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LaVonne, where art thou?
"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Kane, these are not "describing the family setting". These are indicators, which CPS caseworkers use, complete with a "points system" to score the likelihood of abuse. Many states use such lists. Some such lists have become public when they were subpoena'd in law suits. Very few states have made such lists public, because even the caseworkers are ashamed of some of the items on the list. Actually I recently found a number of these "lists" on the internet. And if you know anyone who's gotten their CPS caserecords you can get a copy of the indicators list from them. The likelihood becomes a prejudice, a presumption. As you should know, the presumption in Juvenile Court is guilty. (Which even the state's statistics show to be very wrong!) "The state's statistics?" Got a link or citation to go with your claim? Dan discovered recently how the stats about bone breaks have been twisted and even mythologized by the caseworkers. More likely the CWs learned to twist the facts by their supervisors who got it from the gov attnies that CPS uses. "The DR.states the symptoms are consistent with sexual abuse," was written into my case record by the CW when I was accused of molesting my daughter. Yet the police who were investigating me along with CPS were told by the same caseworker that the Dr. found no evidence of molestation... and they closed the case against me. It's a good thing I got a copy of the police records from the DA's office. At the time my attny had said, "Why bother if they closed the case?" Look what it turned up! That the prevailing presumptions that most caseworkers have been using about bone breaks being inherently ABUSE were false. That the majority of families found guilty were not. That the majority accused were though to be caught dead to rights. That the CPS train was WAY off the track and HAD BEEN for quite a few years after exculpatory information showed that the presumption of guilt bone breaks WAS FALSE. And all that is why I surf the net looking for the truth. Look at the info about shaken baby syndrome that just got posted.. The report Dan recently discovered even points out that many of the children removed forever and adopted based on the FALSE PRESUMPTION were later proven INNOCENT, but of course the system has NO WAY to reverse itself and right the evil the system discovered it had done. Nobody visited the adopted child to inform them "Oh, by the way, remember your evil parents we TPR'd? We just discovered that they were falsely convicted. We are SO SORRY that we did such a horrible wrong to you and your family." The system intended to right wrongs, refuses to right the wrongs the system itself perpetrated even when the proof is shoved in their faces. As evil as a tobacco company coverup, they bury the facts, hush up the discovery and deny everything. Keep in mind, this is PART OF THE GOVERNMENT, behaving like a greedy Enron, MCI or Tobacco company, shredding as much as possible, denying everything, etc. When I read that bone breakage report and saw where the doctor discovered that XX kids adopted out for abuse were found later to be not abused but simply ill with a bone condition that fooled the fools. Why WAS it, (IS it in many cases) that caseworkers who do NOT have the credentials to properly judge bone breaks to be child abuse were (are) SO RIGHTIOUS and ""KNOW"" that it was child abuse? Unfortunately there are many doctors (radiologists for ex) who claim that they can tell from an x-ray if a bone was broken accidentally or non-accidentally. Why do caseworkers PRETEND at having medical credentials, psychology credentials, etc?? Why do they PRETEND they have such amazing professional training? Didn't DAN HIMSELF point out that caseworkers get pathetically little training, and almost NEVER actually see the montrously huge manual that is supposed to guide them? Somebody said that they get only about 10 days of training with only a few PARTS of the manual. That was what I discovered. Dan says you rushed off to send the bone break discovery to various Child Protection authorities. Actually Kane said that himself. Is that true and how did it go, Kane? BTW, Greg, if Kane and I are pro-CPS and anti-family why do I do the research that you mentioned and why does Kane send the info I uncover to all the CPS' to show them that the facts and statistics they base so many of their determinations and petitions on are mistaken??? Is that what Dennis is talking about? Is that what CPS is supposed to be paying me for? Dan |
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LaVonne, where art thou?
"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... If Ron was under the same CPS microscope parents get put under, those labels would become a case. Well, lets see here greg. You have been investigated once, right? I have been investigated 5 times, and each and every time I have been cleared of any wrong-doing. That means that I am 5 wins and no losses. You, are 0 and 1. Lets also look at how often I have had my background checked, shall we? Every 2 years for the last 13 as a minimum. Gee, that makes it 6 at the very least. Add into that the adoption background checks, and I am closing in on a full 10. Lets talk microscopes, shall we? I get visited by caseworkers once a month for every case in my home, plus an adoption caseworker, 2 visitation workers per child per week, 1 treatment aid per child per week, 1 to 2 weekly threapy sessions with mandatory reporters per child (either in-home, or out), 1 GAL visit per month per child, one CASA visit per month per child, and of course the odd drop in of either a caseworker or a bio-parent. So, adding that all up it seems that I have someone turning that microscope in my direction just about every other day. And have had for the last 13 years. I think I understand that microscope, and am far more familiar with it, that you. The average parent has about a .5% chance of ever coming into contact with that microscope. The average foster parent, 100% chance per month. Yeah, I think we know what its like greg. The problem is that your one time experience is about like the kid that played baseball once, got hit by the ball, and hates the game for the rest of his life and never plays again. A GROWN MAN so into Role Playing Games that he posts his photo and calls himself a "Practice NAZI in training"? You play Role Playing games all the time greg. You pretend you are innocent. You pretend you have been a parent. You pretend that you know something of the law. You pretend that you can train cats. Hmmm, well if you cant do a job its always nice to pretend isn't it. This is a veritable BONANZA of possible "indicators". CPS Caseworkers mark farmers down for 1. Living "too far out of town" 2. Slaughtering animals 3. Owning firearms (despite gun safe) 4. Hunting 5. Dirty environment You think a guy can call himself a NAZI in any form and not get attention? The only attention it has drawn so far is from flakes like you greg. Honest people don't bother with it, they understand the context it is used in. Somehow that seems to bypass the reasoning portions of your brain and goes right to the area that controls your sphincter. And the pervy come here quote sounds like some perv luring a child. Maybe these are innocent, maybe NOT, but then number 1-5 above are used as indicators without any common sense involved. Longer "indicator lists" like that exist and are kept pretty hush hush. They "get out" every once in awhile, when subpoena'd for example. Many of the items are MUCH MORE REDICULOUS than 1-5 above. Welcome to the world of slimey innuendo. CPS has it refined to an art. They learned it from the best greg, abusive individuals like yourself. You cant work in the dirt without getting a little on you. Think about that, dipstick. Ron One of the FIRST questions they ask is about your religious orientation. And remember that in that recent bogus ("CPS sucks" - Dan) case in COLORADO, they removed the child because they decided the mother was being "secretive". It's the modern inquisition, the crucible. |
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LaVonne, where art thou?
Jerry Seinfeld had a character in his TV show called the Soup Nazi.
I believe the SN was an actual person in NYC. Was he as much a 'Nazi" as Ron??? How do you determine which is more serious, soup or a computer game that takes place in the year 3057? The soup we can taste now... 3057? I guess we'll just have to wait. Dan |
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LaVonne, where art thou?
Well, the Soup Nazi did not call himself that.
Ron on the other hand named himself that. Love the picture Ron. Now I know why you referred to me as little. With a picture like that you've got a lot of nerve to make comments to ME about couch sitting. Geez, is that what donuts did? Do you qualify as disabled yet? Or heading there? |
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LaVonne, where art thou?
"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Well, the Soup Nazi did not call himself that. Ron on the other hand named himself that. The PRACTICE Nazi. Love the picture Ron. Now I know why you referred to me as little. With a picture like that you've got a lot of nerve to make comments to ME about couch sitting. What does Ron's picture have to do with you sitting on the couch? Geez, is that what donuts did? Get yer ass stuck to the couch, Greg? Do you qualify as disabled yet? Why would you think that? When was the last time you were unable to work, Greg? Or heading there? Startin a club, Greg? Dan |
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