A Parenting & kids forum. ParentingBanter.com

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » ParentingBanter.com forum » misc.kids » Kids Health
Site Map Home Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old August 6th 03, 05:40 AM
JG
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever

"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
...

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
et...


"Jeff Utz" wrote


You said that the drug lobby is doing something. You have
failed to provide evidence that it is.


Take a wild guess. Do you think that the drug companies are for or
against the vaccine mandates?


I don't know.


Read the article at http://www.all.org/activism/pox02.htm.

Now you do.


  #22  
Old August 6th 03, 03:42 PM
Beth
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever

Thanks for the link. It was most interesting reading. While I wasn't
surprised by the lobbying efforts of vaccine manufacturers, I was
stunned by the level of secrecy and conflict of interest documented
regarding the CDC vaccine advisory committee.

Beth

"JG" wrote in message ...
"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
...

"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
et...


"Jeff Utz" wrote


You said that the drug lobby is doing something. You have
failed to provide evidence that it is.


Take a wild guess. Do you think that the drug companies are for or
against the vaccine mandates?


I don't know.


Read the article at http://www.all.org/activism/pox02.htm.

Now you do.

  #23  
Old August 6th 03, 04:14 PM
Jeff Utz
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever

Very interesting article. I missed the part about where it said the vaccine
makers were lobbying against vaccine exemptions, which was Roger's original
claim, though. (Lobbying for mandatory vaccines is a different issue.)And
gee, this is the evidence that has been offered.

Although I do agree all conflicts of interest should be made public, I have
yet to see the evidence that these conflicts of interest has changed
anyone's vote.

Jeff


  #24  
Old August 6th 03, 04:54 PM
Rich Shewmaker
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever



--

"David Wright" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:
(David Wright) wrote:


The fact that you have no evidence is enough for me. I don't
doubt that Merck would be pleased if there were fewer vaccine
exemptions, but whether its worth their while (on a cost/benefit
basis) to lobby for such changes is an open question.


Well, what brings in the most money to the Evil Organized
Medicine Conspiracy: A $20 vaccine given during a $100 office
visit or a kid in intensive care for three weeks with whooping
cough?


And to top it off, the hospitalized individual will be treated with
many medications, made by the same companies that makes vaccines, and
costing a hell of a lot more. The idea that vaccines are better for
the bottom line than no vaccines is merely idiotic.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)


Besides, look at the dosing schedule. A vaccine is given at a rate of one
dose every five years at the most. Is this a picture of a profitable
product? Pharmaceutical companies make their big profits on meds like
NSAIDS, and antidepressants, and drugs for GERD and hypertension.

--Rich


  #25  
Old August 6th 03, 11:03 PM
Mark Probert
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever

JG wrote:

"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
...


"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
.net...



"Jeff Utz" wrote



You said that the drug lobby is doing something. You have
failed to provide evidence that it is.



Take a wild guess. Do you think that the drug companies are for or
against the vaccine mandates?



I don't know.



Read the article at http://www.all.org/activism/pox02.htm.

Now you do.


AAPS and Jane Orient are not reliable sources of any information.

The article points out that State health Departments, reputable medical
institutions, and the CDC advocate for vaccination requirements.

And, they should. They know what the diseases do.

Ever see a polio ward?


  #26  
Old August 7th 03, 01:47 AM
Jeff Utz
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever

(...)

Ever see a polio ward?


No. Thanks to vaccines.

Jeff


  #27  
Old August 7th 03, 02:41 AM
JG
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever

"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
...
Very interesting article. I missed the part about where it said the

vaccine
makers were lobbying against vaccine exemptions, which was Roger's

original
claim, though. (Lobbying for mandatory vaccines is a different issue.)


sigh I posted it in response to your statement, "I don't know (whether
drug companies are for or against the vaccine mandates)." Vaccine
manufacturers clearly DO lobby state legislators when it comes to adding
their vaccines to the lists of vaccines states require for school entry;
it's probable, IMO, that they also do some lobbying if/when there's an
effort to expand the exemptions a state offers (e.g., when a proposal to
add a "philosophical" exemption is raised).

If you want to continue playing your "Prove it!" game, go right ahead.
Be careful, however, lest every statement YOU post is similarly
challenged. (You want to start by proving some of the [quite OT]
allegations you've made regarding the Bush administration?)

And
gee, this is the evidence that has been offered.


Although I do agree all conflicts of interest should be made public, I

have
yet to see the evidence that these conflicts of interest has changed
anyone's vote.

Jeff




  #28  
Old August 7th 03, 04:23 AM
D. C. Sessions
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever

In , Roger Schlafly wrote:

"Jeff Utz" wrote
You said that the drug lobby is doing something. You have
failed to provide evidence that it is.


Take a wild guess. Do you think that the drug companies are for or
against the vaccine mandates?


Ah, the usual Schlafly "I conjecture, therefore it is true"
proof schema.

--
| Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
| it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
| for new products or new versions of existing products." |
end
  #29  
Old August 7th 03, 04:39 AM
CBI
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever



"David Wright" wrote in message
...

And to top it off, the hospitalized individual will be treated with
many medications, made by the same companies that makes vaccines, and
costing a hell of a lot more. The idea that vaccines are better for
the bottom line than no vaccines is merely idiotic.


Ever wonder why there are 10 ACEI inhibitors (a blood pressure med) on the
market but shortages of flu vaccine?

--
CBI, MD


  #30  
Old August 7th 03, 06:10 AM
David Wright
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default More U.S. Children Vaccinated Than Ever

In article ,
JG wrote:
"Jeff Utz" wrote in message
...
Very interesting article. I missed the part about where it said the

vaccine
makers were lobbying against vaccine exemptions, which was Roger's

original
claim, though. (Lobbying for mandatory vaccines is a different issue.)


sigh I posted it in response to your statement, "I don't know (whether
drug companies are for or against the vaccine mandates)." Vaccine
manufacturers clearly DO lobby state legislators when it comes to adding
their vaccines to the lists of vaccines states require for school entry;
it's probable, IMO, that they also do some lobbying if/when there's an
effort to expand the exemptions a state offers (e.g., when a proposal to
add a "philosophical" exemption is raised).


It may indeed be that they do this. However, Roger simply assured us
that it was true, rather than being truthful and telling us that it
was merely his opinion.

I'm neither surprised nor particularly disturbed that vaccine makers
lobby for the adoption of their vaccines, no more so than I am over
the makers of any other product lobbying for themselves.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HALF OF KIDS IN FOSTER CARE NEEDLESSLY Malev General 0 December 12th 03 04:53 PM
| | Kids should work... Kane General 13 December 10th 03 03:30 AM
Kids should work. LaVonne Carlson General 22 December 7th 03 05:27 AM
Helping Your Child Be Healthy and Fit sX3#;WA@'U John Smith Kids Health 0 July 20th 03 04:50 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 ParentingBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.