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March 14th 05, 03:48 PM
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QUACK DISINFORMATION ABOUT MERCURY
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March 14th 05, 07:26 PM
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As you will see from elsewhere in the group, much of the mercury 'scientific
data' posted in here is far from reliable. We have seen many examples of un qualified whackos quoting each other, posting mis-quotes, highly selective quotes with caveats removed, quotes from widely debunked research, bogus references, frauds and the just plain stupidly wrong - mixed with good solid stuff. You cannot expect people to swallow flawed data & data sources and then say - it doesn't matter because they made their minds up, when they doubt the authenticity. The whole movement is taken as seriously as the UFO Angels lobby and with good reason Why cannot somebody compile a list of solid, up to date, unimpeachable studies and present that? I doubt if any dentist in here was consulted about mercury in vaccine so why that is posted in here, I have no idea. -- John Chewter http://www.keyneimage.co.uk "Jason" wrote in message ... IIena Rose, Thanks so much for digging up the data related to mercury from various sources. However, you should be aware that the people that believe that it is safe to include mercury in vaccines and dental fillings have made up their minds on this subject and won't accept or believe any data that supports an opposite of view. In other words, there attitude is--"Don't try to confuse me with the facts." I admit that I have this same point of view related to how I feel about mercury but it's now obvious that people that disagree with me will never admit that they also have this same point of view regarding their beliefs. In article , Ilena Rose wrote: Quack FLack and Disbarred NY Attorney Mark S Probert gave his typical disinformation: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:35:26 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark gave his ignorant Quack 'opinion' ... Remember, you cannot have an allergic reaction to Mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact Dermatitis. 1993 Nov;29(5):258-61. Related Articles, Links Comment in: Contact Dermatitis. 1994 Sep;31(3):206. Mercury allergy in a contact dermatitis clinic in Northern Ireland. Handley J, Todd D, Burrows D. Department of Dermatology, Royal Victoria Hospital, Belfast, N. Ireland, UK. 441 consecutive patients (294 female, 147 male) with suspected contact dermatitis were patch tested to the European standard series, mercury metal (1% pet), ammoniated mercury (1% pet.), and mercuric chloride (0.1% aq.). 14 patients (3.2%), 12 of whom were female, showed a positive response to 1 or more mercury compounds; none reacted to mercuric chloride alone. Primary sensitization was most likely due to either inoculation with vaccines containing merthiolate preservatives or amalgam dental restorations. Mercury allergy was of historical clinical relevance in only 2 patients, both women who developed gingivostomatitis following insertion of amalgam dental fillings. 1 of these women subsequently developed allergic contact dermatitis from contact lens solutions, shampoos and cosmetics which contained mercury preservatives. On the basis of these findings, we recommend patch testing with both metallic mercury and ammoniated mercury in patients with suspected mercury allergy. PMID: 8112066 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.
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March 14th 05, 08:07 PM
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Allergy/Hypersensitivity. Some authorities believe that mercury/silver fillings are not a problem except for the rare individual who is hypersensitive to mercury. (107) There is no scientific evidence to support this contention. However, assuming that it were true for the general public, it would also be true for dental personnel. A hypersensitive response is an abnormal immune reaction to an allergen. Mercury is an allergen. Numerous health problems have been related to allergic reactions to mercury. Idiosyncratic responses to metallic mercury have been documented since the last century. In 1943 Bass submitted a case report of urticaria response in a child after receiving dental amalgam fillings. (108) Also documented in the scientific literature are chronic atrophic dermatitis ,(109) contact dermatitis, (110,111,112,113) eczematous dermatitis ,(114) multiple polyposis (115) generalized allergic reactions 116,117,118,119) oral lichens planus (62% of those with lichens planus tested allergic) (120,121,122,123) chronic oral ulcerations ,(124) and burning mouth ..(125) Two studies have examined the risk of hypersensitivity to inorganic mercury in dental personnel. The first tests were by White and Brandt, who patch tested dental students with mercuric chloride and silver amalgam to determine their hypersensitivity.(126) As you can see by the table, freshmen tested lower than seniors in mercury hypersensitivity. The study concluded that exposure during training in dental school could lead to increased hypersensitivity response in students. First Year Student 2%. Second Year Student 4%. Third Year Student 11%. FourthYear Student 10%. A more recent study by Miller, et al. found an increase in hypersensitivity corresponding not with years in school, but rather with increasing number and age of the subjects' amalgam restorations. (127) Overall, they found an even greater percentage of the 171 dental student participants who tested allergic/hypersensitive to mercury. Miller's study considered freshmen dental students to be representative of the general public. He found that 31.4% of freshmen tested positive to mercuric chloride. Djerassi also tested for allergy and found that of those with amalgams, 16.1% tested allergic, whereas none of the 60 control subjects without amalgams tested allergic. (128) On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:48:56 -0600, Ilena Rose wrote: Quack FLack and Disbarred NY Attorney Mark S Probert gave his typical disinformation: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:35:26 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark gave his ignorant Quack 'opinion' ... Remember, you cannot have an allergic reaction to Mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact Dermatitis. 1993 Nov;29(5):258-61. Related Articles, Links Comment in: Contact Dermatitis. 1994 Sep;31(3):206. Mercury allergy in a contact dermatitis clinic in Northern Ireland. Handley J, Todd D, Burrows D. Department of Dermatology, Royal Victoria Hospital, Belfast, N. Ireland, UK. 441 consecutive patients (294 female, 147 male) with suspected contact dermatitis were patch tested to the European standard series, mercury metal (1% pet), ammoniated mercury (1% pet.), and mercuric chloride (0.1% aq.). 14 patients (3.2%), 12 of whom were female, showed a positive response to 1 or more mercury compounds; none reacted to mercuric chloride alone. Primary sensitization was most likely due to either inoculation with vaccines containing merthiolate preservatives or amalgam dental restorations. Mercury allergy was of historical clinical relevance in only 2 patients, both women who developed gingivostomatitis following insertion of amalgam dental fillings. 1 of these women subsequently developed allergic contact dermatitis from contact lens solutions, shampoos and cosmetics which contained mercury preservatives. On the basis of these findings, we recommend patch testing with both metallic mercury and ammoniated mercury in patients with suspected mercury allergy. PMID: 8112066 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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#5
March 14th 05, 08:23 PM
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"Jason" wrote in message ... IIena Rose, Thanks so much for digging up the data related to mercury from various sources. However, you should be aware that the people that believe that it is safe to include mercury in vaccines and dental fillings have made up their minds on this subject and won't accept or believe any data that supports an opposite of view. In other words, there attitude is--"Don't try to confuse me with the facts." Mark was wrong, and many skeptics could have told him he was wrong, and Mark himself will admit he was wrong once he has checked the facts. This is a phenomenon usually only seen in skeptics. The lies and misunderstandings of anti-amalgamists, anti-vaccination activists, and cancer quacks can be refuted daily and yet still be recycled over and over again. I will bet you any money you like that the wrong melting point of mercury will be requoted here without comment within the next six months. Peter Moran I admit that I have this same point of view related to how I feel about mercury but it's now obvious that people that disagree with me will never admit that they also have this same point of view regarding their beliefs. In article , Ilena Rose wrote: Quack FLack and Disbarred NY Attorney Mark S Probert gave his typical disinformation: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:35:26 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark gave his ignorant Quack 'opinion' ... Remember, you cannot have an allergic reaction to Mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact Dermatitis. 1993 Nov;29(5):258-61. Related Articles, Links Comment in: Contact Dermatitis. 1994 Sep;31(3):206. Mercury allergy in a contact dermatitis clinic in Northern Ireland. Handley J, Todd D, Burrows D. Department of Dermatology, Royal Victoria Hospital, Belfast, N. Ireland, UK. 441 consecutive patients (294 female, 147 male) with suspected contact dermatitis were patch tested to the European standard series, mercury metal (1% pet), ammoniated mercury (1% pet.), and mercuric chloride (0.1% aq.). 14 patients (3.2%), 12 of whom were female, showed a positive response to 1 or more mercury compounds; none reacted to mercuric chloride alone. Primary sensitization was most likely due to either inoculation with vaccines containing merthiolate preservatives or amalgam dental restorations. Mercury allergy was of historical clinical relevance in only 2 patients, both women who developed gingivostomatitis following insertion of amalgam dental fillings. 1 of these women subsequently developed allergic contact dermatitis from contact lens solutions, shampoos and cosmetics which contained mercury preservatives. On the basis of these findings, we recommend patch testing with both metallic mercury and ammoniated mercury in patients with suspected mercury allergy. PMID: 8112066 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.
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March 14th 05, 08:37 PM
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"Peter Moran" wrote in message ... "Jason" wrote in message ... IIena Rose, Thanks so much for digging up the data related to mercury from various sources. However, you should be aware that the people that believe that it is safe to include mercury in vaccines and dental fillings have made up their minds on this subject and won't accept or believe any data that supports an opposite of view. In other words, there attitude is--"Don't try to confuse me with the facts." Mark was wrong, and many skeptics could have told him he was wrong, and Mark himself will admit he was wrong once he has checked the facts. This is a phenomenon usually only seen in skeptics. This phenomenon is seen in scientists, too. Jeff
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March 14th 05, 09:17 PM
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Allergy/Hypersensitivity. Some authorities believe that mercury/silver fillings are not a problem except for the rare individual who is hypersensitive to mercury. (107) There is no scientific evidence to support this contention. However, assuming that it were true for the general public, it would also be true for dental personnel. A hypersensitive response is an abnormal immune reaction to an allergen. Mercury is an allergen. Numerous health problems have been related to allergic reactions to mercury. Idiosyncratic responses to metallic mercury have been documented since the last century. In 1943 Bass submitted a case report of urticaria response in a child after receiving dental amalgam fillings. (108) Also documented in the scientific literature are chronic atrophic dermatitis ,(109) contact dermatitis, (110,111,112,113) eczematous dermatitis ,(114) multiple polyposis (115) generalized allergic reactions 116,117,118,119) oral lichens planus (62% of those with lichens planus tested allergic) (120,121,122,123) chronic oral ulcerations ,(124) and burning mouth ..(125) Two studies have examined the risk of hypersensitivity to inorganic mercury in dental personnel. The first tests were by White and Brandt, who patch tested dental students with mercuric chloride and silver amalgam to determine their hypersensitivity.(126) As you can see by the table, freshmen tested lower than seniors in mercury hypersensitivity. The study concluded that exposure during training in dental school could lead to increased hypersensitivity response in students. First Year Student 2%. Second Year Student 4%. Third Year Student 11%. FourthYear Student 10%. A more recent study by Miller, et al. found an increase in hypersensitivity corresponding not with years in school, but rather with increasing number and age of the subjects' amalgam restorations. (127) Overall, they found an even greater percentage of the 171 dental student participants who tested allergic/hypersensitive to mercury. Miller's study considered freshmen dental students to be representative of the general public. He found that 31.4% of freshmen tested positive to mercuric chloride. Djerassi also tested for allergy and found that of those with amalgams, 16.1% tested allergic, whereas none of the 60 control subjects without amalgams tested allergic. (128) On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:48:56 -0600, Ilena Rose wrote: Quack FLack and Disbarred NY Attorney Mark S Probert gave his typical disinformation: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:35:26 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark gave his ignorant Quack 'opinion' ... Remember, you cannot have an allergic reaction to Mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact Dermatitis. 1993 Nov;29(5):258-61. Related Articles, Links Comment in: Contact Dermatitis. 1994 Sep;31(3):206. Mercury allergy in a contact dermatitis clinic in Northern Ireland. Handley J, Todd D, Burrows D. Department of Dermatology, Royal Victoria Hospital, Belfast, N. Ireland, UK. 441 consecutive patients (294 female, 147 male) with suspected contact dermatitis were patch tested to the European standard series, mercury metal (1% pet), ammoniated mercury (1% pet.), and mercuric chloride (0.1% aq.). 14 patients (3.2%), 12 of whom were female, showed a positive response to 1 or more mercury compounds; none reacted to mercuric chloride alone. Primary sensitization was most likely due to either inoculation with vaccines containing merthiolate preservatives or amalgam dental restorations. Mercury allergy was of historical clinical relevance in only 2 patients, both women who developed gingivostomatitis following insertion of amalgam dental fillings. 1 of these women subsequently developed allergic contact dermatitis from contact lens solutions, shampoos and cosmetics which contained mercury preservatives. On the basis of these findings, we recommend patch testing with both metallic mercury and ammoniated mercury in patients with suspected mercury allergy. PMID: 8112066 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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#8
March 14th 05, 09:18 PM
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"Jason" wrote in message ... IIena Rose, Thanks so much for digging up the data related to mercury from various sources. However, you should be aware that the people that believe that it is safe to include mercury in vaccines and dental fillings have made up their minds on this subject and won't accept or believe any data that supports an opposite of view. In other words, there attitude is--"Don't try to confuse me with the facts." Jason, you are full of ****. I have asked you dozens of times for some real evidence that there is a real danger, and instead of responding, you post this bull****. It is you, as you have admitted, that has made up their mind, and YOU refuse to accept any proof that the danger is way overstated. I admit that I have this same point of view related to how I feel about mercury but it's now obvious that people that disagree with me will never admit that they also have this same point of view regarding their beliefs. You do love to raise strawmen and project your closedmindedness on others. If you provide something that approaches real proof, post it. In article , Ilena Rose wrote: Quack FLack and Disbarred NY Attorney Mark S Probert gave his typical disinformation: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:35:26 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark gave his ignorant Quack 'opinion' ... Remember, you cannot have an allergic reaction to Mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact Dermatitis. 1993 Nov;29(5):258-61. Related Articles, Links Comment in: Contact Dermatitis. 1994 Sep;31(3):206. Mercury allergy in a contact dermatitis clinic in Northern Ireland. Handley J, Todd D, Burrows D. Department of Dermatology, Royal Victoria Hospital, Belfast, N. Ireland, UK. 441 consecutive patients (294 female, 147 male) with suspected contact dermatitis were patch tested to the European standard series, mercury metal (1% pet), ammoniated mercury (1% pet.), and mercuric chloride (0.1% aq.). 14 patients (3.2%), 12 of whom were female, showed a positive response to 1 or more mercury compounds; none reacted to mercuric chloride alone. Primary sensitization was most likely due to either inoculation with vaccines containing merthiolate preservatives or amalgam dental restorations. Mercury allergy was of historical clinical relevance in only 2 patients, both women who developed gingivostomatitis following insertion of amalgam dental fillings. 1 of these women subsequently developed allergic contact dermatitis from contact lens solutions, shampoos and cosmetics which contained mercury preservatives. On the basis of these findings, we recommend patch testing with both metallic mercury and ammoniated mercury in patients with suspected mercury allergy. PMID: 8112066 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.
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March 14th 05, 09:20 PM
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"Peter Moran" wrote in message ... "Jason" wrote in message ... IIena Rose, Thanks so much for digging up the data related to mercury from various sources. However, you should be aware that the people that believe that it is safe to include mercury in vaccines and dental fillings have made up their minds on this subject and won't accept or believe any data that supports an opposite of view. In other words, there attitude is--"Don't try to confuse me with the facts." Mark was wrong, and many skeptics could have told him he was wrong, and Mark himself will admit he was wrong once he has checked the facts. This is a phenomenon usually only seen in skeptics. You are quite correct and I posted, hours ago, that I sit corrected. Jason raises strawmen all the time. I expect Jason to appologize as much as I expect Rosenthal to do so. IOW, I am not holding my breath. The lies and misunderstandings of anti-amalgamists, anti-vaccination activists, and cancer quacks can be refuted daily and yet still be recycled over and over again. I will bet you any money you like that the wrong melting point of mercury will be requoted here without comment within the next six months. Peter Moran I admit that I have this same point of view related to how I feel about mercury but it's now obvious that people that disagree with me will never admit that they also have this same point of view regarding their beliefs. In article , Ilena Rose wrote: Quack FLack and Disbarred NY Attorney Mark S Probert gave his typical disinformation: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:35:26 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark gave his ignorant Quack 'opinion' ... Remember, you cannot have an allergic reaction to Mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact Dermatitis. 1993 Nov;29(5):258-61. Related Articles, Links Comment in: Contact Dermatitis. 1994 Sep;31(3):206. Mercury allergy in a contact dermatitis clinic in Northern Ireland. Handley J, Todd D, Burrows D. Department of Dermatology, Royal Victoria Hospital, Belfast, N. Ireland, UK. 441 consecutive patients (294 female, 147 male) with suspected contact dermatitis were patch tested to the European standard series, mercury metal (1% pet), ammoniated mercury (1% pet.), and mercuric chloride (0.1% aq.). 14 patients (3.2%), 12 of whom were female, showed a positive response to 1 or more mercury compounds; none reacted to mercuric chloride alone. Primary sensitization was most likely due to either inoculation with vaccines containing merthiolate preservatives or amalgam dental restorations. Mercury allergy was of historical clinical relevance in only 2 patients, both women who developed gingivostomatitis following insertion of amalgam dental fillings. 1 of these women subsequently developed allergic contact dermatitis from contact lens solutions, shampoos and cosmetics which contained mercury preservatives. On the basis of these findings, we recommend patch testing with both metallic mercury and ammoniated mercury in patients with suspected mercury allergy. PMID: 8112066 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.
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March 14th 05, 09:29 PM
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:18:48 -0500, "Mark Probert" Mark
wrote: If you provide something that approaches real proof, post it. LOL ... http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or....htm#DISBARRED
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