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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
"nimue" wrote in message ... Have you heard of a little thing called NCLB that rules our lives? NCLB has forced teachers to do their own god damn dirty work. In order to meet the numbers teachers are ... Fabricating tales about pupils to get them removed from their classrooms and placed in SPED. Framing pupils for crimes they didn't commit to have students removed from the classroom and incarcerated in juvenile detention facilities. Bullying pupils into dropping out and/or committing suicide. etc! |
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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
"toto" wrote in message news On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:31:57 GMT, "toypup" wrote: Who cares? What matters is what they learn, and even more important, what they understand. I have to agree here. I did not always show up to class in college. As long as I understood the material, I was fine studying at home. If I was having difficulty, then I would attend class to help clarify the material. I would like to see high schools allowing this, but because they are set up to be *in loco parentis,* they really cannot do so. By the teenage years, we should be giving students more and more freedom to actually learn with or without being *in* the classroom. Most high school kids will not learn without being in class, but we really can't compel them to learn even if they are in their seats. What is needed is an intrinsic motivation toward learning. -- Dorothy As you are well aware, the school is not set up for learning. It is set up for getting good grades. It is set up for spitting back the correct information at the correct time, most often in a very simplistic format. Part of this is the system which does not give teachers time or flexibility to encourage students to learn and think for themselves, as well as teachers and school based on students' test scores. Part of this is the teacher, who is only human and doesn't have enough time in the day to spend with each and every student to determine what they have learned, or to score tests that are composed of open-ended questions which require thought and logical reasoning. As long as the current system is in place, the motivation to learn purely for the joy of acquiring knowledge will be uncommon. |
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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
"nimue" wrote in message ... Herman Rubin wrote: In article , nimue wrote: Raving Beauty wrote: nimue wrote: toto wrote: I am a teacher and I can tell you that kids who get As usually do so because they love learning. Bull****. Getting straight A's necessitates one PLAY THE GAME What game? Doing all your homework? Why? The only legitimate purpose for homework is to help learn the material. If it is not needed for that, it should not be assigned. That's why it is assigned. It's called "spiraling" nowadays. Homework can also be fun, believe it or not. Yes, homework can be fun when it truly aids the student in learning and expands their knowledge. When homework becomes repetitive "busy work" that must be completed simply because it was assigned even though the student fully understands the assignment it is no longer fun. Likewise, when a student has several hours of homework on a daily basis, after spending 7-8 hours in school already, homework is no longer fun. |
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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
"nimue" wrote in message ... Raving wrote: nimue wrote: Oh, is English not your first language? ... My Bretagne born and educated French teacher claimed that I possessed a unique accent. Thus may help explain some things. ... In the US, we would just say "grade," not "Grade Score." Your use of capitals makes me wonder if you are German. Are you? No. eyf've ADHD and I'm a Canadian Cockney, I am. That may be what RB said, but it still bears no relation to what you said. Huh? Would you like to discuss RB's POV, further? No. === Ping: Raving Beauty === Enjoy the dialogue. Raving bows out ... Thus far, my calling Nimue on his/her bull**** has resulted in Nimue diagnosing me with a fictitious mental illness A second poster prescribing a lobotomy.. A third poster denying/devaluing my academic achievement and IQ. All of which PROVED my point---much better then I could have. |
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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
Linda Gore wrote:
A third poster denying/devaluing my academic achievement and IQ. Must not have been me. I wrote "... your posts do not provide very much support for the statements you made above", which is a night and day difference from what you're saying. I said your *posts* don't give much support for your claims -- nothing at all concerning your true academic achievement and IQ (other than I also made the obvious remark that making anonymous "vague and non-specific claims" in a usenet post carries no weight). By the way, it's ROFLMAO, not ROFLMOA (http://tinyurl.com/e4ute). Dave L. Renfro |
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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
"Dave L. Renfro" wrote in message ups.com... Linda Gore wrote: A third poster denying/devaluing my academic achievement and IQ. Must not have been me. I wrote "... your posts do not provide very much support for the statements you made above", which is a night and day difference from what you're saying. I said your *posts* don't give much support for your claims -- nothing at all concerning your true academic achievement and IQ (other than I also made the obvious remark that making anonymous "vague and non-specific claims" in a usenet post carries no weight). Go to hell. |
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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
R. Steve Walz wrote:
snip -------------------------------- The hatred of teachers for what they have perpetrated Wow. Look at that rage. cannot be minimized or argued out of existence by the pretense that lots of people just don't want to learn because it's HAAAARD! Teachers are hated for good reasons. Again. Man, you are frothing-at-the-mouth furious with teachers. If you say can't think of any you're just pretending. You hate teachers. I don't. I have had wonderful teachers and terrible teachers, just as I have had wonderful neighbors and terrible neighbors, doctors, accountants, waiters, etc. That's how it is. However, since you are convinced that all teachers are terrible, beyond terrible, really, there is no point in arguing with you. You won't listen to reason. Steve -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
"nimue" wrote in message ... R. Steve Walz wrote: snip -------------------------------- The hatred of teachers for what they have perpetrated Wow. Look at that rage. cannot be minimized or argued out of existence by the pretense that lots of people just don't want to learn because it's HAAAARD! Teachers are hated for good reasons. Again. Man, you are frothing-at-the-mouth furious with teachers. You say that AS IF hatred isn't a feeling that hate-ridden teachers pass onto their students. |
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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
"Linda Gore" wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" wrote in message .. . Admittedly, not everyone can manage this, but we should be creating more opportunities for people to follow their true dreams, imo. While I have some sympathy, the public schools are set up to train kids the way the public wants them to be trained. so why pretend you are teachers, I don't pretend I am a teacher, and never have. I am a parent, and I don't need to pretend that. when any teaching that takes place is incidental to the real objective: breaking children. If by "breaking children", you mean "civilizing children", then that is one objective. (It is also the objective of most parents, but there are apparently some exceptions.) There are many objectives for the public schools, some of which are conflicting. That's life. They who pay the piper call the many tunes. You are free to pay for your own alternative. lojbab |
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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills
In article ,
Bob LeChevalier wrote: (Herman Rubin) wrote: That is what we have to do; separate school from state, Easy to do. Just send your kid to private school (with private and not state money). Fine. Let the state not tax for bad schools which indoctrinate more than they educate. -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |
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