Yay Bradley Method! BOO cord blood collection company

YAY BRADLEY METHOD!

"E" just wrote to me:

"We are now taking Bradley birth classes and I have learned of the benefits
of waiting until the cord has stopped pulsing before cutting/clamping..."

YAY!



"E" wrote further:

"The instructions included with the [cord blood collection] kit call for
clamping as soon as possible."

BOO CORD BLOOD COLLECTION COMPANY!


"E" still wants to donate her baby's cord blood:

"I would like to include my own instructions in my birth plan so that I can
achieve both of my goals."



"E" asks: "Is there any information you can give me to help with this?"




Dear "E",

Your birth plan should clearly indicate what retired obstetrician George
Malcom Morley, MB ChB FACO indicates:

DO NOT CLAMP UNTIL THE CORD HAS STOPPED PULSATING AND MY BABY IS PINK AND
BREATHING AND NOT IN NEED OF RESUSCITATION.

Your Bradley Method instructor no doubt has the requisite information and
references.

"Clamping as soon as possible" is obvious CHILD ABUSE - unless there is an
actual need to clamp as soon as possible - which is rare.

One does NOT rob babies (or anyone else) of up to 50% of their blood
volume - not even if there are "neonatal teams" at-the-ready to rush them
across the room to resuscitate them.

NOTE: Top cord blood scientist Peter Hollands, PhD told me in effect that
since OBs do immediate cord clamping routinely, it is normal - and when I
pointed out his flawed logic - he went silent...

A "blind-trust-in-doctors" pregnant woman named Amy E. Austin appeared...

See Cord clamping horror (part 2) What is Amy's agenda?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/
misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/d50e9f3f531c1188

I am so glad the Bradley Method educated you about letting the cord stop
pulsating.

Good luck.

Sincerely,

Todd

PS1 Could you tell me if your Bradley Method Student Workbook pictures a
delivery position called "the Bradley Classic" (semisitting)? Semisitting
delivery closes the birth canal up to 30% - like dorsal lithotomy.

PS2 I am taking the liberty of answering you publicly, concealing your name
and email address.




----- Original Message -----
From: "E"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: cord blood collection



Dear Dr. Gastaldo,
I was doing a google search on the subject of cord blood collection and
clamping when I came across your exchange in the MedKB forum. [probably
misc.kids.pregnancy or misc.kids.breastfeeding - TG]
I have always been interested and excited about collecting my babies cord
blood for donation to the public bank. My hospital does not participate
in any program, but I was able to find an indpendent blood bank that has
sent a collection kit at no charge and my doctor has agreed to perform the
collection.
We are now taking Bradley birth classes and I have learned of the benefits
of waiting until the cord has stopped pulsing before cutting/clamping. I,
of course, don't want to detract from my babies health for the benefit of
the donation. The instructions included with the kit call for clamping as
soon as possible. I would like to include my own instructions in my birth
plan so that I can achieve both of my goals. Is there any information you
can give me to help with this?

Thank you,
E

NO CLAMPING: BABY DIDN'T BREATHE FOR 9 MINUTES! WOW!

See below...

"Richard" wrote in message
...
Todd Gastaldo wrote:
YAY BRADLEY METHOD!

"E" just wrote to me:

"We are now taking Bradley birth classes and I have learned of the
benefits
of waiting until the cord has stopped pulsing before cutting/clamping..."

YAY!



"E" wrote further:

"The instructions included with the [cord blood collection] kit call for
clamping as soon as possible."

BOO CORD BLOOD COLLECTION COMPANY!


"E" still wants to donate her baby's cord blood:

"I would like to include my own instructions in my birth plan so that I
can
achieve both of my goals."



"E" asks: "Is there any information you can give me to help with this?"



Fwiw, we waited until Micaela's cord stopped pulsing *AND* collected cord
blood *AND* were able to obtain a sufficient sample. The little munchkin
still got 9 APGARs for cyanic hands.

Richard
Micaela's dad

Richard,

Obviously, little Michaela's cyanic hands have since "pinked up" and 9
APGARs sounds pretty darn good.

Still, I would not have allowed clamping with any part of my baby still
cyanic.

I would have kept everything warm.

In 1957, Mavis Gunther, MD reported a case where cord and baby were kept
warm and cord pulsating went on for 20 minutes.

Dr. Morley exclaimed regarding Dr. Gunther's case:

"Figure 1 is a recording of a placental transfusion [3] obtained by placing
the newborn at the level of the placenta, wrapped in a warm blanket, on a
recording scales. It was obviously not a typical birth - the cord pulsated
for 19 minutes, the placental transfusion (cord closure) was completed after
20 minutes, and the child started crying about ten minutes after birth!"

And then...

"During the first nine minutes...[t]here is no record of it breathing during
this time..." [Gastaldo remarks - WOW!]

Finally...

"Weight variation, INFLUENCED BY UTERINE CONTRACTIONS, indicates that a
virtual tidal wave of placental blood flow was adequately oxygenating the
child in the absence of any obvious lung function." (emphasis
added)...Marked vertical 'activity' lines occur at the height of UTERINE
CONTRACTION/TRANSFUSION PEAKS..." (emphasis added)

Dr. Morley discussing Gunther M. The Transfer of
Blood Between the Baby and the Placenta. Lancet 1957;I:1277-1280.
http://www.cordclamping.com/cry.htm

As I wrote to "E"...

Your birth plan should clearly indicate what retired obstetrician George
Malcom Morley, MB ChB FACO indicates:

DO NOT CLAMP UNTIL THE CORD HAS STOPPED PULSATING AND MY BABY IS PINK AND
BREATHING AND NOT IN NEED OF RESUSCITATION.

My thanks to Canadian grandmother Donna Young for calling my attention to
the immediate cord clamping child abuse.

Todd

PS 1957 - the year Mavis Gunther, MD reported her remarkable case - was also
the year that Borell and Fernstrom demonstrated radiographically (albeit
indirectly) that semisitting and dorsal delivery close the birth canal - up
to 30% it turns out.

Thank you for the advice!

The Bradley work book does show the semi-reclined position (I think you
are talking about the "squat" at 45 degrees - right?). It is one of
about 10 positions they show. I don't have the work book with me, but
I believe the "Classic" postion is a side lying one.


Thanks again,
"E"

"egpeach" wrote in message
oups.com...
Thank you for the advice!


Quite welcome.

The Bradley work book does show the semi-reclined position (I think you
are talking about the "squat" at 45 degrees - right?). It is one of
about 10 positions they show. I don't have the work book with me, but
I believe the "Classic" postion is a side lying one.


Thanks again,
"E"


Dear "E" -

The semi-reclined position - woman on her sacrum closing her birth canal up
to 30% - *used* to be the Bradley "Classic."

I am most interested to know if Bradley Method has adopted side-lying as the
new Bradley "Classic."

Todd

Dr. Morley's info is relevant to Richard's "examined her cord closely"
comment...

So I put Richard's responses back in context.

Dr. Morley's info is AMAZING.

See below.


Fwiw, we waited until Micaela's cord stopped pulsing *AND* collected cord
blood *AND* were able to obtain a sufficient sample. The little munchkin
still got 9 APGARs for cyanic hands.

Richard
Micaela's dad

Richard,

Obviously, little Michaela's cyanic hands have since "pinked up" and 9
APGARs sounds pretty darn good.

Still, I would not have allowed clamping with any part of my baby still
cyanic.

[Richard] I examined her cord closely; it was completely still with no
evidence of
blood flow.

[Todd] Sounds good. But then again - it looks like you've got to watch the
cord for over a minute to catch a uterine contraction of the placenta...
See the Morley URL below - the graph.

I would have kept everything warm.

[Richard] We did, and, as you suggested, her hands did 'pink up' quickly.

[Todd] Oh - cool - her hands pinked up BEFORE you clamped.

[Richard] Fwiw, Lily labored almost entirely on her knees (leaning against
the head of
the birthing bed, which was raised), and delivered on her side, right into
my
hands (I learned why the term "catch" is used to describe the action of
welcoming a newborn -- once her second shoulder was born, she popped out!).

[Todd] Lily gave little Michaela the "extra" up to 30% - BRAVO!


In 1957, Mavis Gunther, MD reported a case where cord and baby were kept
warm and cord pulsating went on for 20 minutes.

Dr. Morley exclaimed regarding Dr. Gunther's case:

"Figure 1 is a recording of a placental transfusion [3] obtained by placing
the newborn at the level of the placenta, wrapped in a warm blanket, on a
recording scales. It was obviously not a typical birth - the cord pulsated
for 19 minutes, the placental transfusion (cord closure) was completed after
20 minutes, and the child started crying about ten minutes after birth!"

And then...

"During the first nine minutes...[t]here is no record of it breathing during
this time..." [Gastaldo remarks - WOW!]

Finally...

"Weight variation, INFLUENCED BY UTERINE CONTRACTIONS, indicates that a
virtual tidal wave of placental blood flow was adequately oxygenating the
child in the absence of any obvious lung function." (emphasis
added)...Marked vertical 'activity' lines occur at the height of UTERINE
CONTRACTION/TRANSFUSION PEAKS..." (emphasis added)

Dr. Morley discussing Gunther M. The Transfer of
Blood Between the Baby and the Placenta. Lancet 1957;I:1277-1280.
http://www.cordclamping.com/cry.htm

As I wrote to "E"...

Your birth plan should clearly indicate what retired obstetrician George
Malcom Morley, MB ChB FACO indicates:

DO NOT CLAMP UNTIL THE CORD HAS STOPPED PULSATING AND MY BABY IS PINK AND
BREATHING AND NOT IN NEED OF RESUSCITATION.

My thanks to Canadian grandmother Donna Young for calling my attention to
the immediate cord clamping child abuse.

Todd

PS 1957 - the year Mavis Gunther, MD reported her remarkable case - was also
the year that Borell and Fernstrom demonstrated radiographically (albeit
indirectly) that semisitting and dorsal delivery close the birth canal - up
to 30% it turns out.