Driving speed child seatbelt violation $430 ??

: But he gave me a written warning for
: not wearing my seat belt. (!) -Dave
:
: This happened to me. I took my seatbelt off to get my registration and
the
: cop was going to write me up for not having a seatbelt on. I told him he
: could write me up for speeding but not for the seatbelt. I always have it
: on and I only took it off to get the registration when he asked for it at
my
: window. He was standing right there when I took it off, though it was
dark.
: Anyway, I now know to keep it on and make a point of taking it off if it
: ever happens again.


That sucks! He probably didn't see you take it off. My husband has shared
the many rules for "making a cop comfortable when you get pulled over" (he
has talked his way out of more tickets than I've ever even gotten, and I
have a few of them!). One of those is, never remove your seatbelt until the
cop asks for your registration, and when s/he does ask, tell her that you're
going to remove your seatbelt and open the glove compartment, okay? (Other
tips, if anyone's interested: When you get pulled over, roll your window
down about 1/3 of the way, and keep both hands on the steering wheel as s/he
approaches your car. Nothing's scarier to a cop than a person whose hands
they can't see.)
--
ColoradoSkiBum

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:37:38 -0600, toto
wrote:

If you get in an accident and the child needs to get out of the car
fast, I hope he doesn't wait for you to tell him its ok especially if
you have been knocked unconscious.

The problem with hard and fast rules and obedience is that the
child doesn't learn how to judge when things are ok to do. And
the problem with punishment, especially harsh punishments is
that you will be teaching unintended lessons you don't want to
teach.

So it's better to have your child willing to unbelt themselves while
you're on the highway? Wow, great attitude! Even my four year old
knows better than that.
--
Brandon Sommerville
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Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.

: That's not what she said.
: Read the second paragraph again.
: I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
: punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
: emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
: If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
: told him to.

I think you need to give kids a little more credit than that. You're being
unreasonable. That's like saying, mommy and daddy told me to go to bed, now
the house is on fire but I can't get out of bed. What a crock!
--
ColoradoSkiBum

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:05:08 GMT, Brandon Sommerville
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:37:38 -0600, toto
wrote:

If you get in an accident and the child needs to get out of the car
fast, I hope he doesn't wait for you to tell him its ok especially if
you have been knocked unconscious.

The problem with hard and fast rules and obedience is that the
child doesn't learn how to judge when things are ok to do. And
the problem with punishment, especially harsh punishments is
that you will be teaching unintended lessons you don't want to
teach.

So it's better to have your child willing to unbelt themselves while
you're on the highway?

The child did not unbelt themselves when they were on the highway,
but after the car had stopped.

Wow, great attitude! Even my four year old knows better than that.

The child unbelted his seatbelt after the car was stopped. A three
year old knows the difference between when the car has stopped
and when it is moving.

Mine knew that we were not going anywhere until they got they
were in their carseats and had their seatbelts on very early because
if they unbelted while we were moving we stopped the car and
didn't go again until they were seat belted. No punishment was
necessary, that was enough.

They also knew that when we arrived they could unbelt themselves
or wait for us to do it. It was unnecessary to punish them for
taking belts off since they learned quite quickly that the car didn't
move unless everyone in the car had their seatbelt on.

And they learned also to have good judgement about when to take
it off and when to leave it on.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:33:31 -0700, "ColoradoSkiBum"
wrote:

: That's not what she said.
: Read the second paragraph again.
: I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
: punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
: emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
: If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
: told him to.

I think you need to give kids a little more credit than that. You're being
unreasonable. That's like saying, mommy and daddy told me to go to bed, now
the house is on fire but I can't get out of bed. What a crock!

If the child is harshly punished for getting out of bed, this might
be the result. Two other possibilities may also result. The child
may enter a power struggle with you over this and continue not
to go to bed until the punishment escalates to the point where
he is injured or the child may learn to sneak out of bed when mom
and dad are no longer looking. Punishment teaches children
either to be cowed or to be rebellious or to be sneaky depending
upon their temperament. The harsher the punishment, the more
likely it is that the child's spirit will be broken, but children do
endure much and rebel against it.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

(nilanjan) wrote in message om...
In CA SF bay area :

I got cited for driving at approx 60 mph at a street with 50mph speed
limit.

Also I had my unruly 5 yr old kid in the backseat who had taken the
seatbelt off after I was pulled over by the police officer.

The officer cited me (1)22350 CVC for speed and (2) 27360.5 CVC for
Seatbelt.
I got a notice in the mail to pay a bail of $427.75.

I think this is very high ! Any pointers / ideas on why this amount is
so high and how can I get a break up of the amount ?

I havent been able to get details over phone and am planning to go to
the traffic court to find out more.

Thanks in advance ...

CA has a MINIMUM moving violation ticket price of $271 (or 273, I
can't recall which). Since you have two such violations, I think you
got of pretty light as your amount could be well over $500.

My feeling is, if you don't want to pay the price of a moving
violation, don't speed. It's really pretty simple. I learned how to
drive in SoCal, and learned early on that following the rules of the
road in CA is a good thing. When I moved to another state, I got a bit
lax in my driving abilities, (and that's being kind) because I lived
in MA, where there is no such thing as a moving violation, and if you
do get one, it's a measly $20 fine. When I returned to CA I got a
ticket for going through a yellow light, and got that minimum fine
ticket. It was the only moving violation I've ever gotten in CA. Once
bitten, twice shy.

Marjorie

In article , Nan says...

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:04:25 -0800, Sloopy wrote:

In article ,
Nan wrote:

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:33:31 -0700, "ColoradoSkiBum"
wrote:

: That's not what she said.
: Read the second paragraph again.
: I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
: punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
: emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
: If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
: told him to.

I think you need to give kids a little more credit than that. You're being
unreasonable. That's like saying, mommy and daddy told me to go to bed, now
the house is on fire but I can't get out of bed. What a crock!

I don't think so. When there are absolutes, it isn't conducive to a
child learning how to use reasoning skills.

Your kid's IQ is about 76, isn't it?

Like mother, like child.

-Sloopy

It's your bedtime and your mommy needs you to shut off the computer.
Buh-bye

Nan



Seems to be a rule - every crossposted thread must include at least one poster
who posts like a scripted-response 'bot.

Banty

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:25:58 -0500, Nan

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:05:08 GMT, Brandon Sommerville
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:37:38 -0600, toto
wrote:

If you get in an accident and the child needs to get out of the car
fast, I hope he doesn't wait for you to tell him its ok especially if
you have been knocked unconscious.

The problem with hard and fast rules and obedience is that the
child doesn't learn how to judge when things are ok to do. And
the problem with punishment, especially harsh punishments is
that you will be teaching unintended lessons you don't want to
teach.

So it's better to have your child willing to unbelt themselves while
you're on the highway? Wow, great attitude! Even my four year old
knows better than that.

That's not what she said.
Read the second paragraph again.
I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
told him to.


Nothing like telling people how to raise their kids over the internet,
is there?

Nan

In article , Al Lewis says...



That's not what she said.
Read the second paragraph again.
I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
told him to.


Nothing like telling people how to raise their kids over the internet,
is there?

Nan


You might not be aware, Al, but this thread was cross-posted to misc.kids.
Internet (USENET, actually) discussion about raising kids is exactly what we're
about.

Cheers,
Banty

On 23 Nov 2003 05:36:03 -0800, Banty

In article , Al Lewis says...



That's not what she said.
Read the second paragraph again.
I could easily see a child who's been taught they will be "severely
punished" for removing a seatbelt, being reluctant to do so in an
emergency situation, therefore, coming to more potential harm.
If the car is wrecked, or on fire, the kid would remain, since mommy
told him to.


Nothing like telling people how to raise their kids over the internet,
is there?

Nan


You might not be aware, Al, but this thread was cross-posted to misc.kids.
Internet (USENET, actually) discussion about raising kids is exactly what we're
about.


Oh ****, so not only are people giving advice to others about raising
kids over the internet, but there are some out there who presumably are
taking it?

My advice to the ones taking it, would be that they shouldn't have kids
in the first place.

Cheers,
Banty