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Gun safety/America (was: OT religion and smacking)
Cathy Weeks wrote:
Bruce and Jeanne wrote in message ... I don't buy that argument - it's specious. I don't know if she would have killed herself using a different method. (WHY do people make this argument - has this been proven somewhere?) I'm sorry you are hurting due to the loss of your friend. It truely is sad. But blaming guns makes little sense - it's like abusing the bearer of bad tidings. ???!!!! The gun is equivalent to a bearer of bad tidings??!! Sorry, that's just a bad analogy. Try another. BTW I don't blame the gun for my friend's death. But I do think she was very successful in her FIRST attempt because she used a gun. I also thought while people were saying they all taught children about gun safety, there's still an unintended consequence to guns in the house. Jeanne |
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OT religion and smacking
teapot wrote:
book her pastor had lent her. It said that you should smack but not with the hand as that is for love, but with a paddle. I called the NSPCC who said that there was nothing that can be done as she didnt know what the book was called and I couldnt remember what church she went to. They thought she may have mental health problems, she had 3 kids with her so that is so worrying. That's Dobson, the "Focus on the Family" guy. He says parents should spank with a paddle or a switch, not with the hand. Mary S. mom to the Sproutkin and a new wee babysprout, due October 1 |
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Chookie,
Most guns were made illegal in Australia a few years ago. Oddly enough, we aren't suffering from the levels of crime you would expect if the above statement were true! Hmmm. That is the opposite of what I heard a couple years ago, but I don't remember now my source. Do you know where to find violent crime statistics for the past 10 years or so in Australia? marvin Marvin L. Zinn Reply to: Using Virtual Access Windows 2000 build 2600 |
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Gun safety/America (was: OT religion and smacking)
Marvin L. Zinn wrote:
Chookie, Most guns were made illegal in Australia a few years ago. Oddly enough, we aren't suffering from the levels of crime you would expect if the above statement were true! Hmmm. That is the opposite of what I heard a couple years ago, but I don't remember now my source. Do you know where to find violent crime statistics for the past 10 years or so in Australia? marvin Marvin L. Zinn Reply to: Using Virtual Access Windows 2000 build 2600 http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir shows the top 100 countries in murders with firearms. The US is 4th with 8,259 in 1999. Australia is 21th with 59 in 2000. Canada is 12th with 165 murders in 1999. Jeanne |
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Gun safety/America (was: OT religion and smacking)
In article ,
Bruce and Jeanne wrote: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir shows the top 100 countries in murders with firearms. The US is 4th with 8,259 in 1999. Australia is 21th with 59 in 2000. Canada is 12th with 165 murders in 1999. The US is 0.03 per 1000. Australia is listed as 0 per 1000; probably this means 0.01. However, that's only murders. You would have to compare murders, suicides, robberies and assaults using firearms to get a better picture. Even before our gun laws were made REALLY hard to get, our gun crime was still mostly amongst organised criminals. What the tighter gun laws have done (IMHO) is stopped *nutter* gun murder-suicides, where a man shoots up a shopping centre or kills everyone in his family, then blows his own head off. -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Jeez; if only those Ancient Greek storytellers had known about the astonishing creature that is the *Usenet hydra*: you cut off one head, and *a stupider one* grows back..." -- MJ, cam.misc |
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