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upset at nanny -- vent
"Dawn Lawson" wrote in message news:cQwVb.440886$ts4.344476@pd7tw3no... Chotii wrote: "D W" wrote in message ... What???!!!! Your saying now there's no problem, and she is a good nanny! After talking badly about her to just about everybody you could think of, calling her simple and getting all bent out of proportion, you now say she is a good nanny. The woman can be a good nanny, you know, EXCEPT for not understanding how important the dietary restrictions are. I suspect the 'simpleness' has more to do with a language barrier than an actual lack of intelligence, but communication problems are problems no matter why they occur. I may be wrong, but I think there's no language barrier between Anita and her nanny. She did say that her nanny only reads Chinese. If that's the case, then the nanny would have learned English as a second language, probably as an adult. In such a case, it's irrelevant that the nanny speaks English, her command of it will not be perfect, and misunderstandings are bound to occur. The answer to this is patience and careful communication. For both of them. Of course, cultural differences also will apply. --angela |
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D W wrote:
What???!!!! Your saying now there's no problem, and she is a good nanny! After talking badly about her to just about everybody you could think of, calling her simple and getting all bent out of proportion, you now say she is a good nanny. Uh, she made one post to Usenet venting. I hardly think that's the same thing as "talking badly...to everybody [she] could think of." How is being upset about a baby being fed something it's not ready for getting "bent out of proportion"? One small facet of childcare doesn't necessarily negate the other factors; she can certainly be a good nanny even though she's made one mistake. And, by the way, it's "you're." Woman, get a grip. I know we all have times that we need to vent, but its how we vent that matter. Yes, exactly, which is why she came and complained here instead of verbally going postal on the nanny. I don't think Anita's the one who needs to get a grip. You're getting awfully upset here for no apparent reason. Life is too short. Though I bet it can seem pretty long sometimes when you suffer from serious food intolerances that could have been avoided. -- tristyn www.tristyn.net "i have heard the mermaids singing, each to each. i do not think that they will sing to me." |
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upset at nanny -- vent
"Dawn Lawson" wrote in message news:eZAVb.431126$JQ1.351867@pd7tw1no... Chotii wrote: "Dawn Lawson" wrote in message news:cQwVb.440886$ts4.344476@pd7tw3no... Chotii wrote: "D W" wrote in message ... What???!!!! Your saying now there's no problem, and she is a good nanny! After talking badly about her to just about everybody you could think of, calling her simple and getting all bent out of proportion, you now say she is a good nanny. The woman can be a good nanny, you know, EXCEPT for not understanding how important the dietary restrictions are. I suspect the 'simpleness' has more to do with a language barrier than an actual lack of intelligence, but communication problems are problems no matter why they occur. I may be wrong, but I think there's no language barrier between Anita and her nanny. She did say that her nanny only reads Chinese. What do you know about Anita's family? Just because her nanny only reads Chinese doesn't really mean there's a language barrier. ;-) Okay, here you've got me. I know nada about Anita's family. I know that if I had a nanny who read only Chinese, there's a good chance she and I would have *some* degree of language barrier. The same would be true for virtually anyone who read only (some language other than English). I do speak Spanish, and a little French, and a bit less than that of Italian, However. I concede: in this regard, I may be entirely wrong. Still, there must have been SOME kind of communication or comprehension breakdown. If it wasn't language, then culture, or...something. Else the nanny would not have been feeding the baby a forbidden food. --angela |
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She is a very good nanny: she keeps Pillbug clean
and happy, makes him laugh, is very responsive to his emotions, keeps his room clean, is always on time, does his laundry twice a week, clips and files his nails twice a week, takes him out for a stroller ride every day (except on rainy or cold, windy days). She latches him in properly, keeps him safe, holds him while he naps. She's a fabulous nanny. I've never had a problem with her; she just thought it was a nice thing to do to give Pillbug some of her bread because he looked like he wanted to eat! It was not intentional. I just hit the roof because I'm trying to hard to make sure that he does not get any allergies or sensitivities and she didn't seem to understand the magnitude of what she'd done. I meant "simple" in that she never thought to question that there may be chemicals in something like wheat bread or that there may be allergies involved. I do get ballistic when I think Pillbug's future is threatened, even if everything else about the nanny is fabulous. And, you know how sometimes you get mad, talk it out, everything is resolved, but you still have those mad feelings? That's what this vent was about. By the way, there's no language barrier between the nanny and me. There's a culture gap in the sense that she never worried about stuff like this for her son 25 years ago in Taiwan. But, in terms of Chinese culture and stuff, nah, no real barrier. -- Anita -- D W wrote: What???!!!! Your saying now there's no problem, and she is a good nanny! After talking badly about her to just about everybody you could think of, calling her simple and getting all bent out of proportion, you now say she is a good nanny. Woman, get a grip. I know we all have times that we need to vent, but its how we vent that matter. I think we need to concentrate on the things that are really important in life. Life is too short. -- SUCCESS FOUR FLIGHTS THURSDAY MORNING ALL AGAINST TWENTY ONE MILE WIND STARTED FROM LEVEL WITH ENGINE POWER ALONE AVERAGE SPEED THROUGH AIR THIRTY ONE MILES LONGEST 57 SECONDS INFORM PRESS HOME CHRISTMAS. |
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upset at nanny -- vent
"Irrational Number" wrote in message ... She is a very good nanny: she keeps Pillbug clean and happy, makes him laugh, is very responsive to his emotions, keeps his room clean, is always on time, does his laundry twice a week, clips and files his nails twice a week, takes him out for a stroller ride every day (except on rainy or cold, windy days). She latches him in properly, keeps him safe, holds him while he naps. She's a fabulous nanny. I've never had a problem with her; she just thought it was a nice thing to do to give Pillbug some of her bread because he looked like he wanted to eat! It was not intentional. I just hit the roof because I'm trying to hard to make sure that he does not get any allergies or sensitivities and she didn't seem to understand the magnitude of what she'd done. I meant "simple" in that she never thought to question that there may be chemicals in something like wheat bread or that there may be allergies involved. I do get ballistic when I think Pillbug's future is threatened, even if everything else about the nanny is fabulous. And, you know how sometimes you get mad, talk it out, everything is resolved, but you still have those mad feelings? That's what this vent was about. By the way, there's no language barrier between the nanny and me. There's a culture gap in the sense that she never worried about stuff like this for her son 25 years ago in Taiwan. But, in terms of Chinese culture and stuff, nah, no real barrier. Cultural gap applies in the sense that some of us are really into natural health, AP, etc. Heck, MOST people I know have no clue where Im coming from nor do they understand my concerns. *sigh* Its hard when u are doing what u think is best, but its totally agaisnt the flow of popular culture. |
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I've never had a problem with her; she just thought it was a nice thing to do to give Pillbug some of her bread because he looked like he wanted to eat! It was not intentional. I just hit the roof because I'm trying to hard to make sure that he does not get any allergies or sensitivities and she didn't seem to understand the magnitude of what she'd done. I think you have both learnt from this experience. I imagine that if you had known just how strongly you felt about this, you would have put it right up there in the top things to ask when you interviewed her (along with first aid skills, fire hazards, being safe in the car etc). You've both learnt that she doesn't have the same concerns that you have about weaning and food in general. When your DS is eating a wider variety of food and being taken out to playdates and places to eat you'll really need to make sure she knows *exactly* what your DS can and can't have. Mary Ann |
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upset at nanny -- vent
"Tine Andersen" wrote in message
k... AND I snipped! "Nina" skrev i en meddelelse ... language and cultural differences make it very easy to have problems Tell me about it - even on this newsgroup. Sometimes you ladies really surprise me (well not anymore, but in the beginning) Tine, Denmark I'm very curious about your comment that you've had problems on the newsgroup due to language and cultural differences. Could you give some examples of ways "we" (I guess that would be us from the U.S.?) have surprised you? Thanks, -Patty, mom to Corinne (5.75y) and Nathan (3.5y) and stepmom to Victoria (13.5y) |
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upset at nanny -- vent
"PattyMomVA" skrev i en meddelelse
... "Tine Andersen" wrote in message k... AND I snipped! "Nina" skrev i en meddelelse ... language and cultural differences make it very easy to have problems Tell me about it - even on this newsgroup. Sometimes you ladies really surprise me (well not anymore, but in the beginning) Tine, Denmark I'm very curious about your comment that you've had problems on the newsgroup due to language and cultural differences. Could you give some examples of ways "we" (I guess that would be us from the U.S.?) have surprised you? Thanks, -Patty, mom to Corinne (5.75y) and Nathan (3.5y) and stepmom to Victoria (13.5y) I can give you one: In Denmark religion is something VERY private. No-one would ever say: "We pray for you". It would sound completely ridiculous. No-one ever knows anything about other people's religion exept if it is VERY obvious (my boss being financial leader of the Jewish community, a muslim girl wearing a scarf around her hair) On the other hand: no-one would lift an eye brow at a fully exposed breast of a nursing mother on a bench in the main street on a nursing mother. And another: you have all kinds of words to paraphrase things you don't want to mention directly (being politically correct). A brown skinned person is Afro-American - here he would simply be a negro (negro meaning 'black') It's a completely neutral word. We are not whatnot-challenged - ever. People who can't hear are deaf, I am short, and dyslectic people are called word-blind. Homosexual men are gay ('bøsse' in Danish meaning 'gun'.) Used to be derogatory, but the gay people started to use it and thereby took the sting out of it. Now even politicians will use the term. We put the stroller with a sleeping child in front of a restaurant outside the windows while we have lunch inside if we can sit next to the window and see the stroller. No problem. In New York a Danish woman doing so was put in prison some years ago and her completely breastfed baby taken from her for four days. When the baby was returned she was very hoarse and hungry. My whole country (okay - only 5 mill, but it's all we have) was in an uproar. No-one homeschools. SAHM is only seen if they are un-employed. Or only for short periods. On the other hand we have up to 46 weeks of paid maternaty and parental leave - not on full salary, but something you can live from. Out of these the father can take 32 if the two of them can agree on it. And no employer can say anything - it's his right. In fact: you are not allowed to go to work before 14 weeks post partum. I can't come up with any more good ones right now, but in general I think we are more open with some things (our bodies) and more closed about others (religion). Tine, Denmark P.S. That's why I always write 'Denmark' - to apologize on beforehand for blunders I make. |
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upset at nanny -- vent
"Tine Andersen" wrote in message k... "PattyMomVA" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Tine Andersen" wrote in message k... AND I snipped! "Nina" skrev i en meddelelse ... language and cultural differences make it very easy to have problems Tell me about it - even on this newsgroup. Sometimes you ladies really surprise me (well not anymore, but in the beginning) Tine, Denmark I'm very curious about your comment that you've had problems on the newsgroup due to language and cultural differences. Could you give some examples of ways "we" (I guess that would be us from the U.S.?) have surprised you? Thanks, -Patty, mom to Corinne (5.75y) and Nathan (3.5y) and stepmom to Victoria (13.5y) I can give you one: In Denmark religion is something VERY private. No-one would ever say: "We pray for you". It would sound completely ridiculous. No-one ever knows anything about other people's religion exept if it is VERY obvious (my boss being financial leader of the Jewish community, a muslim girl wearing a scarf around her hair) On the other hand: no-one would lift an eye brow at a fully exposed breast of a nursing mother on a bench in the main street on a nursing mother. And another: you have all kinds of words to paraphrase things you don't want to mention directly (being politically correct). A brown skinned person is Afro-American - here he would simply be a negro (negro meaning 'black') It's a completely neutral word. African Americans are black, not all blacks are African Americans. So sometimes the term is used to differntiate between blacks of US ancestry and Africans, Caribbean blacks, South American blacks, etc. |
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"Nina" skrev i en meddelelse
... African Americans are black, not all blacks are African Americans. So sometimes the term is used to differntiate between blacks of US ancestry and Africans, Caribbean blacks, South American blacks, etc. .....and they are not even black - mostly they are light brown. :-) In Denmark there are so few that we only recently have started to diffentiate between Africans and Americans - and we wouldn't even think about the rest. They are simply negroes. But of course you are right. Tine, Denmark |
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