that clicked it read what I
quoted. Can it be produced again. heheh...well let's see shall we. Read
on.

Are you trying to pretend to claim to bull**** us that she did not post
that quoted comment?

Let's start with that lovely legal jargon that applies here, and in my
recent discussion about 'threats.'

It's called, "goes to state of mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...m3_Q8fISn4esWT

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...0270d47a15c354

Read those and try to convince us Fern is not defending churches who
beat the children of their congregation. Go ahead. I want to see this.

Hey Don - you might begin by reading your own links -

Kane here. 0:-

In the links you have provided Fern criticizes CPS for their
heavyhandedness and references a Dateline program which came to the same
conclusion!

Yep. That doesn't mean the beatings didn't happen, and it doesn't mean
Fern didn't defend the church.

I am not arguing the merits of CPS in the case, I'm pointing out the
defense of what appears by the media description to be some pretty severe
ongoing..over considerable time...beating of little children.

The CPS heavy handedness had to do with police actions (CPS workers don't
carry hand cuffs) where police are doing what they are trained to do to
protect ALL parties at such an event. And the use of the church directory
to locate the church members.

Hardly very heavy handed, actually.

Please remember, I was NOT arguing about any of that before, and really
don't care, now.

This had to do with how Fern defended the beating of children in church.

Fern didn't defend the beatings at all - here is the first post:

Bull**** sucker. She has defended families and THIS CHURCH that did in
fact beat their children. Stop playing stupid word games that simply
prove what you low life scumsucking liar you are.


Subject: GA public agrees w "spanking minister" Dateline Friday nite
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 12/16/01 9:04 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Reverend Allen and his Baptist congregation live around DeKalb County in
Georgia, USA.


The CPS, DCFACS, did not like the church's habits and kidnapped
approximately
55 children and held them for about 5 months.


The minister videoed the state coming in to "liberate" the children from
their
parents.

What's that tell you stupid?

I told you, I'm not arguing CPS actions.

Prove they didn't beat the children and that Fern didn't defend this
pack of sick wallowing baby beaters, you sick ****.

0:-




Subject: Dateline public defeats DCFACS-"belting minister"
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 12/15/01 11:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:


African-American minister stated that black children, due to their adverse
living environments, may need more discipline.


Apparently the Atlanta public agrees with the minister.


Another step in curbing CPS,DCFACS.


BTW, did you notice the brutality the 3 agents of the states used against
the
children when they handcuffed them and carried them into state custody.


Http://www.dateline.msnbc.com


Http://www.benchtree.com (WA state CPS restructuring site)


DESCRIPTORS; CAS,
ACS,FIA,DCF,DCS,DHR,DHS,DHHS,HHS,DCFS,DFCS,ILDCFS, CPPS,FCB,CFS,SRS,SCF,DYF
S,DFYS,DSS,DHHS,HHS,TDPRS,TROXEL, WHITE COLLAR CRIME, ABUSE, NEGLECT




Now, you pick out the part from this post where you say Fern has defended
the actions you describe. You can't asshole. Cause you're a typical CPS
screwball - false accuser with issues.

Your second link is to the same post.

Fern references a Dateline program about how CPS came and brutilized 55 kids
[not even the whupping victims], handcuffed them and stuffed them into
buses.

The Court ordered CPS to return these children to their parents as Dateline
reported.

Fern, Dateline, and Atlanta citizens expressed their outrage at CPS for
brutalizing 55 non-victims.

Now. This issue should be closed as you have AGAIN been shown to be a
falsely accusing CPS koo-koo with issues.

And Don, please post your evidence in short concise packages as I have.

It's a bummer having to wade through thousands of kb's of your lunatic rants
only to find you lied and/or twisted things beyond recognition.

You are typical CPS slimeswabber.

snipped rest of smoke and mirrors

Kane wrote
Prove they didn't beat the children and that Fern didn't defend this
pack of sick wallowing baby beaters, you sick ****.

Rabid hysterical language painting with a broad brush.
Kane is an atheist and this took place in a church.
Kane is a singularly fanatic crusader for anti-spanking.

For Kane it is "ethical and moral" to swear and lie
about opponents.

Kane has made false claims about Fern.

Asked for links to her offending remarks he CAN NOT.

Links to Mapquest and links to Kane's old
remarks about Fern DO NOT prove that Fern
defended abuse in the way Kane has asserted.
When it's obvious that he cannot provide a link
to Fern saying such things, Kane then postures
that others cannot PROVE that she did not!

Fern complained about CPS violating the constitution
because Mr. Bond had been marked on the registry
as a child abuser with NO NOTICE.

Fern complained about CPS violating the constitution
because CPS used the entire church directory
to target families for investigation.

Kane feels no obligation to social graces. Fern does.
Kane referred to her over and over again as a smelly [c-word].

As if all of that is now LOW ENOUGH, there
is the simple fact that Kane seizes this sort of opportunity
whenever any opponent leaves.

Fern moved on to more productive persuits many months ago.
So WHY does Kane keep repeating her name over and over?

Kane wrote Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
alt.support.child-protective-services, alt.parenting.spanking,
alt.support.foster-parents
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state had not right to
intervene in the parents business when the parents had their children
hung up in church and beat naked with various objects, they though
I was far too kind.

Greg wrote
You claimed you showed this post by Fern to your keepers.

Kane wrote
No I didn't. You are fantasizing again.

Actually, your words above "they also saw her post" are crucial.

Below is more information on the CONTEXT of those comnments.

Why did Kane claim this was "fantasizing"?

31 From: 0:- - Date: Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
Groups: alt.support.child-protective-services,
alt.parenting.spanking, alt.support.foster-parents

Kane wrote
My whole neighborhood, mostly retired military, many from my own field
of the profession, and many retired law enforcement, and my
brother-in-law, a retired U.S. Marshall, are watching all this with
great interest. My little sister, his wife, kind of dotes on me, so she
keeps him interested, if he weren't already.
....
Greg wrote
2. I wonder what all of these ""connected"" people would think
if they looked at how you posted public obscenity for
over a year (and bragged about it), called an elderly woman
a (c-word) over and over again, harassed people at length, etc.

Kane wrote Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
alt.support.child-protective-services, alt.parenting.spanking,
alt.support.foster-parents
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state
had not right to intervene in the parents business when
the parents had their children hung up in church and
beat naked with various objects, they though I was far too kind.

Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
alt.support.child-protective-services, alt.parenting.spanking,
alt.support.foster-parents
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state had not right to
intervene in the parents business when the parents had their children
hung up in church and beat naked with various objects, they though
I was far too kind.

Greg wrote
You claimed you showed this post by Fern to your keepers.

Kane wrote
No I didn't. You are fantasizing again.

I have no "keepers."

Actually, your words above "they also saw her post" are crucial.

It's crucial to determine who "they" are and if the qualify as 'keepers'
of me.

Below is more information on the CONTEXT of those comnments.

Why did Kane claim this was "fantasizing"?

31 From: 0:- - Date: Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
Groups: alt.support.child-protective-services,
alt.parenting.spanking, alt.support.foster-parents

Kane wrote
My whole neighborhood, mostly retired military, many from my own field
of the profession, and many retired law enforcement, and my
brother-in-law, a retired U.S. Marshall, are watching all this with
great interest. My little sister, his wife, kind of dotes on me, so she
keeps him interested, if he weren't already.
...
Greg wrote
2. I wonder what all of these ""connected"" people would think
if they looked at how you posted public obscenity for
over a year (and bragged about it), called an elderly woman
a (c-word) over and over again, harassed people at length, etc.

Kane wrote Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
alt.support.child-protective-services, alt.parenting.spanking,
alt.support.foster-parents
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state
had not right to intervene in the parents business when
the parents had their children hung up in church and
beat naked with various objects, they though I was far too kind.

I've seen nothing suggesting they are my "keepers," Greg?

You have this wonderfully fanciful delusional state you fall into
whenever you post here.

Maybe being dropped on your head from a great height as a baby is really
a creative imagination booster, eh?

Or weren't you? And are you sure?

As for the posts in question? Yes, they saw them.

They thought Fern was a nutcase too.

Are you still wanting to argue that Fern identified the beatings and was
against them while defending the very perps?

That requires a HUGE spectacle of writhing logical dissonance to carry
off, but you would be just the one to try.

Greg, if there was a little girl, and her mommy's boyfriend had taken to
be real handy when she was taking showers he ordered her to take as
"aversive motivation" or some such, and the little girls G'pa showed up
and socked the boyfriend in the face, would you say I was defending the
sock in the face if I said, "The grandpa was right?"

Now, same scenario.

If I said instead, 'Grandpa was justified, but NOT to doing any socking
in the face of the boyfriend," you see the difference?

I have NOT defended the socking. If I fail to say this latter, and ONLY
defend the g'pa, say against the police coming and a struggle ensuing,
then Greg, I have by default defended the action of the g'pa...the
facial application of knuckles to said boyfriend.

Would you not grasp that if say, you were that boyfriend?

Or say, the cops?

The cops almost always, for instance, put cuffs on the people on scene
that look most likely to have a strong reaction to them having to be
there and arrest people.

Yet Fern would blame the cops, and join happily in the show the perps
and the participants, children trained to and threatened most likely
with lies about CPS coming to torture them, act out and force the cops
to use more restraints.

As for the directory. If it was taken legally, a church director is NOT
a protected document.

Membership lists are carefully concealed by people that want to hide the
membership because they KNOW they cannot legally withhold them if taken
by warrant, or found in the course of a legal entry seeking membership.

If you have this case to cite where I am shown to be wrong, I'll happily
admit you were correct. Unlike you when you are wrong.

Now while you are here, wallowing around in any and everything possible
to avoid the inevitable.

Why did you harass Dan Sullivan with slanderous claims that he was a
felon? Why did you claim a "privacy" that did not and does not exist in
that newsgroup at the time of his quoting it? Why have you not responded
with a retraction or adequate argument to support your claims by PROOF?

If you continue to avoid facing up to this harassment, I SHALL HAVE TO
TAKE STEPS, MIND YOU.

Personally I love the Scottish Sword dance, though I need to replace my
tartans. Damned bloody expensive, let me tell you.

The 'English' side of my ancestry, is actually Highland.

Just a quarter or so, but the sound of the pipes has a profound effect
on me.

Now, get honest Greg, if you can.

1. - You have made a claim against Dan that you have not provided proof
for.

Yet YOU claim harassment, and Dennis the Sock hints around at legal action.

You be damn sure to have a lawyer read ALL your posts before you set out
on that path, if that's your intent.

You are a thoroughgoing thug, bully, liar, and cheat, Greg.

And I have your posts to prove it.

You say Dan is a felon.

Do YOU have the posts to prove it?

If so, post them.

2. - How you doing on that first draft of a correction to the HWMC
hearing record into the congressional record that retracts your
statement against Iowa claiming they broke the law by not keeping to the
federally mandated guidelines for funding of X number of CPR offices
throughout their various districts?

Anything yet?

Why can't you produce it NOW before you have written it, like you want
the state of Iowa to produce it's budget for you before they have
produced and published it?

This is too funny, because we had this very same conversation about two
years ago, Dummy and you STILL can't remember that I told you, no one
can produce what's not produced yet, budget or pie.

****, what a feeb you are.

0:-

"Greegor" wrote in message
oups.com...
Kane wrote Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
alt.support.child-protective-services, alt.parenting.spanking,
alt.support.foster-parents
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state had not right to
intervene in the parents business when the parents had their children
hung up in church and beat naked with various objects, they though
I was far too kind.

Greg wrote
You claimed you showed this post by Fern to your keepers.

Kane wrote
No I didn't. You are fantasizing again.

Actually, your words above "they also saw her post" are crucial.

Below is more information on the CONTEXT of those comnments.

Why did Kane claim this was "fantasizing"?

31 From: 0:- - Date: Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
Groups: alt.support.child-protective-services,
alt.parenting.spanking, alt.support.foster-parents

Kane wrote
My whole neighborhood, mostly retired military, many from my own field
of the profession, and many retired law enforcement, and my
brother-in-law, a retired U.S. Marshall, are watching all this with
great interest. My little sister, his wife, kind of dotes on me, so she
keeps him interested, if he weren't already.
...
Greg wrote
2. I wonder what all of these ""connected"" people would think
if they looked at how you posted public obscenity for
over a year (and bragged about it), called an elderly woman
a (c-word) over and over again, harassed people at length, etc.

Kane wrote Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
alt.support.child-protective-services, alt.parenting.spanking,
alt.support.foster-parents
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state
had not right to intervene in the parents business when
the parents had their children hung up in church and
beat naked with various objects, they though I was far too kind.

And just to clear up a few of the disinformation -

Two children were found to have marks from their spanking. Pastor Allen and
several congregation members went to jail. Allen got 90 days + 10yrs
probation.- the rest less.

The children were held, not hung.

They were not naked.

The 'hung from rafters naked' lie came from Yavonne the rabid koo-koo witch
who would kill 1000 kids to keep one from being spanked. lol. Yavonne and
Don were attacking Fern like two rabid hyenas, and figured a few false
accusations and lies would turn the table in their favor, as Fern was calmly
kicking their stupid asses. lol.

Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
Prove they didn't beat the children and that Fern didn't defend this
pack of sick wallowing baby beaters, you sick ****.

The whole rant below is a crock of horse ****. Not a soul here is
unaware of Fern's nitwittery in posting. The off topic, the CPS
UNmandates she she demanded. The blaming of CPS for everything from the
potato blight to marital discord in immigrant families...there just
didnt' seem to be anything the nutcase wouldn't lay on CPS.

She was the worst thing to ever happen to both true and phony CPS
reformers...just too off the wall even for the most rabid ranters.

She actually minimize, with what appeared to be happy lilting in her
prose, the poisoning of a baby by the mother using the mother's meds to
quite the baby.

Instead of clearly identifying it as MURDER, infanticide, she launched
into a mini lecture on how in the 1800s various patent medicines with
opiates were common and commonly used on babies....never thinking that
the times had one hell of a lot of infant deaths.

It looked like she was writing, "lah lay lay, lah tee dah." Not a brain
in her head.


Rabid hysterical language painting with a broad brush.
Kane is an atheist and this took place in a church.
Kane is a singularly fanatic crusader for anti-spanking.

Are you really suggesting I attacked the beating of children in church
because it was a church? And not because it was beating of children?

What a nitwit YOU are.

You ever see me minimize the beating of children by anyone, any class?
If so put it up here. I'm curious to see if I've lost my mind. I would
not forget that.


For Kane it is "ethical and moral" to swear and lie
about opponents.

Absol****inlootilly, and I do not lie about opponents. Show posts were I
lie about opponents. Go for it stupid.

Kane has made false claims about Fern.

Not once, ever.

It's all documented and far more of it than I could possibly repost.


Asked for links to her offending remarks he CAN NOT.

Odd, I posted them. Why would you lie about that?

Links to Mapquest and links to Kane's old
remarks about Fern DO NOT prove that Fern
defended abuse in the way Kane has asserted.

I found and replaced the dead links...dried up tinyURLS that they were.

You read it.

When it's obvious that he cannot provide a link
to Fern saying such things, Kane then postures
that others cannot PROVE that she did not!

Yet you now ignore that I did so post those links corrections. Have you
completely given up on ethics Greg?

Fern complained about CPS violating the constitution
because Mr. Bond had been marked on the registry
as a child abuser with NO NOTICE.

She did not mention the beatings. She was defending the beater, rightly
or wrongly treated by CPS, no mention of the beating is a chilling
reminder of where Fern was always coming from in her later years.

Children are NOT allowed to have protection against abusive parents. The
sum of her accumulated postings.

Fern complained about CPS violating the constitution
because CPS used the entire church directory
to target families for investigation.

Another avoidance of the issue of the beatings. Argue about something
other than the offense to try and minimize the impact of the crime.

Common in courtrooms across the land, and very much so here for
weaseling dodgers...you among others.

Kane feels no obligation to social graces. Fern does.

Fern had many posts that were vicious diatribes and false accusations
against other posters. You just don't want to see it.

Kane referred to her over and over again as a smelly [c-word].

How many times total? Link to them.

How many directly to her? Link to them (it, actually).

I want people to see for themselves, and judge for themselves if what
she advocated for deserved to be ignored, or attacked strongly.

Go for it, liar.

As if all of that is now LOW ENOUGH, there
is the simple fact that Kane seizes this sort of opportunity
whenever any opponent leaves.

There are dozens of opponents that have left here I've never mentioned
again unless they were relevant to the arguments. Say pointing out
comparisons to you.

Fern moved on to more productive persuits many months ago.

Feb 7th to be more precise, as I recall.

And I'll just bet. Has she taken up the cause of say The Pearls and
their baby switching on the hand parenting guides.

So WHY does Kane keep repeating her name over and over?

Because you provoke it and defend her.

Don't you wish to defend her? You seem to.

Here's the sequence of events that brought Fern's name into this, Greg.

YOU decided that the use of nyms and the anonimity provided was somehow
sinister. I brought up a list of names of anonymous posters that made a
regular habit of attacks on other posters, and outrageous claims not
supported by evidence even when requested.

Fern was one of those.

I pointed out that Fern had never answered for her support of the church
that beat children.

Now you are off on a "prove it" which I did so many times in the past,
and you KNOW that.

Your "prove it" isn't an honest request for information, because YOU
know, and everyone here with a working brain knows that's all been
covered before.

You simply ran a dodge, a Doananation and are milking it for all it's
worth.

You are lying sick little piece of roadside ****, Greg.

My comments about Fern were MORE than deserved. She advocated constantly
for parents against children.

That parents had more rights. That any intervention was suspect on it's
face without merit.

A flat out lie, of course.

One that if followed out and acted upon would kill children.

Until YOU and our bull**** buddies come up with something better, CPS is
all there is that stands between children and parent abuse of
them...well, CPS, and LE for the more serious offenses, cops too often
come to too late.

**** off liar, dodger, harasser, fraudulent accuser.

Now, get back to your claim Dan is a felon.

Prove it.

Or admit you are harassing because YOU got caught jackin' off over some
poor family you told to go to court and expose in court they had
committed a crime as a way to win the case against CPS and get the
children back.

Come on Greg, you can't hide from this one forever. And it's just as
important, no more so in this venue, than the "lethal force question."

Admit you were wrong.

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WOW - 9kb of koo-koo whine and Don's delusions.

How do you CPS scum dream up these hilarious rants.

You got caught in a pack of lies falsely accusing folk.

So you puke out reams of bull**** to cloud the issue.

You CPS lowlife make me laugh. lol.

They weren't hung.

They weren't naked.

Their spankings weren't supported by Fern.

You're a typical CPS liar and false accuser.


"0:-" wrote in message
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
alt.support.child-protective-services, alt.parenting.spanking,
alt.support.foster-parents
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state had not right to
intervene in the parents business when the parents had their children
hung up in church and beat naked with various objects, they though
I was far too kind.

Greg wrote
You claimed you showed this post by Fern to your keepers.

Kane wrote
No I didn't. You are fantasizing again.

I have no "keepers."

Actually, your words above "they also saw her post" are crucial.

It's crucial to determine who "they" are and if the qualify as 'keepers'
of me.

Below is more information on the CONTEXT of those comnments.

Why did Kane claim this was "fantasizing"?

31 From: 0:- - Date: Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
Groups: alt.support.child-protective-services,
alt.parenting.spanking, alt.support.foster-parents

Kane wrote
My whole neighborhood, mostly retired military, many from my own field
of the profession, and many retired law enforcement, and my
brother-in-law, a retired U.S. Marshall, are watching all this with
great interest. My little sister, his wife, kind of dotes on me, so she
keeps him interested, if he weren't already.
...
Greg wrote
2. I wonder what all of these ""connected"" people would think
if they looked at how you posted public obscenity for
over a year (and bragged about it), called an elderly woman
a (c-word) over and over again, harassed people at length, etc.

Kane wrote Fri, Nov 17 2006 11:03 pm
alt.support.child-protective-services, alt.parenting.spanking,
alt.support.foster-parents
Considering they also saw her post claiming the state
had not right to intervene in the parents business when
the parents had their children hung up in church and
beat naked with various objects, they though I was far too kind.

I've seen nothing suggesting they are my "keepers," Greg?

You have this wonderfully fanciful delusional state you fall into whenever
you post here.

Maybe being dropped on your head from a great height as a baby is really a
creative imagination booster, eh?

Or weren't you? And are you sure?

As for the posts in question? Yes, they saw them.

They thought Fern was a nutcase too.

Are you still wanting to argue that Fern identified the beatings and was
against them while defending the very perps?

That requires a HUGE spectacle of writhing logical dissonance to carry
off, but you would be just the one to try.

Greg, if there was a little girl, and her mommy's boyfriend had taken to
be real handy when she was taking showers he ordered her to take as
"aversive motivation" or some such, and the little girls G'pa showed up
and socked the boyfriend in the face, would you say I was defending the
sock in the face if I said, "The grandpa was right?"

Now, same scenario.

If I said instead, 'Grandpa was justified, but NOT to doing any socking in
the face of the boyfriend," you see the difference?

I have NOT defended the socking. If I fail to say this latter, and ONLY
defend the g'pa, say against the police coming and a struggle ensuing,
then Greg, I have by default defended the action of the g'pa...the facial
application of knuckles to said boyfriend.

Would you not grasp that if say, you were that boyfriend?

Or say, the cops?

The cops almost always, for instance, put cuffs on the people on scene
that look most likely to have a strong reaction to them having to be there
and arrest people.

Yet Fern would blame the cops, and join happily in the show the perps and
the participants, children trained to and threatened most likely with lies
about CPS coming to torture them, act out and force the cops to use more
restraints.

As for the directory. If it was taken legally, a church director is NOT a
protected document.

Membership lists are carefully concealed by people that want to hide the
membership because they KNOW they cannot legally withhold them if taken by
warrant, or found in the course of a legal entry seeking membership.

If you have this case to cite where I am shown to be wrong, I'll happily
admit you were correct. Unlike you when you are wrong.

Now while you are here, wallowing around in any and everything possible to
avoid the inevitable.

Why did you harass Dan Sullivan with slanderous claims that he was a
felon? Why did you claim a "privacy" that did not and does not exist in
that newsgroup at the time of his quoting it? Why have you not responded
with a retraction or adequate argument to support your claims by PROOF?

If you continue to avoid facing up to this harassment, I SHALL HAVE TO
TAKE STEPS, MIND YOU.

Personally I love the Scottish Sword dance, though I need to replace my
tartans. Damned bloody expensive, let me tell you.

The 'English' side of my ancestry, is actually Highland.

Just a quarter or so, but the sound of the pipes has a profound effect on
me.

Now, get honest Greg, if you can.

1. - You have made a claim against Dan that you have not provided proof
for.

Yet YOU claim harassment, and Dennis the Sock hints around at legal
action.

You be damn sure to have a lawyer read ALL your posts before you set out
on that path, if that's your intent.

You are a thoroughgoing thug, bully, liar, and cheat, Greg.

And I have your posts to prove it.

You say Dan is a felon.

Do YOU have the posts to prove it?

If so, post them.

2. - How you doing on that first draft of a correction to the HWMC hearing
record into the congressional record that retracts your statement against
Iowa claiming they broke the law by not keeping to the federally mandated
guidelines for funding of X number of CPR offices throughout their various
districts?

Anything yet?

Why can't you produce it NOW before you have written it, like you want the
state of Iowa to produce it's budget for you before they have produced and
published it?

This is too funny, because we had this very same conversation about two
years ago, Dummy and you STILL can't remember that I told you, no one can
produce what's not produced yet, budget or pie.

****, what a feeb you are.

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