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Old February 10th 08, 03:48 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...1029/OPINION03

Re "Fall from truck brings charges for mom" (Monitor, Jan. 31): Doesn't
our school system use discretion in cases like this? Are they not
obliged to use common sense before jumping the gun and calling DCYF?

After they asked the child what had happened, why didn't they call the
parents? Was this child so badly mutilated that their first thought was
abuse?

She stood up in the back of a truck while it was moving and fell out.
Her mother did not push her out, which I would call abuse; she fell.

After DCYF closed the case, whose decision was it to press charges
against Jennifer? Isn't DCYF the agency that deals with child abuse?
Aren't they the people trained to detect and deal with child abuse?

I see no negligence on the part of the mother. How is she negligent or
responsible for the injuries her daughter received? It is common
practice for parents to pick up their kids at the bus stop and have them
ride in the back. We all learn at a very early age that if you stand up
when it's moving, you're gonna fall.

If parents were held responsible for all the foolish things our kids did
that resulted in injury, we would all be guilty of abuse or neglect.

Now I'm sure her kids are walking to and from the bus stop, which is a
lot more dangerous than getting a ride from Mom.

KELLEY SMITH

Canterbury



I don't believe it, someone with common sense!





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Old February 10th 08, 07:02 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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"Greegor" wrote in message
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http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...WS01/801310328

Fall from truck brings charges for mom
By SHIRA SCHOENBERG Monitor staff
January 31. 2008 12:35AM

A Webster [ Massachusets ] woman is accused of putting her children in
the back of a pickup truck and accelerating quickly up her driveway,
causing one to fall out.

Jennifer Bartlett, 34, of 309 Tyler Road, will go to trial next week
on two counts of endangering the welfare of a child and two counts of
reckless conduct. If convicted, she faces up to a year in jail and a
$2,000 fine on each of the charges, all of which are misdemeanors.

Bartlett's attorney, Paul Maggiotto, said his client did nothing
negligent. "I don't think the police did sufficient investigation to
substantiate the fact that having someone in the back of a pickup
truck on someone's property is enough to charge her with reckless
driving," he said. Bartlett could not be reached.

According to complaints, the incident happened at 3 p.m. Sept. 17.
Bartlett was driving with her two children - a boy, now 8, and a girl,
now 6 - in the back of the truck. The charges say the children were in
the enclosed bed of a pickup truck. When Bartlett accelerated, the
girl fell out and was injured. Webster Police Lt. Philip Mitchell said
the tailgate was likely down, which is how she fell out.

Maggiotto said the girl got a bump on her head, and Mitchell, who is
prosecuting the case, said she suffered "bumps and bruises on the
face."

According to Maggiotto, the girl went to school the next day and was
asked how she got the bump. When she said she fell out of the back of
a pickup truck, the school called the police and the state's Division
for Children, Youth and Families. A DCYF investigation was closed
without finding any problems, Maggiotto said. DCYF could not confirm
whether it had investigated, because of confidentiality regulations.

Bartlett was arrested Sept. 18 and released on $1,000 personal
recognizance bail. She waived her arraignment.

Mitchell said the acceleration was "part of a game, just a bit of a
'go faster' type of thing." He said Bartlett told the police that she
had done the same thing in the past.

Allegations that it was a game suggest comparisons to the case of
Nancy Lamprey, a Loudon baby sitter convicted of manslaughter after
purposely fishtailing her truck, resulting in the death of one child
and the injury of others.

Mitchell said the Lamprey case shows the dangers of driving
carelessly. "One, it's illegal. Two, it's dangerous because these kids
get hurt," he said.

But Maggiotto said there are clear differences. Bartlett did not act
intentionally, he said. She was simply driving the children 50 feet up
a driveway from the bottom of the hill to the top. "That's something
the kids enjoyed," he said. "Rather than walk up to the top of the
hill, they would get a ride in their mother's pickup."

Maggiotto said it is unclear whether acceleration caused the accident.
"It's not sure what caused the child to fall out, whether she was
standing or whatever," he said. "She went about 50 feet on a driveway,
the little girl stood up and fell out the back of it. That's a dumb
thing to do, (Bartlett) won't do it again, but you've got to bring
criminal charges against her? . . . She's not a reckless or careless
driver that needs the weight of the state to come down on her."

Unlike the Lamprey case, Maggiotto said, "there was no intentional act
to zigzag on a public road to slosh the kids back and forth in the
back of pickup, nor did my client lie about it."

"To have it splashed in the papers (that) this is a case like Lamprey,
it bugs me she has to go through this," he said. "She's just a poor
woman. It could have happened to anyone who gives their kids a bit of
a ride on a pickup truck."

Bartlett's trial was scheduled for December but was continued after
the state subpoenaed her children. Maggiotto asked the court to
appoint a guardian or lawyer to represent the interests of the
children to determine whether they should be able to testify against
their mother. The trial is now scheduled for Tuesday in Franklin
District Court.

------ End of article
By SHIRA SCHOENBERG Monitor staff

Can a person break a traffic regulation on their own property?

Yes, it was stupid, and she was a bonehead to
do this with kids 5 and 7 years old (at the time).

Under the modern rules of what defines parental
negligence, this would qualify I think.

The person who wrote the opinion piece
clearly doesn't know all of the many new
accusations that parents live in fear of.

Spanking limits and boundaries
Medical Neglect (for second opinion??)
Vehicular safety with kids (child restraint, speeding, OWI,
violations)
Safety in the home environment
Kids getting out for a walk by themselves
Emotional Abuse accusations ( vague, immaterial, chores, homework )
Kids telling fairy tales for jealous or attention seeking reasons

And various others...


In my state it is illegal for a child to be in the bed of a pickup truck if
they are under the age of 16.
It is illegal for anyone, in South Dakota, to be unrestrained in a
vehicle...child or adult.
So....
?


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Old February 12th 08, 03:22 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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"Greegor" wrote in message
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http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...WS01/801310328

Fall from truck brings charges for mom
By SHIRA SCHOENBERG Monitor staff
January 31. 2008 12:35AM


A Webster [ Massachusets ] woman is accused of putting her children in
the back of a pickup truck and accelerating quickly up her driveway,
causing one to fall out.


Jennifer Bartlett, 34, of 309 Tyler Road, will go to trial next week
on two counts of endangering the welfare of a child and two counts of
reckless conduct. If convicted, she faces up to a year in jail and a
$2,000 fine on each of the charges, all of which are misdemeanors.


Bartlett's attorney, Paul Maggiotto, said his client did nothing
negligent. "I don't think the police did sufficient investigation to
substantiate the fact that having someone in the back of a pickup
truck on someone's property is enough to charge her with reckless
driving," he said. Bartlett could not be reached.


According to complaints, the incident happened at 3 p.m. Sept. 17.
Bartlett was driving with her two children - a boy, now 8, and a girl,
now 6 - in the back of the truck. The charges say the children were in
the enclosed bed of a pickup truck. When Bartlett accelerated, the
girl fell out and was injured. Webster Police Lt. Philip Mitchell said
the tailgate was likely down, which is how she fell out.


Maggiotto said the girl got a bump on her head, and Mitchell, who is
prosecuting the case, said she suffered "bumps and bruises on the
face."


According to Maggiotto, the girl went to school the next day and was
asked how she got the bump. When she said she fell out of the back of
a pickup truck, the school called the police and the state's Division
for Children, Youth and Families. A DCYF investigation was closed
without finding any problems, Maggiotto said. DCYF could not confirm
whether it had investigated, because of confidentiality regulations.


Bartlett was arrested Sept. 18 and released on $1,000 personal
recognizance bail. She waived her arraignment.


Mitchell said the acceleration was "part of a game, just a bit of a
'go faster' type of thing." He said Bartlett told the police that she
had done the same thing in the past.


Allegations that it was a game suggest comparisons to the case of
Nancy Lamprey, a Loudon baby sitter convicted of manslaughter after
purposely fishtailing her truck, resulting in the death of one child
and the injury of others.


Mitchell said the Lamprey case shows the dangers of driving
carelessly. "One, it's illegal. Two, it's dangerous because these kids
get hurt," he said.


But Maggiotto said there are clear differences. Bartlett did not act
intentionally, he said. She was simply driving the children 50 feet up
a driveway from the bottom of the hill to the top. "That's something
the kids enjoyed," he said. "Rather than walk up to the top of the
hill, they would get a ride in their mother's pickup."


Maggiotto said it is unclear whether acceleration caused the accident.
"It's not sure what caused the child to fall out, whether she was
standing or whatever," he said. "She went about 50 feet on a driveway,
the little girl stood up and fell out the back of it. That's a dumb
thing to do, (Bartlett) won't do it again, but you've got to bring
criminal charges against her? . . . She's not a reckless or careless
driver that needs the weight of the state to come down on her."


Unlike the Lamprey case, Maggiotto said, "there was no intentional act
to zigzag on a public road to slosh the kids back and forth in the
back of pickup, nor did my client lie about it."


"To have it splashed in the papers (that) this is a case like Lamprey,
it bugs me she has to go through this," he said. "She's just a poor
woman. It could have happened to anyone who gives their kids a bit of
a ride on a pickup truck."


Bartlett's trial was scheduled for December but was continued after
the state subpoenaed her children. Maggiotto asked the court to
appoint a guardian or lawyer to represent the interests of the
children to determine whether they should be able to testify against
their mother. The trial is now scheduled for Tuesday in Franklin
District Court.


------ End of article
By SHIRA SCHOENBERG Monitor staff


Can a person break a traffic regulation on their own property?


Yes, it was stupid, and she was a bonehead to
do this with kids 5 and 7 years old (at the time).


Under the modern rules of what defines parental
negligence, this would qualify I think.


The person who wrote the opinion piece
clearly doesn't know all of the many new
accusations that parents live in fear of.


Spanking limits and boundaries
Medical Neglect (for second opinion??)
Vehicular safety with kids (child restraint, speeding, OWI,
violations)
Safety in the home environment
Kids getting out for a walk by themselves
Emotional Abuse accusations ( vague, immaterial, chores, homework )
Kids telling fairy tales for jealous or attention seeking reasons


And various others...



Betty wrote
In my state it is illegal for a child to be in the bed of a pickup truck
if
they are under the age of 16.
It is illegal for anyone, in South Dakota, to be unrestrained in a
vehicle...child or adult.
So....
?


Can traffic regulations be enforced on private property?


I would not know for absolute certain, but I could guess that they can.
I base this guess on the fact that store parking lots are considered private
property here, and police do enforce traffic laws on private parking lots.


 




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