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Old November 3rd 10, 07:36 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
carole
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"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:27:05 -0400, in misc.health.alternative,
dr_jeff wrote:

On 11/2/10 2:04 PM, john wrote:
http://vimeo.com/14646626


A statement on a stupid video doesn't validate anything.


I watched about 5 minutes of the video.

Fallacies and out right falsehoods mingled freely with a few bits and
pieces are factual information. it was entertainment, but really.
anyone with a basic foundation of evidence based knowledge, would
have most likely got up and left before 5 minutes had been wasted.

There is no scientific basis explaining homeopathy and no scientific
evidence that homeopathy works.

That's why it is part of con-med - conjecture-based medicine, aka
alternative medicine.


I will go even one more, Homeopathy treatments and practice is a
criminal act of defrauding the patient and public. Its practitioners
should be treated as criminals.


Your bias and ignorance is showing.

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Old November 3rd 10, 07:48 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
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"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 11/2/10 7:26 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message news
http://vimeo.com/14646626


Homeopathy is what is known as a vibrational remedy. When the solution is shaken it separates the spirit
from the substance and it
is the spirit that becomes the active ingredient.
Spirit is behind all matter. Every substance, microbe, animal, plant and person has its own identity and
vibrates at its own
frequency. Hence the Rife cures where he identified the frequencies of different disease microbes and was
able to knock them out.



Are you serious? A solution has a spirit? Are you taking this as if it is for real? This is total crap.


Are you serious that allopathic medicine and vaccinations are the be-all and end-all of what is best?
Why then is allopathic medicine listed as the number 1 killer in the US?
Can you explain that without rationalising?


If you think this is real, then you probably had too many spirits: The ones that come out bottles and are
available in glasses at bars. Either that or you are completely clueless.


You are gullible and believe all the allopathic propaganda without question.

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Old November 3rd 10, 11:26 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
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On 11/2/10 10:10 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ...
On 11/2/10 7:26 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message news http://vimeo.com/14646626


Homeopathy is what is known as a vibrational remedy. When the solution is shaken it separates the spirit
from the substance and it
is the spirit that becomes the active ingredient.
Spirit is behind all matter. Every substance, microbe, animal, plant and person has its own identity and
vibrates at its own
frequency. Hence the Rife cures where he identified the frequencies of different disease microbes and was
able to knock them out.



Are you serious? A solution has a spirit? Are you taking this as if it is for real? This is total crap.

If you think this is real, then you probably had too many spirits: The ones that come out bottles and are
available in glasses at bars. Either that or you are completely clueless.

Jeff



Some Theoretical Groundwork to Understand Homeopathy and "Energy Medicine"
http://www.naturalworldhealing.com/h...ergytheory.htm

Disruptive vibrations and an unexpected danger:
Further data about the homeopathic phenomenon is fascinating:
1. When the preparations are exposed to a strong electromagnet they seem to lose their ability to cause a
healing response.


Good excuse to explain why something didn't work.

2. When they are exposed to direct sunlight they lose the ability to evoke a healing response


Ditto

3. When some individuals sleep under electric blankets they have lost the benefits they had experienced from
taking a homeopathic medicine.


Ditto

4. When exposed to strong volatile oils the preparations lose their ability to evoke a healing response.


Ditto

5. A report by a homeopath in New York City is sobering: He studied the problems in behavior associated with
city living and considered the water supply as a source of destabilizing influence. He noted that as the water
flowed down from reservoirs, falling down pipes and vibrating around bends in the pipes there might be a
potentizing phenomenon on the chemicals in the water. One chemical added to the water was fluoride. Indeed,
the symptoms caused by fluorinum include many of the social problems seen in the city (unsociable behavior,
sexual over-excitement, mental exhaustion and fatigue, etc.). It was as if the entire city had been treated
with long-term exposure to the vibrational energy of fluoride. He found that prescribing homeopathic fluoric
acid helped a number of his patients. It acted almost like an antidote, or mirror image of the negative
influence from the vibrated fluoride water.


This last one was a treat! The big pipes are pretty much a straight shot
all the way from the reservoirs to the city. But there would be just as
many bends in the pipes where there are fewer social ills, like the
Upper West Side, Upper East Side and the nice parts of the Bronx,
Brooklyn and Staten Island as the parts with the most ills, like other
parts of the Bronx, Harlem, Brooklyn, and Queens. And, in areas where
there is gentrification (people who are better off socioeconomically
move into traditionally poor areas, driving the poor out), the new
people moving don't suddenly go nuts!

Thanks for the laughs! I needed them this morning!

Jeff


* * *

BBC Horizon homeopathy experiment
Pt 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZhmG97lYog
Pt 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jE3hT5lLwA Madeleine Ennis - vet uses homeopathy on animals with good
results.
Pt 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh0phYI3ROs Madeleine Ennis -
Pt 4 - Details of experiment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzO3A04cOis
Pt 5 - James Randi involvement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhSzOShJb2U

Maybe James Randi knows about the electromagnetic ability (No.1 above) to neutralise homeopathy, and passed
some sort of magnet over the samples in the homeopathy experiment.
After all, he is a magician and would know all the tricks of the trade --plus do you really think he would
want to part with 1 million dollars?

Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she found homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3.




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Old November 3rd 10, 11:30 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
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On 11/3/10 2:35 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message
4.39...


Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she found
homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3.


*facepalm*

I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude.


From you allopaths maybe with your bias against homeopathy and chiropractic.


Actually, it is bias against fiction.

The reason why we don't like homeopathy and chiropractic is that they
don't work and have no scientific basis to explain how they might work.
Come on, you really think people will think that water that's gone
through bends in the pipes is different than water that has gone through
fewer bends?

I have yet to see the headline: NYFD no longer allows fire hoses to go
around corners: Too many bends in the line! The water isn't wet enough
any more.

By the bends argument, then nothing would work in our bodies, because
the blood goes around so many bends in our bodies when it carries stuff
to different parts of our bodies.

Jeff
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Old November 3rd 10, 11:31 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
dr_jeff
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Default Water has memory, validating homeopathy

On 11/3/10 2:36 AM, carole wrote:
"Bob Officer"-*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ...
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:27:05 -0400, in misc.health.alternative,
wrote:

On 11/2/10 2:04 PM, john wrote:
http://vimeo.com/14646626

A statement on a stupid video doesn't validate anything.


I watched about 5 minutes of the video.

Fallacies and out right falsehoods mingled freely with a few bits and
pieces are factual information. it was entertainment, but really.
anyone with a basic foundation of evidence based knowledge, would
have most likely got up and left before 5 minutes had been wasted.

There is no scientific basis explaining homeopathy and no scientific
evidence that homeopathy works.

That's why it is part of con-med - conjecture-based medicine, aka
alternative medicine.


I will go even one more, Homeopathy treatments and practice is a
criminal act of defrauding the patient and public. Its practitioners
should be treated as criminals.


Your bias and ignorance is showing.


Yes, a bias against treatments with no basis in scientific evidence, no
scientific rational and no evidence that they work. Making people pay
for these treatments is tantamount to theft.

Jeff

  #16  
Old November 3rd 10, 11:40 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
dr_jeff
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Default Water has memory, validating homeopathy

On 11/3/10 2:48 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ...
On 11/2/10 7:26 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message news http://vimeo.com/14646626


Homeopathy is what is known as a vibrational remedy. When the solution is shaken it separates the spirit
from the substance and it
is the spirit that becomes the active ingredient.
Spirit is behind all matter. Every substance, microbe, animal, plant and person has its own identity and
vibrates at its own
frequency. Hence the Rife cures where he identified the frequencies of different disease microbes and was
able to knock them out.



Are you serious? A solution has a spirit? Are you taking this as if it is for real? This is total crap.


Are you serious that allopathic medicine and vaccinations are the be-all and end-all of what is best?


Not in the least. The state of medicine today I hope is quite crude
compared to what the state of medicine will be in 20 or 30 years from
now. However, the way that medicine will get better is true rigorous
scientific testing as well as research and development.

Not through "vibrational energy."

Why then is allopathic medicine listed as the number 1 killer in the US?


Because people want to make it look bad. For example, the number of
deaths includes people who have a terminal illness and get surgery that
might cure the illness. If it doesn't, then the death will be added to
the list. For example, 30 years ago, the docs took out the gallbladder
on my 90 year old aunt. They figured they should try, because with her
gall bladder attack, she won't survive. Had she died, she would have
been listed as having died from surgery. Of course, she lived to be 106.

They also include deaths from bed sores and infections. Bed sores are
not examples of good medical care. And, infections happen at the end of
life.

Can you explain that without rationalising?


If you think this is real, then you probably had too many spirits: The ones that come out bottles and are
available in glasses at bars. Either that or you are completely clueless.


You are gullible and believe all the allopathic propaganda without question.


No I don't. I don't believe that drug companies act in the interest of
their patients. THey act in the interest of their stockholders. I have
been saying that for years.

Just listen to the Oct. 13, 2010 podcast of the Skeptics Guide to the
Universe. They had a guy on who showed the drug companies selectively
used data to show that a drug works, when it was not better than placebo.

Jeff

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Old November 3rd 10, 02:16 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
carole
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Default Water has memory, validating homeopathy


"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 11/3/10 2:36 AM, carole wrote:



I will go even one more, Homeopathy treatments and practice is a
criminal act of defrauding the patient and public. Its practitioners
should be treated as criminals.


Your bias and ignorance is showing.


Yes, a bias against treatments with no basis in scientific evidence, no scientific rational and no evidence
that they work. Making people pay for these treatments is tantamount to theft.

Jeff


Hey Dr Jeff, its not my fault that modern medicine has been engineered to only support pharmaceutical
solutions.
Homeopathy was seen as competition and had to go along with any other therapies that cut into market share.


The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire
The Drug Story - by Hans Ruesch
www.think-aboutit.com/health/TheDrugStory.htm

"The history of the how the Rockefellers and their stooges in the Food and Drug Administration, the US Public
Health Service, the Federal Trade Commission, the Better Business Bureau, the Army Medical Corps, the Navy
Bureau of Medicine and thousands of health officers all over the country, combined to put out of business all
forms of therapy that discourage the use of drugs. How the business with disease makes grants to medical
colleges in exchange for a curriculum that favours drug-based medicine.

"Is it any wonder, asked Bealle, that the Rockefellers and their stooges in the Food and Drug Administration,
the US Public Health Service, the Federal Trade Commission, the Better Business Bureau, the Army Medical
Corps, the Navy Bureau of Medicine and thousands of health officers all over the country, should combine to
put out of business all forms of therapy that discourage the use of drugs.

"The last annual report of the Rockefeller Foundation", reported Bealle, "itemizes the gifts it has made to
colleges and public agencies in the past 44 years [written in 1949?], and they total somewhat over half a
billion dollars. These colleges, of course, teach their students all the drug lore the Rockefeller
pharmaceutical houses want taught. Otherwise there would be no more gifts, just as there are no gifts to any
of the 30 odd colleges in the United States that don' t use therapies based on drugs.

"Harvard, with its well-publicized medical school, has received $8,764,433 of Rockefeller's Drug Trust money,
Yale got $7,927,800, Johns Hopkins $10,418,531, Washington University in St. Louis $2,842,132, New York's
Columbia University $5,424,371, Cornell University $1,709,072, etc., etc."

And while "giving away" those huge sums to drug-propagandizing colleges, the Rockefeller interests were
growing to a world-wide web that no one could entirely explore. Already well over 30 years ago it was large
enough for Bealle to demonstrate that the Rockefeller interests had created, built up and developed the most
far reaching industrial empire ever conceived in the mind of man. "

--
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Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22


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Old November 3rd 10, 02:18 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
carole
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Default Water has memory, validating homeopathy


"dr_jeff" wrote in message ...
On 11/3/10 2:35 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message
4.39...


Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she found
homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3.

*facepalm*

I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude.


From you allopaths maybe with your bias against homeopathy and chiropractic.


Actually, it is bias against fiction.

The reason why we don't like homeopathy and chiropractic is that they don't work and have no scientific
basis to explain how they might work.


But they do work.

Come on, you really think people will think that water that's gone through bends in the pipes is different
than water that has gone through fewer bends?


Don't know what bends has got to do with anything.
Who said anything about "bends"?


I have yet to see the headline: NYFD no longer allows fire hoses to go around corners: Too many bends in the
line! The water isn't wet enough any more.

By the bends argument, then nothing would work in our bodies, because the blood goes around so many bends in
our bodies when it carries stuff to different parts of our bodies.

Jeff



--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22



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Old November 3rd 10, 02:27 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
david
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Default Water has memory, validating homeopathy

On 11/3/2010 8:18 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ...
On 11/3/10 2:35 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message
4.39...


Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she found
homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3.

*facepalm*

I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude.

From you allopaths maybe with your bias against homeopathy and chiropractic.


Actually, it is bias against fiction.

The reason why we don't like homeopathy and chiropractic is that they don't work and have no scientific
basis to explain how they might work.


But they do work.

Come on, you really think people will think that water that's gone through bends in the pipes is different
than water that has gone through fewer bends?


Don't know what bends has got to do with anything.
Who said anything about "bends"?


I have yet to see the headline: NYFD no longer allows fire hoses to go around corners: Too many bends in the
line! The water isn't wet enough any more.

By the bends argument, then nothing would work in our bodies, because the blood goes around so many bends in
our bodies when it carries stuff to different parts of our bodies.

Jeff



Jeff, that is not bends, you just have gas from taking in too much hot
air. After a few farts, you will see much better.
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Old November 3rd 10, 03:23 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med
Peter Bowditch
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"carole" wrote:

Why then is allopathic medicine listed as the number 1 killer in the US?
Can you explain that without rationalising?


Easy.

Because it isn't.

Well it isn't the number 1 killer. It might be listed as such by liars
and ignorami like Gary Null, but that doesn't make it so.

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