CS related licene suspension question...

I was wondering about this the other day...

What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you didn't
live there) could issue an order to another state (where you live) to
suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal?

It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's "right" to
drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's children, etc..)
would be a gross violation of the a person's right to work and a whole host
of other things.

Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license to
drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a big deal for
someone living in a major city, public transportation is practically on
every other street corner. But say, you don't live in a major (hell, even a
minor) city and you commute several miles to get to work. What do you do
then?

The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license suspended
because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to drive 20 - 25
miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell, maybe a lot more) and
back. What do you do?

Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to pick you
up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's gonna get old real
fast.

What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing (yeah,
yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can pay your CS,
but you can't drive to get there so you're about to loose your job...
forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the cost). And forget busses.
Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive anyway? And what happens if you get
caught driving without your license? What then, other then watch your car
get towed to the impound lot, do you do?



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Dusty wrote:
I was wondering about this the other day...

What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you
didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you
live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal?

It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's
"right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's
children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right
to work and a whole host of other things.

Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license
to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a
big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is
practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in
a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to
get to work. What do you do then?

The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license
suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to
drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell,
maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do?

Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to
pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's
gonna get old real fast.

What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing
(yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can
pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to
loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the
cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive
anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your
license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the
impound lot, do you do?

The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough
kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For
people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For
those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or
the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In
fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are
purportedly trying to help.

I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about
what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other
choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they
got impounded, but I'd keep driving.

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Always borrow money from a pessimist, he doesn't expect to be paid back.
~Author Unknown

"The Dave©" wrote in message
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Dusty wrote:
I was wondering about this the other day...

What if.. a state that a person had a CS order/issue with (but you
didn't live there) could issue an order to another state (where you
live) to suspend your drivers license? And if so, how is that legal?

It seems to me to be an extreme step. To with-hold a person's
"right" to drive (i.e.; get to work, the grocery store, see one's
children, etc..) would be a gross violation of the a person's right
to work and a whole host of other things.

Think of it.. you wake up tomorrow morning and find that your license
to drive is no more. How do you get to work? This would not be a
big deal for someone living in a major city, public transportation is
practically on every other street corner. But say, you don't live in
a major (hell, even a minor) city and you commute several miles to
get to work. What do you do then?

The way I see it is kinda like this... You have your license
suspended because CSE says you're in arrears of X amount, you need to
drive 20 - 25 miles to get to work (maybe less, maybe more.. hell,
maybe a lot more) and back. What do you do?

Sure, you could ask a co-worker to drive an additional few miles to
pick you up and drop you off - every day. But we all know that's
gonna get old real fast.

What can a person do, legally speaking, to fight this sort of thing
(yeah, yeah, "get a lawyer")? You need to keep your job, so you can
pay your CS, but you can't drive to get there so you're about to
loose your job... forget taking cabs back and forth (because of the
cost). And forget busses. Do you say "what the f*ck" and drive
anyway? And what happens if you get caught driving without your
license? What then, other then watch your car get towed to the
impound lot, do you do?

The taking of Driver's Licenses sounds good in a sound-bite get-tough
kind of way, but it makes absolutely zero sense, as you point out. For
people who *won't* pay, I could care less what happens to them. For
those who *can't* pay, this does absolutely nothing to help them, or
the kids. (It is about the "best interests of the kids", right?) In
fact, all it does is make the situation worse for those they are
purportedly trying to help.

I've never been faced with this situation, but I have thought about
what I'd do if I were. I'd keep driving. Simple as that. The other
choices would pale in comparison. I'd buy cheap cars just in case they
got impounded, but I'd keep driving.

Yes, I agree. I'd keep driving too. But what to do when they arrest you...

In that sort of scenario, I'm thinking that Mexico (or even farther south)
would be a good place to go... but I digress..

The very idea of making things so difficult for NCPs that to they even
contemplate heading south of the boarder is obscene in and of itself. To
make the payment of CS so very difficult for those that can barely (and by
this I mean those that the courts have driven from their children's lives by
incredible CS amounts) keep a roof over their heads is in-your-face
insanity.

What where these idiots in the legislator thinking when they passed these
insane laws such-as depriving someone the ability of getting to work on
their own??? It just makes absolutely no sense at all.

But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear
to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been) some
sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked?

I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I
wonder...

"Dusty" wrote in message
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But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear
to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been)
some
sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked?

Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege afforded
to you by the State.

I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life,
liberty
and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I
wonder...

One's right to travel can be limited by the State...think "being out on
bond" when a magistrate can command you not to leave the state.

One's right to travel in the U.S. has been secured by the Courts, but not
one's right to travel OUTSIDE of the US borders.

Read my next posting...just hit the AP.

Editor - Child Support News wrote:
Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege
afforded to you by the State.

Right, but that's a ****-poor excuse to purposely place obsticles that
really do nothing but hinder people from even having a realistic chance
of doing what the court has told them they need to do.

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Whose cruel idea was it to put an 's' in the word lisp?

It's fully 90% of my work, traveling the states. Ruining my credit and
canceling my credit cards in one fell swoop made it damned hard to run a
business or to travel.
They get to do whatever in Hell they want to do. It's another good
reason to weigh heavily where you place your votes. See if the guys you
voted for voted for this. If they did, don't vote for them again.

"The Dave©" wrote in message
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Editor - Child Support News wrote:
Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege
afforded to you by the State.

Right, but that's a ****-poor excuse to purposely place obsticles that
really do nothing but hinder people from even having a realistic chance
of doing what the court has told them they need to do.

--
Whose cruel idea was it to put an 's' in the word lisp?

It's fully 90% of my work, traveling the states. Ruining my credit and
canceling my credit cards in one fell swoop made it damned hard to run a
business or to travel.
They get to do whatever in Hell they want to do. It's another good
reason to weigh heavily where you place your votes. See if the guys you
voted for voted for this. If they did, don't vote for them again.

"The Dave©" wrote in message
...
Editor - Child Support News wrote:
Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege
afforded to you by the State.

Right, but that's a ****-poor excuse to purposely place obsticles that
really do nothing but hinder people from even having a realistic chance
of doing what the court has told them they need to do.

--
Whose cruel idea was it to put an 's' in the word lisp?

It's fully 90% of my work, traveling the states. Ruining my credit and
canceling my credit cards in one fell swoop made it damned hard to run a
business or to travel.
They get to do whatever in Hell they want to do. It's another good
reason to weigh heavily where you place your votes. See if the guys you
voted for voted for this. If they did, don't vote for them again.

"The Dave©" wrote in message
...
Editor - Child Support News wrote:
Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege
afforded to you by the State.

Right, but that's a ****-poor excuse to purposely place obsticles that
really do nothing but hinder people from even having a realistic chance
of doing what the court has told them they need to do.

--
Whose cruel idea was it to put an 's' in the word lisp?

I agree completely.

"The Dave©" wrote in message
...
Editor - Child Support News wrote:
Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege
afforded to you by the State.

Right, but that's a ****-poor excuse to purposely place obsticles that
really do nothing but hinder people from even having a realistic chance
of doing what the court has told them they need to do.

I agree completely.

"The Dave©" wrote in message
...
Editor - Child Support News wrote:
Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege
afforded to you by the State.

Right, but that's a ****-poor excuse to purposely place obsticles that
really do nothing but hinder people from even having a realistic chance
of doing what the court has told them they need to do.