origins of polio

On Nov 24, 10:24 am, Vaccine-man wrote:
On Nov 24, 5:07 am, "JOHN" wrote:

"Vaccine-man" wrote in message

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On Nov 23, 2:45 pm, "JOHN" wrote:

http://www.whale.to/a/virus.html

Scudamore, you have heard of the Cutter Incident?

yes, one of your many vaccine disastershttp://www.whale.to/m/smallpox/disasters.html

Gee, John, I don't understand you. You say polio virus doesn't cause
polio, yet when it was inadvertantly injected into humans they get
polio. How can that be?

Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it won't
be too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from vaccines.

Yuri.

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On Nov 24, 5:07 am, "JOHN" wrote:
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On Nov 23, 2:45 pm, "JOHN" wrote:

http://www.whale.to/a/virus.html

Scudamore, you have heard of the Cutter Incident?

yes, one of your many vaccine
disastershttp://www.whale.to/m/smallpox/disasters.html

Gee, John, I don't understand you. You say polio virus doesn't cause
polio, yet when it was inadvertantly injected into humans they get
polio. How can that be?

Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it won't be
too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from vaccines.



Yuri.

On Nov 25, 7:46 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" wrote:

Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it won't be
too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from vaccines.

Yuri.

So why was it, then, that the only ones who got polio received
immunizations from the *improperly* inactivated Cutter vaccine (i.e.,
still contained infectious polio virus), while those who received the
*properly* inactivated Cutter vaccine did not get polio? The only
difference between the lots was that the one that caused polio didn't
have enough formalin in it. Everything else between the lots was
identical.

On Nov 25, 7:40 pm, wrote:
On Nov 23, 8:13 pm, (David Wright) wrote:

In the fraudulent "quotation."

The quotation is not fraudulent.

Yuri, can you provide the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech so that we
can all evaluate its context? I have searched Google and cannot locate
it. In fact, the only places that I do see this quotation are on
antivaccine web sites. Surely, in the interest of *honest discussion*
you can provide us the evidence we need to independently evaluate your
assertions.

Vaccine-man wrote:
On Nov 25, 7:46 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" wrote:

Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it won't be
too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from vaccines.

Yuri.

So why was it, then, that the only ones who got polio received
immunizations from the *improperly* inactivated Cutter vaccine (i.e.,
still contained infectious polio virus), while those who received the
*properly* inactivated Cutter vaccine did not get polio? The only
difference between the lots was that the one that caused polio didn't
have enough formalin in it. Everything else between the lots was
identical.

You are asking Yuri to think? Absurd.

wrote:
On Nov 23, 8:13 pm, (David Wright) wrote:
In article , wrote:

Anyone who's really interested in the history of polio, and how the
polio epidemics correlate with pesticide production, will do well to
read the following article by Jim West,



http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm
Polio was a new disease (which should already be quite suspicious),
What's suspicious is that polio is not a "new" disease. It was first
named in 1840 and is clearly much older. Certainly older than the
pesticide industry.

But the first polio epidemic was in 1887.

and it was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are
still quite prevalent, they are just given different
names/diagnoses. Polio vaccines didn't really help anyone, as
Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
In the fraudulent "quotation."

The quotation is not fraudulent.

When the only sources of the quote are anti-vac websites, and you refuse
to post the original in context, it is more likely to be fraudulent than
valid.


Except that the symptoms are not "still quite prevalent;"

Yes, they are still quite prevalent.

we aren't sticking people in iron lungs any
more, nor do you see all the kids with leg braces etc.

These were old treatments. Irrelevant.

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"May as well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a
doctor on the worth of vaccination." -- George Bernard Shaw

"Vaccine-man" wrote in message
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On Nov 25, 7:46 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" wrote:

Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it won't be
too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from vaccines.

Yuri.

So why was it, then, that the only ones who got polio received
immunizations from the *improperly* inactivated Cutter vaccine (i.e.,
still contained infectious polio virus), while those who received the
*properly* inactivated Cutter vaccine did not get polio? The only
difference between the lots was that the one that caused polio didn't
have enough formalin in it. Everything else between the lots was
identical.

Hmm... interesting. You cite a case of iatrogenic disease to prove the
validity of mainstream medicine?

I don't buy your account of the Cutter incident. The whole dirty business
stinks to high heaven. There's no silk purse in this sow's ear...

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

Believe it or not, but the American medical system is actually the leading
cause of death and injury! Total number of iatrogenic deaths in the US is
over 780,000 per year. This is equivalent to SIX JUMBO JETS falling out
of the sky each and every day. -- DEATH BY MEDICINE, 2004, by Carolyn
Dean, MD, ND, Martin Feldman, MD, Gary Null, PhD, Debora Rasio, MD.
http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html

"Vaccine-man" wrote in message
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On Nov 25, 7:40 pm, wrote:
On Nov 23, 8:13 pm, (David Wright) wrote:

In the fraudulent "quotation."

The quotation is not fraudulent.

Yuri, can you provide the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech so that we
can all evaluate its context? I have searched Google and cannot locate
it. In fact, the only places that I do see this quotation are on
antivaccine web sites. Surely, in the interest of *honest discussion*
you can provide us the evidence we need to independently evaluate your
assertions.

I don't have the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech.

Nevertheless, I'm not aware of a single case when a reputable alt site
posted a fake quote. Therefore, I give it a very high probability that this
particular quote from Dr. Sabin is valid.

How about this one from Dr Morris?

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children
does more harm than good." -- Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine
Control Officer, FDA.

Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
"Vaccine-man" wrote in message
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On Nov 25, 7:40 pm, wrote:
On Nov 23, 8:13 pm, (David Wright) wrote:
In the fraudulent "quotation."
The quotation is not fraudulent.
Yuri, can you provide the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech so that we
can all evaluate its context? I have searched Google and cannot locate
it. In fact, the only places that I do see this quotation are on
antivaccine web sites. Surely, in the interest of *honest discussion*
you can provide us the evidence we need to independently evaluate your
assertions.

I don't have the entire text of Dr. Sabin's speech.

Nevertheless, I'm not aware of a single case when a reputable alt site

I am not aware of any reputable alt sites!

Jeff

posted a fake quote. Therefore, I give it a very high probability that this
particular quote from Dr. Sabin is valid.

How about this one from Dr Morris?

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children
does more harm than good." -- Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine
Control Officer, FDA.

Vaccine-man wrote:

On Nov 25, 7:46 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" wrote:

Since polio is most likely just a form of chemical poisoning, it won't be
too surprising that the symptoms of polio may result from vaccines.

Yuri.

So why was it, then, that the only ones who got polio received
immunizations from the *improperly* inactivated Cutter vaccine (i.e.,
still contained infectious polio virus), while those who received the
*properly* inactivated Cutter vaccine did not get polio? The only
difference between the lots was that the one that caused polio didn't
have enough formalin in it. Everything else between the lots was
identical.

Because in alternative chemistry, less formalin means more chemicals.
Do you know that formalin, DDT and thimerosal molecules all contain
both hydrogen and carbon? So does cyanide (which is a poison unless it
is called Vitamin B17).

Bloody hell - the laboratory name, Cutter, even starts with the
symbols for carbon and uranium. Isn't that enough of a clue?
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