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Old May 24th 06, 01:22 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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"Vaccine-man" wrote in message
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It's simple chemistry, really. You *have* had chemistry, haven't you? I
mean, surely, you don't voice opinions on issues you know nothing
about, right?


you do http://www.whale.to/v/rapp.html


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Old May 24th 06, 01:56 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/v/rapp.html


"John Randall" doesn't exist. He's a fictitious character made up by
the anti-vac whackos.

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Old May 24th 06, 01:58 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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You titled this thread as "What is in those Vaccinations?????" Since
ethylene glycol is in some vaccines, I'd say it is the subject. Plus,
you're trying to obfuscate the facts, so I am compelled to correct you.

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Old May 24th 06, 02:14 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.health,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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Jan Drew wrote:
"Mark Probert" TELLING THE TRUTH AGAIN:
Jan Drew wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Ilena Rose wrote:
http://www.opposingdigits.com/vaccines/


I find it fascinating that want-to-be but never was Pediatrician Jeff
Utz believes that a substance like thimerosal toxic on contact with
the skin is totally benign when pumped into the bodies of infants.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm
If I pout 1 gallon of dihydrogen monoxide on your head, it is relatively
benign.

If I pour the same amount down your throat, you are dead.

The method of administration does often determine the effects.

Advertising for Boyd "Kids with Autism have MAD Child Disease" Haley,
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Old May 24th 06, 11:06 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.health,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Jan Drew wrote:
"Mark Probert" TELLING THE TRUTH AGAIN:
Jan Drew wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Ilena Rose wrote:
http://www.opposingdigits.com/vaccines/


I find it fascinating that want-to-be but never was Pediatrician Jeff
Utz believes that a substance like thimerosal toxic on contact with
the skin is totally benign when pumped into the bodies of infants.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm
If I pout 1 gallon of dihydrogen monoxide on your head, it is
relatively benign.

If I pour the same amount down your throat, you are dead.

The method of administration does often determine the effects.
Advertising for Boyd "Kids with Autism have MAD Child Disease" Haley,
deleted.


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Advertising for Boyd "Kids with Autism have MAD Child Disease" Haley,
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Mark, this exacerbation of your echolalia is troubling to me. It is a
sign that you have to work harder to stop repeating yourself.


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Old May 24th 06, 11:10 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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"Vaccine-man" wrote in message
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You titled this thread as "What is in those Vaccinations?????" Since
ethylene glycol is in some vaccines,


Oh how nice!!!

I'd say it is the subject.

Thanks for sharing!

D U H...

Plus, you're trying to obfuscate the facts, so I am compelled to correct
you.

Let's all add *ethylene glycol* to the list!


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Old May 24th 06, 11:31 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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"Vaccine-man" wrote in message
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john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/v/rapp.html


"John Randall" doesn't exist. He's a fictitious character made up by
the anti-vac whackos.


That's

Dr.MARK Randall

[proof already posted]

AND

Jon Rappoport

http://www.buildfreedom.com/tribute/jon_rappoport.html



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Old May 25th 06, 04:08 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.health,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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Ilena Rose wrote:
http://www.opposingdigits.com/vaccines/


Ohh look, yet another page filled with the typical ignorance and lies
propigated by the anti-vaccine group. No idea of how vaccines are made,
no idea what these components are, no idea of what components of the
process actually end up in the vaccines, and no idea of what is removed
before sale. And no idea of the safety standards and purity
requirements... Basic deconstruction of the list:

Gelatin, chick embryo/egg/fluid, human/other cells, serum proteins, soy
protein, yeast, etc: Used to support the growth of the virus/bacteria
used to generate the vaccine. Viruses require living cells to grow
(hence the use of eggs or animal cells). The rest (gelatin, serum, etc)
are components of the media used to grow the cells. According to FDA
rules, before sale all of these components must be removed from the
vaccine. So listing them as ingredients is an out-and-out lie. Kinda
like listing "dirt" as an ingredient for bread. It was used to grow the
wheat, but isn't rpesent in the bread itself.

Various microbes: Vaccines are designed to protect us from microbes.
The way they do this is by exposing our body to parts of microbes, or to
dead microbes, or to living (but impaired) microbes. This gives our
immune system a chance to respond to the pathogen with no/minimal risk
of actual disease. After this exposure the immune system "remembers"
the pathogen, and thus if you are exposed to it again your body can
readily fight it off. To put this into context, it takes your body upto
2 weeks to respond effectively to a pathogen the first time you are
exposed - that's two weeks in which the pathogen can ravage your body.
Memory responses are much faster, and usually take less then a day. So
complaining about microbial components in your vaccines is rather stupid
- making a vaccine without these would be like making bread without
flour. Simply put, without these components the vaccine wouldn't do a
thing.

Antibiotics: Used in the culture of viruses and some bacteria, to
prevent bacterial infections of the culture system. Due to the high
rates of antibiotic allergies among people the FDA requires that these
be removed before packaging. So it's not actually in the vaccine. Once
again you are lying about the contents of the vaccines...

Sorbitol & lactose: Sugars. You eat these every day; they're found in
milk products, candy, and other sources. Perfectly safe. And usually
removed from the final product to help prevent bacterial growth in the
vaccine.

Aluminum hydroxide (alum), polysorbate: Adjuvents. Required to make
the vaccine work. Without them you may as well inject water.
Polysorbate is also a common ingredient in foods. These two compounds
are used as they are extremely safe at the doses used.
Animal/laboratory vaccines use much more potent adjuvents (freunds, for
example), but these are not used in people as the risk of a sever
reaction is too high. Making vaccines without adjuvents would be like
making bread without yeast.

Glycerin/glycerol: Thickening agent and emulsifier. Harmless; your
body produces glycerin as a breakdown product of many lipids. Can also
be used as an energy source by your body, or used by your body in the
synthesis of various phospholipids. Major component of skin
moisturizers and soaps.

Phenol, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethenol: Organic compounds used in the
preparation/preservation of the vaccine. Toxic at high doses, but
present in vaccines in trace amounts. Some are produced by our bodies,
particularly in the liver. As an example, your liver produces trace
amounts of formaldehyde as a natural part of it's metabolism (usually
during the breakdown of alcohol-containing compounds). Every 3 hours
your liver will produce about the same amount of formaldehyde that is
present in an vaccine. You'll recieve more phenol from living in a
house with carpets then you will recieve from vaccines (phenol is a
common ingredient of carpet glue).

Thimerosal: A mercury-containing preservative. There was some
suggestion in the 90's that thimerosal may cause autism or mercury
poisoning. Both of these have since been disproved - there is
absolutely no link between autism and vaccines what-so-every, and it
also been shown that the amount of free mercury (i.e. toxic mercury)
released from your average vaccine injection is about the same as the
amount of mercury you receive eating a tuna salad sandwich. Even so,
due to public pressure thermisol is being replaced in many vaccines with
alternative preservatives. When compared to the risk of the diseases
we're vaccinating against, worrying about the unlikely toxic effects of
this preservative is like worrying about second-hand smoke when your
trapped in a burning building.

Monosodium glutamate (MSG), aspartame: Amino-acid derivatives, derived
from glutamic acid and aspartic acid respectively. Used in the cell
culture stage to provide the cells with amino-acids required for cell
growth. Largely removed during processing, and can be used by our
bodies for the synthesis of proteins, or can be broken down for energy.
Also commonly used as food additives. There is a slight allergy risk
with MSG, hence why it is usually removed from the final product.

Phosphate-buffered saline (PBS): Simply a saline solution which is pH
regulated by the addition of phosphate. This is injected (either as
straight saline, or as PBS) frequently into patients. Probably the most
commonly injected substance in medicine. Used medically to replace
fluid after dehydration or blood loss. Use in vaccines to provide a
safe fluid to suspend the vaccine in. Can be made in a variety of ways,
and may contain: potassium chloride, potassium phosphate monobasic,
potassium phosphate dibasic, sodium bicarbonate, sodium phosphate
dibasic, and sodium chloride. All of these components exist naturally
in our bodies - in fact, PBS is specifically designed to mimic the
natural levels of these components in our bodies, and thus replicate the
fluids in our body accurately. Also used in the culture of the cells
used to make vaccines.


thimerosal toxic on contact with
the skin is totally benign when pumped into the bodies of infants.



Wrong! Not even close to being toxic. A very small portion of the
population (about 3 in 10,000) will undergo an allergic response to
thermisol when if they are exposed to it on their skin. This reaction
is known as a allergic dermatitis, akin to the response people have when
exposed to poison ivy (i.e. itching, redness). Although irritating it
represents no threat what-so-ever to the patient. Due to the nature of
these responses (properly referred to as hapten-carrier reactions), the
risk of a reaction via injection is minimal as the body can only respond
to thermosil when it is linked to specific skin protein(s). Because
injected vaccines are placed below the keritinized layer of the skin,
the chance of this conjugate forming is minimal, and therefore the risk
of a response is also minimal. Even if a response occurs it tends to be
very similar to your average allergic response - nasal congestion.
Hardly a "toxic" response, and a small price to pay.

Ironically, the #1 risk of taking vaccines - anaphylaxis - wasn't even
mentioned by you. Makes one wonder if you're even vaguely aware of how
vaccines or the immune system work. If you don't want to be vaccinated
that is your business, but you shouldn't be passing off these lies as
truth. Although the fact that you use lies to push your agenda is a
pretty good indicator of just how honest you are, and speaks volumes
about the credibility of your arguments. At the end of the day vaccines
have saved millions of lives; you seem to want those people to die. why
is that?

Bryan
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Old May 25th 06, 09:22 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.health,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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Bryan Heit wrote:

http://www.opposingdigits.com/vaccines/


Ohh look, yet another page filled with the typical ignorance and lies
propigated by the anti-vaccine group. No idea of how vaccines are made,
no idea what these components are, no idea of what components of the
process actually end up in the vaccines, and no idea of what is removed
before sale. And no idea of the safety standards and purity
requirements... Basic deconstruction of the list:

Gelatin, chick embryo/egg/fluid, human/other cells, serum proteins, soy
protein, yeast, etc: Used to support the growth of the virus/bacteria
used to generate the vaccine. Viruses require living cells to grow
(hence the use of eggs or animal cells). The rest (gelatin, serum, etc)
are components of the media used to grow the cells. According to FDA
rules, before sale all of these components must be removed from the
vaccine. So listing them as ingredients is an out-and-out lie. Kinda
like listing "dirt" as an ingredient for bread. It was used to grow the
wheat, but isn't rpesent in the bread itself.

Various microbes: Vaccines are designed to protect us from microbes.
The way they do this is by exposing our body to parts of microbes, or to
dead microbes, or to living (but impaired) microbes. This gives our
immune system a chance to respond to the pathogen with no/minimal risk
of actual disease. After this exposure the immune system "remembers"
the pathogen, and thus if you are exposed to it again your body can
readily fight it off. To put this into context, it takes your body upto
2 weeks to respond effectively to a pathogen the first time you are
exposed - that's two weeks in which the pathogen can ravage your body.
Memory responses are much faster, and usually take less then a day. So
complaining about microbial components in your vaccines is rather stupid
- making a vaccine without these would be like making bread without
flour. Simply put, without these components the vaccine wouldn't do a
thing.

Antibiotics: Used in the culture of viruses and some bacteria, to
prevent bacterial infections of the culture system. Due to the high
rates of antibiotic allergies among people the FDA requires that these
be removed before packaging. So it's not actually in the vaccine. Once
again you are lying about the contents of the vaccines...

Sorbitol & lactose: Sugars. You eat these every day; they're found in
milk products, candy, and other sources. Perfectly safe. And usually
removed from the final product to help prevent bacterial growth in the
vaccine.

Aluminum hydroxide (alum), polysorbate: Adjuvents. Required to make
the vaccine work. Without them you may as well inject water.
Polysorbate is also a common ingredient in foods. These two compounds
are used as they are extremely safe at the doses used. Animal/laboratory
vaccines use much more potent adjuvents (freunds, for example), but
these are not used in people as the risk of a sever reaction is too
high. Making vaccines without adjuvents would be like making bread
without yeast.

Glycerin/glycerol: Thickening agent and emulsifier. Harmless; your
body produces glycerin as a breakdown product of many lipids. Can also
be used as an energy source by your body, or used by your body in the
synthesis of various phospholipids. Major component of skin
moisturizers and soaps.

Phenol, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethenol: Organic compounds used in the
preparation/preservation of the vaccine. Toxic at high doses, but
present in vaccines in trace amounts. Some are produced by our bodies,
particularly in the liver. As an example, your liver produces trace
amounts of formaldehyde as a natural part of it's metabolism (usually
during the breakdown of alcohol-containing compounds). Every 3 hours
your liver will produce about the same amount of formaldehyde that is
present in an vaccine. You'll recieve more phenol from living in a
house with carpets then you will recieve from vaccines (phenol is a
common ingredient of carpet glue).

Thimerosal: A mercury-containing preservative. There was some
suggestion in the 90's that thimerosal may cause autism or mercury
poisoning. Both of these have since been disproved - there is
absolutely no link between autism and vaccines what-so-every, and it
also been shown that the amount of free mercury (i.e. toxic mercury)
released from your average vaccine injection is about the same as the
amount of mercury you receive eating a tuna salad sandwich. Even so,
due to public pressure thermisol is being replaced in many vaccines with
alternative preservatives. When compared to the risk of the diseases
we're vaccinating against, worrying about the unlikely toxic effects of
this preservative is like worrying about second-hand smoke when your
trapped in a burning building.

Monosodium glutamate (MSG), aspartame: Amino-acid derivatives, derived
from glutamic acid and aspartic acid respectively. Used in the cell
culture stage to provide the cells with amino-acids required for cell
growth. Largely removed during processing, and can be used by our
bodies for the synthesis of proteins, or can be broken down for energy.
Also commonly used as food additives. There is a slight allergy risk
with MSG, hence why it is usually removed from the final product.

Phosphate-buffered saline (PBS): Simply a saline solution which is pH
regulated by the addition of phosphate. This is injected (either as
straight saline, or as PBS) frequently into patients. Probably the most
commonly injected substance in medicine. Used medically to replace
fluid after dehydration or blood loss. Use in vaccines to provide a
safe fluid to suspend the vaccine in. Can be made in a variety of ways,
and may contain: potassium chloride, potassium phosphate monobasic,
potassium phosphate dibasic, sodium bicarbonate, sodium phosphate
dibasic, and sodium chloride. All of these components exist naturally
in our bodies - in fact, PBS is specifically designed to mimic the
natural levels of these components in our bodies, and thus replicate the
fluids in our body accurately. Also used in the culture of the cells
used to make vaccines.


thimerosal toxic on contact with
the skin is totally benign when pumped into the bodies of infants.



Wrong! Not even close to being toxic. A very small portion of the
population (about 3 in 10,000) will undergo an allergic response to
thermisol when if they are exposed to it on their skin. This reaction
is known as a allergic dermatitis, akin to the response people have when
exposed to poison ivy (i.e. itching, redness). Although irritating it
represents no threat what-so-ever to the patient. Due to the nature of
these responses (properly referred to as hapten-carrier reactions), the
risk of a reaction via injection is minimal as the body can only respond
to thermosil when it is linked to specific skin protein(s). Because
injected vaccines are placed below the keritinized layer of the skin,
the chance of this conjugate forming is minimal, and therefore the risk
of a response is also minimal. Even if a response occurs it tends to be
very similar to your average allergic response - nasal congestion.
Hardly a "toxic" response, and a small price to pay.

Ironically, the #1 risk of taking vaccines - anaphylaxis - wasn't even
mentioned by you. Makes one wonder if you're even vaguely aware of how
vaccines or the immune system work. If you don't want to be vaccinated
that is your business, but you shouldn't be passing off these lies as
truth. Although the fact that you use lies to push your agenda is a
pretty good indicator of just how honest you are, and speaks volumes
about the credibility of your arguments. At the end of the day vaccines
have saved millions of lives; you seem to want those people to die. why
is that?

Bryan


Welcome to the world of the anti-vac liars. Why they do it is a mystery,
but, they do it. If Autism was totally disproven to be vaccine related,
they would come up with another scary disease to fear monger to parents.
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Old May 25th 06, 09:46 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.health,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology
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"Bryan Heit" wrote in message
...

Just one:

Antibiotics: Used in the culture of viruses and some bacteria, to prevent
bacterial infections of the culture system. Due to the high rates of
antibiotic allergies among people the FDA requires that these be removed
before packaging. So it's not actually in the vaccine. Once again you
are lying about the contents of the vaccines...


Why does it say 25 mcg of neomycin on the package insert them?

"Each dose of the vaccine contains sorbitol (14.5 mg), sodium phosphate,
sucrose (1.9 mg), sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin (14.5 mg), human
albumin (0.3 mg), foetal bovine serum (1 ppm), other buffer and media
ingredients and approximately 25 mcg of neomycin. The product contains no
preservative". http://www.whale.to/m/mmr11.html

At the end of the day vaccines have saved millions of lives; you seem to
want those people to die. why is that?


Study the real history, rather than flaunt your lies here
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox14.html

Aluminum hydroxide ... These two compounds are used as they are extremely
safe at the doses used. Animal/laboratory vaccines use much more potent
adjuvents (freunds, for example), but these are not used in people as the
risk of a sever reaction is too high. Making vaccines without adjuvents
would be like making bread without yeast.


Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum
hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson's,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease), and Alzheimer's....."This
is suspicious," he told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview from his
lab near Heather Street and West 12th Avenue. "Either this [link] is known
by industry and it was never made public, or industry was never made to do
these studies by Health Canada. I'm not sure which is scarier." Similar
adjuvants are used in the following vaccines, according to Shaw's paper:
hepatitis A and B, and the Pentacel cocktail, which vaccinates against
diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, and a type of meningitis...."No one
in my lab wants to get vaccinated," he said. "This totally creeped us out.
We weren't out there to poke holes in vaccines. But all of a sudden, oh my
God-we've got neuron death!"Another important factor with regard to mercury
on the mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM
do not consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when
other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats
and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a
striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent
mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there.
Vaccines contain aluminum. http://www.whale.to/vaccines/woolley.html.htm

"We have demonstrated the toxicity of thimerosal by using it to kill neurons
in culture. At 50 nanomolar thimerosal the neuron killing capacity/rate is
about doubled with the addition of levels of aluminium found in vaccines.
The aluminium alone at this level is not demonstrated to be toxic, so it is
enhancing the toxicity of the thimerosal. It likely does this by increasing
the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which is the
toxic material" -------Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky,
Chair and Head of Chemistry.......

Gupta RK, Relyveld EH.Adverse reactions after injection of adsorbed
diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) vaccine are not due only to pertussis
organisms or pertussis components in the vaccine.
Vaccine. 1991 Oct;9(10):699-702. Review.PMID: 1759487; UI: 92101590
Aluminium compounds such as aluminium phosphate and aluminium hydroxide are
the most commonly used adjuvants with vaccines for human use. Due to the
increasing concern about the toxicity of aluminium, other adjuvants like
calcium phosphate may be evaluated as an alternative to aluminium adjuvants.
To minimize reactions after immunization with DPT vaccine due to impurities
in the toxoids, the use of toxoided purified toxins is suggested.


 




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