Molestation: Fondling Geoghan sent to jail for

(Kane) wrote:

snip O' whole crock O' r r r r r ar-r-rested development

Kane, better known as the one that can't help LMAO at such ditwads. r
r r r r r

Nah, K'9, better known as "ditwad" that publicly admits at Usenet that
he actually put babies in a "shower" and then dangled his penis in front
of their faces:
http://tinyurl.com/lq9i

Gotta read it to believe it, I guess.

--
Dennis

wrote in message
...
(Kane) wrote:

snip O' whole crock O' r r r r r ar-r-rested development

Kane, better known as the one that can't help LMAO at such ditwads. r
r r r r r

Nah, K'9, better known as "ditwad" that publicly admits at Usenet that
he actually put babies in a "shower" and then dangled his penis in front
of their faces:
http://tinyurl.com/lq9i

Gotta read it to believe it, I guess.

Is this the admission that you're referring to, Dennis?

"I know I stopped taking showers with both my kids on the day either of
them said, pointing, "What's that daddy." Seems a good indicator. They
were under two years old, and the first awareness of "differences"
were showing up."

Where's the part where Kane (and I'm quoting YOU, Dennis), "publicly
admits... he actually put babies in a shower and then dangled his penis in
front of their faces?"

It doesn't exist.

You're lying AGAIN, Dennis!

Kane didn't say his children's recognition took place in the shower OR that
he "dangled his penis in front of their faces.".

He simply says he stopped taking showers with them when, "They were under
two years old, and the first awareness of "differences" were showing up."

Is this how the National Organization of CPSWatch wants the Illinois State
Director of CPSWatch to act?

Falsefying and twisting statements into outright lies... just as CPS does?

Is this how you think CPSWatch wants the public to view them???

Not as an organization who helps people by exposing the lies CPS tells, but
by being idiots, lowering themselves to CPS' level, and lying just like
them???

Please resign ASAP.

You ARE an embarrassment.

--
Dennis

Dan

Actually, I seem to have missed a conversation...the one about showering
with the kids, etc.

..I've heard that repeated over many times but I don't know the
circumstances.

Let me add this... I also don't know why we, as a society, are so fearful of
nudity. There was a time school showers were mandatory... until some mother
complained that her son was too shy to shower with other boys. One school
board after another decided showers were not to be mandatory.

The YMCA required nude swimming.. until the women's movement decided they
wanted to use the MEN'S facilities.

Skinny-dipping was considered to be fun... but today I'm afraid we'd all be
arrested.

However, in public (private) nudist resorts you will find kids of all ages
running around bare-ass naked with their brothers, sister, parents and
relatives... and, of course, strangers.

Then we talk about being nude in the privicy of our own homes... and nudity
becomes a different topic. It's illegal, wrong, improper, etc. and both the
police and CPS will be knocking (breaking down) your door.

bobb

On 30 Aug 2003 22:23:06 GMT, wrote:

(Kane) wrote:

snip O' whole crock O' r r r r r ar-r-rested development

Kane, better known as the one that can't help LMAO at such ditwads.
r
r r r r r

Nah, K'9, better known as "ditwad" that publicly admits at Usenet that
he actually put babies in a "shower" and then dangled his penis in front
of their faces:
http://tinyurl.com/lq9i

Gotta read it to believe it, I guess.

Gotta read it in context to understand it, I guess.

Kane said:

"Exactly what is your relationship to the child?

When do you think real daddies stop allowing nudity around their
children or of their children as a matter of course? And most
especially their female children.

I know I stopped taking showers with both my kids on the day either of
them said, pointing, "What's that daddy." Seems a good indicator. They
were under two years old, and the first awareness of "differences"
were showing up."

Neither were six years old. Even as their father I felt they have
rights to privacy, so I never stood by as towel boy to either of them.

Nor did I ever punish them with a cold shower.

So tell us, Dweeb, how did you shower your kids when they were tiny?

And make a guess how many millions of parents did it my way, why
doncha?

Dennis, you can't even work up a good insult. When are you going to
admit you are child who needs education and a bit of humility to get
it

You make a fool of yourself on a daily basis, sometimes oftener.


--
Dennis

Feelin' sorry for you, Dennis, but not enough to forget what a menace
your hubris is to families.

Between the ignorance of you and Greg together with CPS it's a damn
shame what parents have to face.

So tell us Dennis. How many, as I've asked again and again, families
have you gotten unfounded and their children back for them? Eh?

Still going to remain silent?

Kane

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:23:01 GMT, "bobb" wrote:


"Zippety Dodah" wrote in message
...
This is to Bobb,
So you think touching is not that bad. Well you may be right, but I
do
not think so. Frankly any child who is inappropriately touched by
an
adult is affected for the rest of his or her life. Bobb, I have
read a
lot of your threads and if I knew who you were I would definitely
keep
any child of mine away from you. You think that if a child is
sexually
molested that it is ok??? Do you know what it does to a child who
is
being molested by a trusted adult? It takes away all feelings of
trust,
it creates self loathing, it creates feelings of suicide, it
creates a
lifetime of the child wondering how he or she could have stopped
it.
Molestation of any child by any adult is wrong, period. The adult
who is
doing the molestation first started out by getting the child to
trust
him. Many times the child has noone to trust, often feels like
noone
loves him or her and then someone comes along who grooms him or her
for
the specific purpose of getting his jollies off. The adult then
starts
touching the child and then bribes the child with gifts or
threatens the
child with various things (such as the child or his family will be
killed if the child ever tells). I truly hope you are not this type
of
person.


Hey, Zippy. I never said it was wrong but the penality needs to fit
the
crime. Let's put is in some kinda perspective as well. If the kid
grows up
feeling kinda guilty for participating in something he now feels
uncomfortable with...so be it.

It's not limited to just guilt. Adults that were molested as children
report severe repercussion. They thought they had repressed it,
minimized it. Even tried to deny it, but it comes back to haunt them
and to disrupt their current intimate relationships.

In fact many have such low regard for themselves they live very
dangerously. A high number of street kids left home because they were
molested, often by a family member.

These kids turn to prostitution as a matter of course...they believe
their value lies in what others wish to use them for. It was taught to
them.

Mygosh, we've all done things, or said things, we kinda wish we
didn't and
feel the same kinda guitlt.

No we "all" haven't. Have you seen Greegor the Whore mention guilt or
wishing he had done things differently? I haven't.

He's not gonna either, and Dennis defends him as a nice warm loving
parent...forgetting that he tried to train a child like a dog.

Dennis claims to be and advocat for and raised his child by attachment
parenting methods. Nothing in attachment parenting supports punishment
for wetting one's self, nor treating a child like a dog.

Most of your post contains the same unsupported
claims (or rationalizations) that a boy cannot make a decision
regarding
sexual activities.

No one claims that, duffus. What they claim is that the adult, the
person in a more powerful position has the responsibility for acting
out. The child, even if they solicit the adult, is NOT the one to
blame. All kinds of reason they could be doing that, but the adult is
supposed to know better and to control him or herself.

A girl, of the same age, becomes pregnant but no one
ever suggests she will become self-loathing or ask if she could of
stopped
it.

They don't? You have just done something similar. Didn't you notice?

And of course they do. In fact they know the probablity of her having
emotional and developmental problems is very great and they say so.
People with training, who can think, know it's also true for the boy
as well.

Is not she molested as well? And, I would say, with far greater
consequences than that of a boy who was merely "touched'.

Really? How, other than pregnancy?

The imbalance is
caused by the thought of homosexuality.

Not among professionals and people that can think. That lets out a
whole slew of you ditzes here.

Hetrosexual 'molestations' are
viewed very much differently.

Oh, are they now.

The lastest cases involving school teachers
demonstrate that quite adequately.

Which ones? The heterosexual males going to jail all the time for
touching females? Mary Kay LaTourneau sitting in a cell in WA state
for all those years for having two or three kids with her underage
lover? that the different view you wish to claim?

As result, those like Geoghan really get the book thrown at them...

How many kids is he estimated to have molested?

He didn't just pat them on the butt in a coachlike manner, boobby.

while
another who committs manslaugher virtually walks away.

There are terrible inequities in the world. I don't think a lot of
murderers get off. In fact far more child molesters to for reasons
that you make very clear. Denial, minimization, ignorance, and a plain
old criminal fascist mindset.

The harm done to a
victim is not in line with the punishments.

In other words, you've done it again. The harm should be only part of
the issue...and to know the harm you have to know something about what
such actions cause. You don't know and are in deep denial of the
little that is told you.

In fact, when one considers
pregnant or molested females as an enjoined class, they receive no
justice.

Oh please.

Okay, wearily sigh give us some citations please. What exactly do
you mean by the way.

Could you be more obtuse?


bobb


Kane

"Kane" wrote in message
om...
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:23:01 GMT, "bobb" wrote:


"Zippety Dodah" wrote in message
...
This is to Bobb,
So you think touching is not that bad. Well you may be right, but I
do
not think so. Frankly any child who is inappropriately touched by
an
adult is affected for the rest of his or her life. Bobb, I have
read a
lot of your threads and if I knew who you were I would definitely
keep
any child of mine away from you. You think that if a child is
sexually
molested that it is ok??? Do you know what it does to a child who
is
being molested by a trusted adult? It takes away all feelings of
trust,
it creates self loathing, it creates feelings of suicide, it
creates a
lifetime of the child wondering how he or she could have stopped
it.
Molestation of any child by any adult is wrong, period. The adult
who is
doing the molestation first started out by getting the child to
trust
him. Many times the child has noone to trust, often feels like
noone
loves him or her and then someone comes along who grooms him or her
for
the specific purpose of getting his jollies off. The adult then
starts
touching the child and then bribes the child with gifts or
threatens the
child with various things (such as the child or his family will be
killed if the child ever tells). I truly hope you are not this type
of
person.


Hey, Zippy. I never said it was wrong but the penality needs to fit
the
crime. Let's put is in some kinda perspective as well. If the kid
grows up
feeling kinda guilty for participating in something he now feels
uncomfortable with...so be it.

It's not limited to just guilt. Adults that were molested as children
report severe repercussion. They thought they had repressed it,
minimized it. Even tried to deny it, but it comes back to haunt them
and to disrupt their current intimate relationships.

In fact many have such low regard for themselves they live very
dangerously. A high number of street kids left home because they were
molested, often by a family member.

These kids turn to prostitution as a matter of course...they believe
their value lies in what others wish to use them for. It was taught to
them.

Mygosh, we've all done things, or said things, we kinda wish we
didn't and
feel the same kinda guitlt.

No we "all" haven't. Have you seen Greegor the Whore mention guilt or
wishing he had done things differently? I haven't.

Well, then. For those who don't wish they had done things differently there
isn't any guilt or self-loathing.


He's not gonna either, and Dennis defends him as a nice warm loving
parent...forgetting that he tried to train a child like a dog.

Dennis claims to be and advocat for and raised his child by attachment
parenting methods. Nothing in attachment parenting supports punishment
for wetting one's self, nor treating a child like a dog.

Most of your post contains the same unsupported
claims (or rationalizations) that a boy cannot make a decision
regarding
sexual activities.

No one claims that, duffus. What they claim is that the adult, the
person in a more powerful position has the responsibility for acting
out. The child, even if they solicit the adult, is NOT the one to
blame. All kinds of reason they could be doing that, but the adult is
supposed to know better and to control him or herself.

I suppose if an adult really had power and control over a kid.. or even a
teacher... we wouldn't be hearing of so many behavior problems. Kids would
do what was expected of them without arguement or resistance.

Undoubtly there There were a number of priests who approached a boy but was
refused. They accepted personal responsiblity for their conduct and rejected
a priest advances.

The common assumption is that the priests were all so powerful they could
command any boy to do anything.



A girl, of the same age, becomes pregnant but no one
ever suggests she will become self-loathing or ask if she could of
stopped
it.

They don't? You have just done something similar. Didn't you notice?

And of course they do. In fact they know the probablity of her having
emotional and developmental problems is very great and they say so.
People with training, who can think, know it's also true for the boy
as well.

Is not she molested as well? And, I would say, with far greater
consequences than that of a boy who was merely "touched'.

Really? How, other than pregnancy?

Isn't pregnancy enough? A boy being 'touched' hardly reaches the level of
penetration or pregnancy.

The imbalance is
caused by the thought of homosexuality.

Not among professionals and people that can think. That lets out a
whole slew of you ditzes here.

Maybe professionals see things a bit differently but it's public opinon that
really counts.


Hetrosexual 'molestations' are
viewed very much differently.

Oh, are they now.

The lastest cases involving school teachers
demonstrate that quite adequately.

Which ones? The heterosexual males going to jail all the time for
touching females? Mary Kay LaTourneau sitting in a cell in WA state
for all those years for having two or three kids with her underage
lover? that the different view you wish to claim?

As result, those like Geoghan really get the book thrown at them...

How many kids is he estimated to have molested?

He didn't just pat them on the butt in a coachlike manner, boobby.

while
another who committs manslaugher virtually walks away.

There are terrible inequities in the world. I don't think a lot of
murderers get off. In fact far more child molesters to for reasons
that you make very clear. Denial, minimization, ignorance, and a plain
old criminal fascist mindset.

The harm done to a
victim is not in line with the punishments.

In other words, you've done it again. The harm should be only part of
the issue...and to know the harm you have to know something about what
such actions cause. You don't know and are in deep denial of the
little that is told you.

Oh come on now. Woman are gropped, grabbed, and patted all the time. Yes,
there are a few who complain loudly and legally but the are far more who
accept it as a fact of life.


In fact, when one considers
pregnant or molested females as an enjoined class, they receive no
justice.

Oh please.

Okay, wearily sigh give us some citations please. What exactly do
you mean by the way.

Could you be more obtuse?


bobb


Kane

"bobb" wrote in message
link.net...

Oh come on now. Woman are gropped, grabbed, and patted all the time.
Yes,
there are a few who complain loudly and legally but the are far more who
accept it as a fact of life.

WOW!!!

That's not what I'm teaching my kids.

Where do you live, Bobb?

Best, Dan

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:32:57 GMT, "bobb" wrote:


"Kane" wrote in message
. com...
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:36:06 GMT, "bobb"
wrote:


"Kane" wrote in message
. com...
On 29 Aug 2003 03:14:59 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Bobb has some good points and some bad points on this.
Dan has some good points and some bad points on this.

Aren't you the least embarrassed sitting in judgement on others
from
your high couch throne?

Bobb is defending the "fondler" more than I like, while I think
his comments about the real world vs. the laws are on target.

Who cares what you like. You have the mind and manners of a
criminal.
Bobb isn't far behind. We make laws or a purpose. We have a
system.
If
you don't like the laws quit whining like just another prison
inmate
and change them.

Apparently we aren't alone.

Of course not. But you do just sit on your ass and whine. These
other
people seem to be doing something about it. The system works, boob,
despite your attempts to claim it doesn't.

In the meantime you defend the status quo while we 'whine' by
pointing out
the injustices.

Still can't read, can you? All I've done is point out two things. That
isn't "defending" them, just pointing them out.

One is that this society does NOT, apparently, want to make it too
easy to disrupt the more normal development of children, and there are
systems for changing laws already in place.

And you do whine. Unless you can show that you have used some of those
systems.

I've mentioned the media. Do you write are call and make known your
displeasure and what you think are injustices? A free "press" is our
guarantee that those in power will have a more difficult time hiding
their goals, intent, and actions.

Or do you think USENET is the media? r r r

And, like others, we get accused of defending the
offender.. which is not the case at all.

I think you are feeling a little guilty. Good.

I haven't made such a claim against you by the way. What I have said
is that you are ignorant of research on the subject, that you are even
more ignorant of the long and short term effects sexual abuse of
children has on them, and you are guilty of minimizing hurting
children.

No big deal. You've picked the right company to spout your nonsense
in.

If you wrote a letter to the editor you'd have pickets around your
house and you know it. You have excellent survival instincts
though...to confine yourself to Usenet.


Previous grand juries in the article cited
agree with us.

Did I mention to you that you can stop babbling about the system
not
working now?

That leaves you somewhat alone, Kane.

Great logic. The same as being a little bit pregnant.

I'm not "alone", boob. I simply pointed out that we have recourse,
as
opposed to your catasrophizing. And in spite of it.

The fact is, there
are people trying to change current law and the injustices need to
be
pointed out.

Have you written your letter to the editor this week, with a CC to
your congress critter, and state legislator?

No response. I thought so.



You can vote despite your being a lazy good for nothing slug
that
is
living off his girlfriend and her daughter.

Or is it possible you can't vote, hmmmm?

His point about the relative HARM done is something that I
think
gets totally lost in the hysteria.

Bull****. It just makes clear his and your ignorance of human
development and what this society says it want's for our
children,
and
how we expect people to raise them.

I do not feel one bit sorry
for the priest.

You are all over the place, little waffler. Just suckin' up to
the
lurkers and your butt buddies.

I hope Bobb agrees that he was an adult and
should have known better. The perv HAD TO be aware of the
MORAL,
RELIGIOUS and CRIMINAL lines he crossed. That's why he gets no
sympathy from me.

Yet you think there was too much penalty, right?

You been suckin' the hookah again?

The outrageous hypocrisy here is a classic.

Well then, reform yourself.

It even brings up the old discussion about celibate priests as
a hypocrisy that should be done away with.

Bull****. If it is part of their belief and commitment then
that's
their business and the business of their church. Plenty of men
and
women take vows of celibacy and keep them for life. Grow up.

Celibates also make
lousy family counselors, being in a world apart, supposedly
pure!
Ha!

I recall, when I broke my leg, asking the doctor as he was
reading
the
exray and preparing to set my leg and cast it, if he'd ever had
a
broken leg before. He said no. I jumped right up and left that
hospital, I did.

Took me three weeks to find a doctor that had had lots of bones
broken
himself.

I agree with Bobb's points about the teens being pervs in their
own right completely aside fromthe priest, and their willingly
going back to it, covering it up, etc.

Children are busy developing in many ways. One of those is
psychosexually. What they are exposed to and what they do and
who
they
do it with is part of that.

The text books are replete with evidence that many child
molesters
themselves had traumatic experiences around the time of the age
of
victims they pick. Sometimes it was them being molested.

Actually, such a statement is a distortion of fact.

Bull****. I discuss these issues frequently with keepers of said
molesters in the state slammer, called a hospital. You KNOW what
kind
of hospital.

Sexual activity in the
cited age group is common throughout the world and is not thought
to
be
'traumatic' in any sense of the word.

You'll notice I made no such claim. Children aren't traumatized by
exploring their sexuality and I said so. They are if others force
them
or even seduce them that are inequitable in power over them.

No comment I see.


They are introduced to sexual behavior and responses that they have
little to no frame of referance for making their own decisions
about
their exploration. Hence, they are abused and it shows in their
later
behavior. Ask the string of hookers you solicit if they were
molested
as children.

No comment I see. Shall I assume you are wising up?


You are also seeing the age of
consent being reduced to age 15 and 16... including the USA.

Citations please.

Let's see if you provide a citation or just go off on another flight
of fancy.


Minors still cannot be held to legal contracts. What is it in your
state?

We weren't talking about contractal law.. so don't changed the
subject.


Don't forget,
everyone said the same thing about those under 21 a not so long
ago.

Nope, the age of consent for sex used to be 21... we weren't talking
about
drinking or voting.

You must be a hundred years old then. Before my time. The age of
consent was 16 in my day.

And I mentioned drinking and voting because you appeared to have them
confused with age of consent for sex.

You don't remember the term "jailbait"?


That's the drinking age and voting age. What has that to do with
this
issue. It's still the same in most states, by the way.

The age of consent when I was 15 was 16, and I could hardly wait.
It
was a looooooooooong time ago. Where do you come up with these
silly
bits of nonsense.

Don't forget, kids as young as 13 are considered responsible for
their
criminal behavior and for the decision they made.

Now there is something I've made myself heard in the statehouse on.
They are NOT held to the same standard as adults in my state and
most
others. 15 is the age that happens in some states.

The US Supreme court decided at age 13 a child should understand his
Miranda
rights...
and they are fully capable of understanding the charges against
them and of defending themselves.

Citation please.

I've noticed, in my long life, that the USSC has been, on occasion,
badly mistaken. Haven't you?

Consider. A child cannot be licensed to drive an automobile, truck,
bus, or even a motorcycle over the public roads in this country. Now
why is that I wonder?

Some people understand teens better than the USSC, apparently.

At what age do you think teens no longer consider themselves immortal?

Notice the huge number of kids that make perfectly wonderful safe
decisions about sex, drugs, and doing crime, in this country and tell
me the USSC was right?

In fact you should be celebrating that the Supreme Court has had the
same vision and wisdom you do, on occasion.

Someone certainly has to
ask why they cannot make decisions for what they do with their
body
as
well.... at least when discussing consent.

Because before they are 18 they may not possess a handgun without
adult supervision? Same thing goes for other dangerous tools...r r
r r

Do you seriously think a child of 15 or 16 has the maturity to
conduct
a sex life without some societal limitations? Consider one of the
worst problems...disease. They can kill themselves.

Yep...but those issues are said to be resolved through school sex
education.

r r r r sure they are.

You seem abysmally ignorant. I just got through saying that society
believes in putting limitations on teens. You just pointed out a
societal method of doing so....public school education.

Are you really this dim?

snip.................

I don't want to turn this into a political discussion but it seems
Bushy
baby relied on the same false information Cocky Clinton.

What do you mean you don't want to turn this into a "political
discussion?" It was already. Laws related to behaviors of teens IS a
political issue.

But no, what you did was not turning "this into a political
discussion," it was diversion and misdirection by changing the subject
to a strawman argument.

Right out of the blue you popped up with:

" Even Bush baby hasn't made very popular
decisions yet some consider him a leader.. while other do not.
"

Stop the silliness.

Clinton knew when
to quit

He did? Oh sure.

Depends on what "is" is.

while Bush forged ahead.

On the contrary. Bush has stopped a number of times and been roundly
criticized for it. Stop the silliness.

We didn't go into Syria, or Lebonon, and frankly I'm ****ed at Bush
and company for NOT doing so. One of of those countries has the WMD
we've been looking for. Recent intelligence reports made public shows
a site and actions preceeding and since our liberation of Iraq that
makes it clear to all but the dim they are or were recently in Bekka
Valley. Look it up.

snip........................


I won't insult you further today. You've done as fine a job on
yourself as I could have hoped to have done.

Best wishes, Kane

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:53:47 GMT, "bobb" wrote:

The harm done to a
victim is not in line with the punishments.

In other words, you've done it again. The harm should be only part of
the issue...and to know the harm you have to know something about
what such actions cause. You don't know and are in deep denial of
the little that is told you.

Oh come on now. Woman are gropped, grabbed, and patted all the
time. Yes, there are a few who complain loudly and legally but the are
far more who accept it as a fact of life.

Why should women accept this as a fact of life, bobb?

I don't run in circles where this is the norm, thank heavens, but if
men did start groping me, they would get a swift kick where it
hurts. Unfortunately most women are still brought up to accept
that men have power over their bodies and that we have to accept
that. We don't.




--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
Outer Limits

"toto" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:53:47 GMT, "bobb" wrote:

The harm done to a
victim is not in line with the punishments.

In other words, you've done it again. The harm should be only part of
the issue...and to know the harm you have to know something about
what such actions cause. You don't know and are in deep denial of
the little that is told you.

Oh come on now. Woman are gropped, grabbed, and patted all the
time. Yes, there are a few who complain loudly and legally but the are
far more who accept it as a fact of life.

Why should women accept this as a fact of life, bobb?

I don't run in circles where this is the norm, thank heavens, but if
men did start groping me, they would get a swift kick where it
hurts. Unfortunately most women are still brought up to accept
that men have power over their bodies and that we have to accept
that.

I don't or actually HOPE that's not true.

We don't.

Pass it on...

Best, Dan