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Peds want soda ban
"JG" wrote in message t... "Roger Schlafly" wrote in message t... "JG" wrote Straw man. I don't think it's anyone's, or any group's (private or public), right to tell individuals *who pose no threat to others* how to live their lives... Maybe the butterballs are drinking the diet sodas, and the skinny kids are drinking the sugared sodas. Both will lose under the new policy of banning soda. The "science" behind studies proclaiming that soft drinks are "bad" should have even Utz shaking his head. See "Hop on Pop: How soda is being attacked in the media," http://www.consumerfreedom.com/artic...?ARTICLE_ID=76 (almost three years old!) for details. Another good article, "Soft Drinks, Hard Bias," (also almost three years old) can be found at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,12315,00.html. I find these articles unconvincing. Adding 100 calories to a diet will add about 1 pound of fat on each month. The fact is that kids, today, are too fat and soda is a source of empty calories. I also find the Fox article where it says there is no relationship between soda consumption and obesity unconvincing. What that means is that fat kids don't drink any more soda than thin kids. It does not mean that soda consumption does not contribute to fat kids' obesity. Nor does it mean that fat kids won't benefit from not drinking soda. In fact, if a fat person who is not gaining weight reduces his consumption by 100 calories per day, he will loose about 1 pound per month. I have yet to see the arguement that juice or soda (you guys hit the nail on the head when you said that the nutritional value of juice is about the same as soda) is a necessary part of the diet. If parents want to send soda to school with their kids (and save money, because the cost of soda in the grocery store is almost always cheaper than the price in school, I think), that's fine. But I think it makes good sense to let the parent make the choice. Jeff Jeff There isn't even much nutritional difference between sugared soda and fruit juice. If calcium were really the concern, the school could hand out calcium pills. |
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Peds want soda ban
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message news "Elizabeth Reid" wrote It may evolve into schools being charged with the task of seeing that kids slim down, but it doesn't seem crazy to start with not allowing schools to fatten kids up for cash. If slimming down is really the objective, then the peds/nannies could advocate just putting diet sodas in the vending machines. Milk, soda, and fruit juice can all be equally fattening -- why single out soda? Perhaps Peds should do more to get effective physical education in schools as well. Clearly, the AAP had suggested that PE should be part of every school day. Perhaps they should push for this as well. The difference, of course, is that you can remove a soda machine from school easily; you can't add a gym easily, especially in poor elementary schools in ubran areas where land is expensive and money hard to come by. Jeff (...) |
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Peds want soda ban
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message t... "Jeff" wrote I think water is more nutritious than soda because it doesn't have hundreds of empty calories. Too bad they don't teach nutrition in medical school. They do. There is no nutritional value to soda. Just sugar. Jeff |
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Peds want soda ban
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et...
If slimming down is really the objective, then the peds/nannies could advocate just putting diet sodas in the vending machines. Milk, soda, and fruit juice can all be equally fattening -- why single out soda? I knew it had to happen someday - I agree with you. Actually, I half-agree. I agree that replacing soda with fruit juice is pointless, since fruit juice is equally sugary and if it's the kind of 'fruit juice' that kids love such as Snapple it might even be more caloric than the soda. I tend to think that milk isn't as much of a problem. Since it contains both fat and protein, it's probably much more filling than sugar water, so I have more trouble picturing kids gulping down much more than they need. Trying to ban soda on the pretense of fighting obesity is indeed an example of a larger problem. Carbonation does not cause obesity. The peds either need to learn some basic science, or they are trying to advance a political agenda on a medical pretense. If I'm reading the articles right, calling it a 'ban on soda' isn't really accurate. It's a ban on selling soda in schools. I don't think (although I welcome correction) that anyone has suggested that kids be banned from bringing whatever drinks they want to school with them. There's just no need for schools to offer an unlimited supply of sugar water at a profit. Beth |
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Peds want soda ban
"Jeff" wrote:
I think water is more nutritious than soda because it doesn't have hundreds of empty calories. Too bad they don't teach nutrition in medical school. They do. There is no nutritional value to soda. Just sugar. You prove my point. Sugar is a nutrient. |
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Peds want soda ban
"Jeff" wrote
course, is that you can remove a soda machine from school easily; you can't add a gym easily, especially in poor elementary schools in ubran areas where land is expensive and money hard to come by. Many schools are eliminating PE and recess, even tho they have the facilities. |
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Peds want soda ban
"JG" wrote in message t... Schools (administrators, faculty), generally speaking, are failing at the *one* task with which few would disagree they're charged: educating our youth. (I'd settle for simply producing a literate populace; "education," IMO, is a personal endeavor.) We (society) have already added students' mental/psychological well-being to list of things we expect schools to achieve/ensure, and now, apparently, the APA wants to charge schools with the task of seeing that kids slim down by (initially)--tada!--banning the sale of soft drinks. Is this really a new charge? Physical education and hygiene classes have been mandated for quite some time. besides, does removing the vending machines in soe way distract or detract fromt he schools mission to educate? APA wouldn't prefer that schools totally ban "unhealthy" foods/beverages from campuses? ("This school is a 'junk food'-free zone.") Would is be so bad if they did? Weight (obesity) is a *private* issue; the gubmnt's only basis/rationale for intervention in this arena is the claim that weight-induced health problems (diabetes, cardiovascular disease, etc.) among those receiving public assistance (Medicaid, Medicare) impose a financial burden on taxpayers. (This is a separate subject open to debate. Perhaps public assistance recipients who have a weight-induced disease will die younger because of it, thus potentially saving "us" $$$ in the long run.) All that is well and good but really a nonsequitur to the issue of whether the school should be able to remove the vending machines. The AAP is asking the schools to do this voluntarily. Surelyyou do not claim that the school is obligated to keep them or that they should shy away from simple measures that might help the well being of the students. At any rate, gubmnt health programs should never have been instituted in the first place. (Anyone care to cite just where in the Constitution "public assistance"--publicly funded assistance to *individuals*--is addressed?) The Constitution was never meant to be an exhaustive list. That is why the put in a process to pass further laws. Straw man. I don't think it's anyone's, or any group's (private or public), right to tell individuals *who pose no threat to others* how to live their lives (let alone force them adhere to arbitrary dictates!)-- do you? Each "individual butterball" must live, or die, by his/her choices. The gubmnt (and food manufacturers/distributors, including schools) hasn't made anyone fat; it's not its responsibility to make anyone healthy, either. No, but it does not mean that they should sell the kids the stuff or that they shouldn't decide not to. -- CBI, MD |
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Peds want soda ban
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message news "Elizabeth Reid" wrote It may evolve into schools being charged with the task of seeing that kids slim down, but it doesn't seem crazy to start with not allowing schools to fatten kids up for cash. If slimming down is really the objective, then the peds/nannies could advocate just putting diet sodas in the vending machines. Milk, soda, and fruit juice can all be equally fattening -- why single out soda? I'm with you on the juice part. I would argue that skim milk and water would be good choices. if the kids can't live with eitherof those they are always free to bring in other things. -- CBI, MD |
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Peds want soda ban
"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message t... "Jeff" wrote: I think water is more nutritious than soda because it doesn't have hundreds of empty calories. Too bad they don't teach nutrition in medical school. They do. There is no nutritional value to soda. Just sugar. You prove my point. Sugar is a nutrient. Yes, but it would only be of any value to someone who is calorie deficient. -- CBI, MD |
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Peds want soda ban
"Jeff" wrote in message ...
I have yet to see the arguement that juice or soda (you guys hit the nail on the head when you said that the nutritional value of juice is about the same as soda) is a necessary part of the diet. I thought juice contained more vitamins and other nutritional content than sodas. When you discuss the nutritional value of juice, are you talking about the non-carbonated commercially available drinks such as 'Tropicana Twister' or 'Juicy Juice' which are essentially juice-flavored sugar water? Are fresh-squeezed orange juice and grapefruit juice with nothing added (favorites of mine) equally poor beverage choices? I though they were nearly as nutritious as eating the entire fruit (minus peel of course). Thanks. |
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