Why Public Schools Pressure Parents To Give Their Kids Mind-Altering Drugs

Mark Probert
Florence Henderson Had A Mullet wrote:
On 19 May 2006 21:43:08 -0700, "Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe"
said:

In addition, I've NEVER seen or
heard of any school system forcing parents to medicate their children,

I have. (This is Kentucky.)

Hi Tim.

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"MothWrangler" wrote in message
...
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
Justin wrote:

Now saying that the school system is to blame for many problems
(including ADD) is one thing (and for the most part, I agree), but
saying that ADD doesn't even exist at all is something else entirely.

But hey, what the hell would your average op. writer know about the
subject, anyway?



Blah.

While I agree with the article WRT the attrocious conditions of most
public schools (having been a public school teacher myself), that has
nothing whatsoever to do with ADHD. In addition, I've NEVER seen or
heard of any school system forcing parents to medicate their children,
except in the fiction posted online. That's kinda what's known as
practicing medicine without a license. Not a good thing for a school
administrator to do.

If it ever happened before, the 2004 amendments to the IDEA added a
provision prohibiting mandatory medication--at least mandatory controlled
medication.

The IDEA now provides:

Section 1412

(25) Prohibition on Mandatory Medication.

(A) In General. The State educational agency shall prohibit State and
local educational agency personnel from requiring a child to obtain a
prescription for a substance covered by the Controlled Substances Act (21
U.S.C. 801 et seq.) as a condition of attending school, receiving an
evaluation under subsection (a) or (c) of section 1414 of this title, or
receiving services under this title.

(B) Rule of Construction. Nothing in subparagraph (A) shall be construed
to create a Federal prohibition against teachers and other school
personnel consulting or sharing classroom-based observations with parents
or guardians regarding a student's academic and functional performance, or
behavior in the classroom or school, or regarding the need for evaluation
for special education or related services under paragraph (3).


Before Congress passed the above, it was my understanding that public
schools couldn't require *any* type of medication in order for children to
receive special education services. Now, thanks to Congress, I think
there's an argument that could be made--and I suspect some school's lawyer
somewhere will eventually make it--that by passing a prohibition against
only controlled medications, Congress has now given their implied approval
for schools to require medications *other than* controlled meds.

That would mean that while schools couldn't require ADHD students to take
methylphenidate (Ritalin, etc.), they could require them to take
non-controlled medications such as Strattera.

Please understand, I'm not making that argument, and I think it's wrong,
but some school, somewhere may make it.


Nancy
Unique, like everyone else

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote:
Justin wrote:
Now saying that the school system is to blame for many problems
(including ADD) is one thing (and for the most part, I agree), but
saying that ADD doesn't even exist at all is something else entirely.

But hey, what the hell would your average op. writer know about the
subject, anyway?


Blah.

While I agree with the article WRT the attrocious conditions of most
public schools (having been a public school teacher myself), that has
nothing whatsoever to do with ADHD. In addition, I've NEVER seen or
heard of any school system forcing parents to medicate their children,
except in the fiction posted online.

There have been a few, far fewer than the anti-med crowd would have you
believe, documented cases of a school pressuring parents. We had one of a
parent who had been in one of my support groups and she contacted me about
what to do. She followed my advice to the letter.

LOL....

She requested that the Committee on Special Ed be reconvened, as is her
right under IDEA. While waiting for the meeting, she sent memorialization
letters to the two people, who returned a denial they ever said anything.

She requested (insisted) that the administrator and the teacher be present
at the meeting as they clearly had opinions about how to handle her son.

She had a third party (me) attend with her.

Sure, Mark, sure.

When the introductions were over, the committee chair asked her the
purpose of the meeting. She deferred to me.

Oh boy..this get better and better.

I simply stated that Mr. X and Ms. Y had suggested that there be a change
in treatment for her son, and his mother wanted it to be made part of the
kids IEP.

They vigorously denied saying anything, and we then agreed to adjourn the
meeting. On the way out, I told them that she will not discuss her child
unless the discussion is taped or a part of a CSE meeting.

Hasn't been raised since.

WOW!

Did you tell them you were a DISBARRED CHEATING LAWYER?

Mr. Big Shot?



That's kinda what's known as
practicing medicine without a license. Not a good thing for a school
administrator to do.

See above. Make them squirm.

In my family, ADHD is normal. It's the rest of the world that's out of
sync. So we find ways to work around the rest of the world, with or
without meds.

When my son was on meds for ADHD, it wasn't the school that encouraged
that. AAMOF, they didn't even know about it. But it *was* because his
teacher that year wouldn't work with me on techniques that would help
him that was the reason for us taking him to the doc for an official
diagnosis.

The next year, we began home educating. YS's response was, "Mom, now
that I'm not in public school, can we work on my learning to focus
without meds?" And he's refused to take them since, even during times
when it would have been extremely beneficial for him to take them
temporarily.

It wasn't the school that had him dx'd or placed on meds. But our
choosing to do so was a result of the school not working with us to
insure that he was getting the education he needed.

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Karen R. wrote:
Mark Probert wrote the following on 5/20/2006 5:12 PM:
Karen R. wrote:

Still, I have two children with ADD and one with autism.

Did you watch television while breast feeding? That will be the next
alleged cause.

Actually, I read a lot. Must have been all those ink fumes.


Notice who's *not* responding to your post, Karen. You did all the
right things, and you have children who are neurodivergent. Maybe the
problem is that you have a diverse collection of reading material and
an eclectic music collection. Am I right?

Kitten

Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote the following on 5/21/2006 1:04 AM:
Karen R. wrote:
Mark Probert wrote the following on 5/20/2006 5:12 PM:
Karen R. wrote:
Still, I have two children with ADD and one with autism.
Did you watch television while breast feeding? That will be the next
alleged cause.
Actually, I read a lot. Must have been all those ink fumes.


Notice who's *not* responding to your post, Karen. You did all the
right things, and you have children who are neurodivergent. Maybe the
problem is that you have a diverse collection of reading material and
an eclectic music collection. Am I right?

Guilty as charged. Plus I did all that stuff that goes along with home
births and extended breastfeeding -- attachment parenting, LLL (leader),
reading Mothering magazine...

My MIL blamed my OD's autism on the home birth, nursing, not leaving her
until she was able to handle it, using a Snugli, and not forcing her to
eat solids until she showed an interest. It didn't matter that my other
two had the same start in life and aren't autistic. I didn't parent the
'normal' (her) way, so that must be the cause.

Actually, I like to think that my daughter has been as successful as she
has been (about to graduate from high school, accepted into a summer
program at the local university, confident and secure) *because* of her
upbringing. Certainly no one who saw how disabled she was in her early
years would have thought she would have come so far.

Karen R.

Karen R. wrote:
snipped
Guilty as charged. Plus I did all that stuff that goes along with home
births and extended breastfeeding -- attachment parenting, LLL (leader),
reading Mothering magazine...

My MIL blamed my OD's autism on the home birth, nursing, not leaving her
until she was able to handle it, using a Snugli, and not forcing her to
eat solids until she showed an interest. It didn't matter that my other
two had the same start in life and aren't autistic. I didn't parent the
'normal' (her) way, so that must be the cause.


My grandma always said, "If a baby cries, pick him up. If he's hungry,
feed him. If he needs something, give it to him." She taught us to
read at an early age. She played lots of different kinds of music and
talked to us about lots of different things about the world.

Our family has a *lot* of ADHD, with Aspergers and autism. Those of us
who are dx'd are the same as the rest, with each of us having varying
degrees of the symptomology. We all have all 18 of the diagnostic
characteristics of ADHD, impacting us at varying levels. We all have
at least some of the characteristics of autism, again in varying
degrees.

Actually, I like to think that my daughter has been as successful as she
has been (about to graduate from high school, accepted into a summer
program at the local university, confident and secure) *because* of her
upbringing. Certainly no one who saw how disabled she was in her early
years would have thought she would have come so far.


Kudos. For my family, this goes back generations. Most of us are
successful at what we've chosen to do in life. The biggest challenges
have come in trying to determine what it is that we should be doing.

Even me, with all the issues I'm having ATM, have been successful. I
couldn't tolerate teaching in public schools. The way they are run is
too overwhelming, expecially 25-40 students per class. But I'm good at
teaching and may soon be working with someone on a small school that we
may be opening to be another source for homeschooling families and a
place for public school kids to fall through the cracks. The retired
teacher I spoke with about this the other night also has a heart for
those kids who are missed by the system.

And I'm good at being a wife and mom, even if my husband and younger
two step-children have taken so much of my energy these past seven
years that I'm on the edge of collapse at the moment. Thankfully, my
husband has realized this and is working to make things better on that
end.

I wrote all that so that you know your daughter will be able to be
successful at anything she chooses to do, but she may need help in not
getting overwhelmed. It's so hard to know when to tell people, "No
more." Even when we realize where that level is, it's difficult to
communicate it to those we need to let know. It'd help if they could
read us, but they usually can't.

Kitten

Karen R. wrote:


Actually, I like to think that my daughter has been as successful as she
has been (about to graduate from high school, accepted into a summer
program at the local university, confident and secure) *because* of her
upbringing. Certainly no one who saw how disabled she was in her early
years would have thought she would have come so far.


Yay! for Karen and her OD!

My niece with PDD has also made tremendous strides, and for that I give
the credit to my sister, both for her efforts at home and her advocacy
in the schools.

Nancy
Unique, like everyone else

Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe wrote the following on 5/21/2006 1:58 PM:

My grandma always said, "If a baby cries, pick him up. If he's hungry,
feed him. If he needs something, give it to him."

I think I like your grandma. :-) My feeling was that I needed to trust my
gut. It never felt right to leave a baby crying or to force them to deal
with something they aren't ready for. When I did what my children needed,
it felt right and I didn't stress out. As a side note, my children
adjusted to being in school much sooner than children whose parents had
left them with sitters at a young age so they would get used to
separations. I realize that not every parent has the freedom to do this,
and I don't think children are scarred for life if they are left with a
sitter at a young age. But I think that later separations are easier if a
baby hasn't had to deal with separations before they are ready -- i.e.
when they don't cry whenever the primary caretaker leaves.

I wrote all that so that you know your daughter will be able to be
successful at anything she chooses to do, but she may need help in not
getting overwhelmed. It's so hard to know when to tell people, "No
more." Even when we realize where that level is, it's difficult to
communicate it to those we need to let know. It'd help if they could
read us, but they usually can't.

Thanks. Fortunately one of her strengths is that she is able to advocate
very well for herself, and can let us know when she is close to being
overwhelmed. And she can trust us to believe her and not force her to
continue.

Karen R.

Karen R. wrote:
Mark Probert wrote the following on 5/20/2006 5:12 PM:
Karen R. wrote:

Still, I have two children with ADD and one with autism.

Did you watch television while breast feeding? That will be the next
alleged cause.

Actually, I read a lot. Must have been all those ink fumes.

Hmmm...was the TV on in the other room? Did your neighbor have it on?