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  #11  
Old February 24th 08, 06:38 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
Greegor
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk

On Feb 24, 9:46*am, Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote:

I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what
was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first
place?
All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn
out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not
abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these
children would not be in foster care.


You must be unaware that children can be removed to foster care not
because of abuse or neglect... but because of the potential for abuse
or neglect.

And at least one state can remove children because someone files a
petition that the parent or parents are overwhelmed by caring for
their children.


Actually the "at risk of" category is HUGE.

Think of the absurdity of removing kids who
are "at risk of" neglect or abuse and placing
them in Foster Care which statistically
places the kids "at risk of" neglect and abuse.

Ron and (LindaLouMom)'s lame argument is
basically like when somebody says their own
poop doesn't stink.

A few people actually dare to present the
absurdity that theirs stinks less than others.

Some Fosters play this
"Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare."
thing like it's some kind of excuse.

Fortunately there is a growing number of Foster Carers
who refuse to be idealogical puppets for the agencies.

The old "Do as we say or we'll cut you off" game
isn't working as well as it used to for the agencies.
  #12  
Old February 25th 08, 06:17 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk

I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and
watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because
the system refuses to take the children.
My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo
months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she
went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and
took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They
visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or
two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born
toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the
children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have
had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to
powder formula when making a bottle)
I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a
teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any
financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom
calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell
them I love them. WHATEVER!!

In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed
by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear
things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed?
NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him
talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and
called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to
learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to
her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises.

I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio
the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much
harm to the children.

  #13  
Old February 25th 08, 02:10 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk

On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote:
I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and
watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because
the system refuses to take the children.


A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of
the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die.

My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo
months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she
went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and
took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They
visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or
two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born
toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the
children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have
had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to
powder formula when making a bottle)
I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a
teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any
financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom
calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell
them I love them. WHATEVER!!


Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support.


In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed
by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear
things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed?
NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him
talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and
called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to
learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to
her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises.

I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio
the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much
harm to the children.


You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class
family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it
should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see
the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most
horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact
with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood
perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then
perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove.
And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for
the children.

You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and
down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these
kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home
as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they
are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get
adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the
system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them
are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't
need.

There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S.
foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the
nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found
that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca
27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated
33% were receiving public assistance
37% had not finished high school
50% were unemployed

*Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support

Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than
children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental
problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in
school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that
about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional
problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young
people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills,
perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster
care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have
lower educational attainment than the general population.

*Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support

80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system.

*National Association of Social Workers

Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they
are in their own homes.

*National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN)

Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more
often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all
child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a
relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population
between children in the general population versus children in foster
care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general
population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state
care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of
fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the
general population of children. By this standard, there should have
been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care,
however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting)

*CPS Watch Inc.
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Old February 25th 08, 07:02 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk

It's a freakin' miracle the agency has not made a case
on the kids she described, particularly given that they
get bonus money for doing it!

If true, you should file for child support against
all of the parents involved AND the state.

Medicaid for the kids taken in?

Do you really think these kids have no living relatives?

You could also launch a case about child abandonment,
both against the CPS agency and the parents.

Do you honestly think this is typical of what CPS agencies do?

By the way, have you considered the possibility that
CPS might turn around and remove all of the
kids, yours and theirs, and accuse you
of child neglect or abuse?

Seems like the unthinkable doesn't it?

But it's happenned.

The behavior of CPS agencies is genuinely schizophrenic
because while they fail to protect kids in obvious
danger, large masses of kids are removed without
the legally required "imminent danger", more of a
nit-picky or "political expediency" objective.

Those jammed up caseloads they always whine about
when they want MONEY are not jammed up with
obvious cases like what you describe.

Instead they work to "make cases" where they
should not. For a parent to disrespect the CPS
workers is viewed as worse than actual child abuse.
They're such morons they even report this ""crime""
to the court as if it is a basis to make a case!
(It's NOT!)

There just aren't enough kids abandoned as you
describe those, to keep the huge bureaucracy
funded at the level to which they are accustomed.

What's REALLY peculiar about LindaLouMom
is that she describes how the system failed
thse kids, and yet she holds out the Foster
Care system as saintly. WHY is that??

She described how it did NOT help those kids
yet justifies the same system that failed them??
Wierd.

It's more like her whole goal is to puke on
parents in general.

Teacher?
The "aire of superiority" exists in some teachers.
  #15  
Old February 25th 08, 11:53 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk


"Greegor" wrote in message
...
On Feb 23, 4:40 pm, "Ron" wrote:
"LK" wrote in message

...
On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote:





I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what
was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first
place?
All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn
out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not
abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these
children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest
with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who
commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to
jail...


Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not
make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect
them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation.
What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality
that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy
targets such as poor.
Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on
ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com


We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do
seem to have issues with facts dont you. Not to fear, there are more than
eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for
everyone. The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the
child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again
if
the parents had not failed the children would not be in care.

Ron


Is there a miniumum IQ requirement for people wanting to be Fosters?

In WHAT way are the parents responsible
for horrible child abuse at the hands OF THE SYSTEM?

The argument is really sick.

If a kid was removed for the neglect because
of a messy house, how are those parents
responsible when the kids get their heads
bashed in in foster care?

The concepts involved are well beyond your ability to comprehend gregg, as
you have proven so many times in the past. But, once again I'll try and
clarify it a bit for you. I have no hope of success, but at least I know
that going in.

Lets use you as an example. It might help you to understand. Lisa's child.
If she were to be abused while she is in care (6 years now is it?), you
would bear some responsibility for that abuse, since without your original
abuse of her she would not be IN care and therefore not in the situation.
Get it?

Ron


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Old February 26th 08, 12:17 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk


"LK" wrote in message
...
On Feb 23, 5:40 pm, "Ron" wrote:
"LK" wrote in message

...
On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote:

I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what
was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first
place?
All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn
out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not
abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these
children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest
with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who
commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to
jail...


Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not
make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect
them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation.
What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality
that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy
targets such as poor.
Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on
ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com



Ron buddy. Long time no see.

*Same, new job, been real busy.

We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do
seem to have issues with facts dont you.


No more then you do with the truth.

*Ahh, truth vs facts. We have discussed that here before (not you and I,
but I and others), and as usual I dont expect the concept to get through to
anyone who cannot face the facts.

Not to fear, there are more than
eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for
everyone.


Nobody's perfect.

*Agreed.

The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the
child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again
if
the parents had not failed the children would not be in care.


Tell me again how that relieves this foster parent from responsibility
for his own actions?

*It does not. Nor does it releave the parets from their original abuse or
some level of responsibility for all of the abuse that results from their
original actions.

Ron


You forgot your tag line.

*Got a new computer system for Christmas, just have not added it back in
yet. Not to sure I will to be honest, getting a bit tired of all the
jerking off with pangborn and his followers (read as "Leaches") so I dont
know if I will be getting back into those conversations. I'm a busy puppy
these days, and the new schedule is far beyond bizzare. Thats the price one
pays for advancement I suppose.

Ron



  #17  
Old February 26th 08, 12:20 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk


"LK" wrote in message
...
On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote:
I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and
watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because
the system refuses to take the children.


A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of
the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die.

My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo
months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she
went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and
took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They
visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or
two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born
toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the
children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have
had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to
powder formula when making a bottle)
I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a
teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any
financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom
calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell
them I love them. WHATEVER!!


Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support.


In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed
by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear
things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed?
NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him
talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and
called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to
learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to
her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises.

I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio
the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much
harm to the children.


You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class
family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it
should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see
the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most
horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact
with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood
perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then
perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove.
And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for
the children.

You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and
down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these
kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home
as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they
are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get
adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the
system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them
are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't
need.

There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S.
foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the
nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found
that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca
27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated
33% were receiving public assistance
37% had not finished high school
50% were unemployed

*Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support

Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than
children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental
problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in
school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that
about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional
problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young
people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills,
perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster
care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have
lower educational attainment than the general population.

*Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support

80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system.

*National Association of Social Workers

Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they
are in their own homes.

*National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN)

Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more
often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all
child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a
relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population
between children in the general population versus children in foster
care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general
population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state
care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of
fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the
general population of children. By this standard, there should have
been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care,
however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting)

*CPS Watch Inc.


Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be
verified.

Ron


  #18  
Old February 26th 08, 01:38 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk

On Feb 25, 4:53*pm, "Ron" wrote:
"Greegor" wrote in message

...
On Feb 23, 4:40 pm, "Ron" wrote:





"LK" wrote in message


...
On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote:


I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what
was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first
place?
All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn
out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not
abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these
children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest
with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who
commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to
jail...


Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not
make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect
them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation.
What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality
that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy
targets such as poor.
Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on
ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com


We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do
seem to have issues with facts dont you. Not to fear, there are more than
eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for
everyone. The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the
child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again
if
the parents had not failed the children would not be in care.


Ron


Is there a miniumum IQ requirement for people wanting to be Fosters?

In WHAT way are the parents responsible
for horrible child abuse at the hands OF THE SYSTEM?

The argument is really sick.

If a kid was removed for the neglect because
of a messy house, how are those parents
responsible when the kids get their heads
bashed in in foster care?

The concepts involved are well beyond your ability to comprehend gregg, as
you have proven so many times in the past. *But, once again I'll try and
clarify it a bit for you. *I have no hope of success, but at least I know
that going in.


Lets use you as an example. *It might help you to understand. *Lisa's child.
If she were to be abused while she is in care (6 years now is it?), you
would bear some responsibility for that abuse, since without your original
abuse of her she would not be IN care and therefore not in the situation.
Get it?


If there was REAL child abuse why do you think they
didn't take it into criminal court?

The sham courts that remove kids are NOT up to
the legal standards they should be.

You think such a sham court removal makes
it OK for a Foster to engage in actual CRIMINAL
child abuse?
  #19  
Old February 26th 08, 01:45 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
Greegor
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk

*Got a new computer system for Christmas, just have not added it back in
yet. *Not to sure I will to be honest, getting a bit tired of all the
jerking off with pangborn and his followers (read as "Leaches") so I dont
know if I will be getting back into those conversations. *I'm a busy puppy
these days, and the new schedule is far beyond bizzare. *Thats the price one
pays for advancement I suppose.


Ronald Van Dyne of Omaha got promoted to what?
Head baby stealer?
  #20  
Old February 26th 08, 04:48 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
LK
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Default Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk

On Feb 25, 6:17*pm, "Ron" wrote:
"LK" wrote in message

...
On Feb 23, 5:40 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"LK" wrote in message


...
On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote:


I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what
was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first
place?
All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn
out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not
abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these
children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest
with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who
commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to
jail...


Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not
make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect
them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation.
What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality
that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy
targets such as poor.
Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on
ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com


Ron buddy. *Long time no see.

*Same, new job, been real busy.




We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you do
seem to have issues with facts dont you.


No more then you do with the truth.

*Ahh, truth vs facts. *We have discussed that here before (not you and I,
but I and others), and as usual I dont expect the concept to get through to
anyone who cannot face the facts.


Ron buddy, Here's the problem with your facts. They are written and
interpreted in order to serve and support a particular point of view.
They are not at all objective.

They mention how many kids they suspect were maltreated they mention
the various types of maltreatment suspected. They leave out other
relevent factors. For example, they count some children more then
once. If a child was reported more then once in that particular year,
that kid was counted twice. They don't tell you how many households
abuse has taken place in, because that would be a smaller number,
because some of these kids have siblings. So if 899,000 kids were
substantiated as abused, the number of abusers or households where
abuse had taken place would be compairatevely smaller based on the
number of children in a household. It is relevent because we should
be told how many abusers are out there. Also your facts state that
50.3% of abused children were girls and 47.7% were boys. That adds up
to 98% of abused children being boys or girls. What is the other two
percent? Based on 230 foster kids in 15 years, you should have seen
at least 4.6 of these by now.



Not to fear, there are more than
eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for
everyone.


Nobody's perfect.

*Agreed.


What about you Ron?

The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the
child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again
if
the parents had not failed the children would not be in care.


Tell me again how that relieves this foster parent from responsibility
for his own actions?

*It does not. *


Then what are you jumping in for with your bull****? What the parent
did to the child is irrelevent at this point. We are suspecting that
as a teacher lindalou or whatever her name is, would be able to see
these things that you and your extremest pro-cps views refuse too.

Nor does it releave the parets from their original abuse or
some level of responsibility for all of the abuse that results from their
original actions.


The parent looses responsibility for what happens to the kid when they
loose the kid. The state takes over the responsibility for what
happens to the kid while they have control of the kid. It's as simple
as that Ron. If the parents are responsible for the kid entering
foster care then fine. They are responsible for the kid being in
foster care. Not what happens to the kid in foster care. If the
foster parent shakes the kid and the kid is harmed from being shaken
by that foster parent, the foster parent is responsible for shaking
the kid. The real parent didn't shake the kid, nor did the real
parent choose the foster parents that the kid was shaken by. That was
the state who chose that foster parent for that child to be shaken
by.

Ron


You forgot your tag line.

*Got a new computer system for Christmas, just have not added it back in
yet. *Not to sure I will to be honest, getting a bit tired of all the
jerking off with pangborn and his followers (read as "Leaches") so I dont
know if I will be getting back into those conversations. *I'm a busy puppy
these days, and the new schedule is far beyond bizzare. *Thats the price one
pays for advancement I suppose.

Ron


So what are you like the great leader of all the foster parents now?
 




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