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CS related licene suspension question...
"Pamela" wrote in message hlink.net... I never respond to this stuff, but you know, I don't think taking a person's license for failure to provide for his children is extreme. I have an ex who has not paid child support for years, may see his daughter whenever he wants, makes a great income, and cheats and steals his way through life. Taking his driver's license away seems a rather amusing way to wake him up. More I think about it, the more I like it. We teach our children that there are consequences to what we do. Perhaps, ex's who disregard the health and welfare of their children ought to be taught the same lesson. I got a huge lesson in what children think about these types of legal proceedings against fathers from my daughter. Her mother tried to tell her all the bad stuff happening to her dad was created by the state. My daughter was very direct in telling her mom, the reason the state is taking those actions against dad is because you ask them to do it. The mothers who hide behind the state's legal processes just don't get how much the children understand about the process. |
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"Editor - Child Support News" wrote in message
... "Dusty" wrote in message ... But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been) some sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked? Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege afforded to you by the State. I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I wonder... One's right to travel can be limited by the State...think "being out on bond" when a magistrate can command you not to leave the state. And if your children live out of state? What then? Pretend that the state line does a "drop 'n drag" and follows you into the next state while you visit your kids? Sounds of just too much traveling in and around "Indian Country" to me... I wonder just how many cops are willing to look the other way, or flat out ignore the law (with the idea that the law is asinine to begin with). And on that note.. just how many are more then willing to make life even more miserable for the beatdead NCP.. One's right to travel in the U.S. has been secured by the Courts, but not one's right to travel OUTSIDE of the US borders. OK, so let's stay inside the lines then.. What sort of "securing" of the right to travel inside the states did the courts do? Any examples? Would this case-law be of use in defeating extra-state orders and used (for lack of a better term) in regaining one's DL? Don't mind me, just getting single-minded on this issue. Kinda like picking at a scab... finding loop-holes in CSE's enforcement armor (not that it's all that difficult, just hard to find decent arguments to use in court) and use it in court to defeat the draconian measures that CSE takes to financially ruin NCPs... and thereby crush them at their own game. So, I'm gonna keep pickin' at this scab for a while yet... until I find a way to heal it or it kills me. |
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"Editor - Child Support News" wrote in message
... "Dusty" wrote in message ... But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been) some sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked? Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege afforded to you by the State. I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I wonder... One's right to travel can be limited by the State...think "being out on bond" when a magistrate can command you not to leave the state. And if your children live out of state? What then? Pretend that the state line does a "drop 'n drag" and follows you into the next state while you visit your kids? Sounds of just too much traveling in and around "Indian Country" to me... I wonder just how many cops are willing to look the other way, or flat out ignore the law (with the idea that the law is asinine to begin with). And on that note.. just how many are more then willing to make life even more miserable for the beatdead NCP.. One's right to travel in the U.S. has been secured by the Courts, but not one's right to travel OUTSIDE of the US borders. OK, so let's stay inside the lines then.. What sort of "securing" of the right to travel inside the states did the courts do? Any examples? Would this case-law be of use in defeating extra-state orders and used (for lack of a better term) in regaining one's DL? Don't mind me, just getting single-minded on this issue. Kinda like picking at a scab... finding loop-holes in CSE's enforcement armor (not that it's all that difficult, just hard to find decent arguments to use in court) and use it in court to defeat the draconian measures that CSE takes to financially ruin NCPs... and thereby crush them at their own game. So, I'm gonna keep pickin' at this scab for a while yet... until I find a way to heal it or it kills me. |
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"Editor - Child Support News" wrote in message
... "Dusty" wrote in message ... But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been) some sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked? Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege afforded to you by the State. I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I wonder... One's right to travel can be limited by the State...think "being out on bond" when a magistrate can command you not to leave the state. And if your children live out of state? What then? Pretend that the state line does a "drop 'n drag" and follows you into the next state while you visit your kids? Sounds of just too much traveling in and around "Indian Country" to me... I wonder just how many cops are willing to look the other way, or flat out ignore the law (with the idea that the law is asinine to begin with). And on that note.. just how many are more then willing to make life even more miserable for the beatdead NCP.. One's right to travel in the U.S. has been secured by the Courts, but not one's right to travel OUTSIDE of the US borders. OK, so let's stay inside the lines then.. What sort of "securing" of the right to travel inside the states did the courts do? Any examples? Would this case-law be of use in defeating extra-state orders and used (for lack of a better term) in regaining one's DL? Don't mind me, just getting single-minded on this issue. Kinda like picking at a scab... finding loop-holes in CSE's enforcement armor (not that it's all that difficult, just hard to find decent arguments to use in court) and use it in court to defeat the draconian measures that CSE takes to financially ruin NCPs... and thereby crush them at their own game. So, I'm gonna keep pickin' at this scab for a while yet... until I find a way to heal it or it kills me. |
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"Editor - Child Support News" wrote in message
... "Dusty" wrote in message ... But I put this to you.. What sort of legal action could one bring to bear to fight such draconian practices? Could there be (or has there been) some sort of Constitutional argument against such non-sense? Has it worked? Unfortunately, you don't have the right to drive...it's a privilege afforded to you by the State. I'm thinking that one has the right to travel.. the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. could this be an argument used in court? I wonder... One's right to travel can be limited by the State...think "being out on bond" when a magistrate can command you not to leave the state. And if your children live out of state? What then? Pretend that the state line does a "drop 'n drag" and follows you into the next state while you visit your kids? Sounds of just too much traveling in and around "Indian Country" to me... I wonder just how many cops are willing to look the other way, or flat out ignore the law (with the idea that the law is asinine to begin with). And on that note.. just how many are more then willing to make life even more miserable for the beatdead NCP.. One's right to travel in the U.S. has been secured by the Courts, but not one's right to travel OUTSIDE of the US borders. OK, so let's stay inside the lines then.. What sort of "securing" of the right to travel inside the states did the courts do? Any examples? Would this case-law be of use in defeating extra-state orders and used (for lack of a better term) in regaining one's DL? Don't mind me, just getting single-minded on this issue. Kinda like picking at a scab... finding loop-holes in CSE's enforcement armor (not that it's all that difficult, just hard to find decent arguments to use in court) and use it in court to defeat the draconian measures that CSE takes to financially ruin NCPs... and thereby crush them at their own game. So, I'm gonna keep pickin' at this scab for a while yet... until I find a way to heal it or it kills me. |
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Pamela wrote:
I never respond to this stuff, but you know, I don't think taking a person's license for failure to provide for his children is extreme. I have an ex who has not paid child support for years, may see his daughter whenever he wants, makes a great income, and cheats and steals his way through life. Taking his driver's license away seems a rather amusing way to wake him up. More I think about it, the more I like it. We teach our children that there are consequences to what we do. Perhaps, ex's who disregard the health and welfare of their children ought to be taught the same lesson. Differentiate "won't pay" and "can't pay". For those who are trying, it just makes the problem worse. The kids are the ones who end up suffering the most. Supposedly, we're trying to avoid that. -- Whose cruel idea was it to put an 's' in the word lisp? |
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Pamela wrote:
I never respond to this stuff, but you know, I don't think taking a person's license for failure to provide for his children is extreme. I have an ex who has not paid child support for years, may see his daughter whenever he wants, makes a great income, and cheats and steals his way through life. Taking his driver's license away seems a rather amusing way to wake him up. More I think about it, the more I like it. We teach our children that there are consequences to what we do. Perhaps, ex's who disregard the health and welfare of their children ought to be taught the same lesson. Differentiate "won't pay" and "can't pay". For those who are trying, it just makes the problem worse. The kids are the ones who end up suffering the most. Supposedly, we're trying to avoid that. -- Whose cruel idea was it to put an 's' in the word lisp? |
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CS related licene suspension question...
Pamela wrote:
I never respond to this stuff, but you know, I don't think taking a person's license for failure to provide for his children is extreme. I have an ex who has not paid child support for years, may see his daughter whenever he wants, makes a great income, and cheats and steals his way through life. Taking his driver's license away seems a rather amusing way to wake him up. More I think about it, the more I like it. We teach our children that there are consequences to what we do. Perhaps, ex's who disregard the health and welfare of their children ought to be taught the same lesson. Differentiate "won't pay" and "can't pay". For those who are trying, it just makes the problem worse. The kids are the ones who end up suffering the most. Supposedly, we're trying to avoid that. -- Whose cruel idea was it to put an 's' in the word lisp? |
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CS related licene suspension question...
Pamela wrote:
I never respond to this stuff, but you know, I don't think taking a person's license for failure to provide for his children is extreme. I have an ex who has not paid child support for years, may see his daughter whenever he wants, makes a great income, and cheats and steals his way through life. Taking his driver's license away seems a rather amusing way to wake him up. More I think about it, the more I like it. We teach our children that there are consequences to what we do. Perhaps, ex's who disregard the health and welfare of their children ought to be taught the same lesson. Differentiate "won't pay" and "can't pay". For those who are trying, it just makes the problem worse. The kids are the ones who end up suffering the most. Supposedly, we're trying to avoid that. -- Whose cruel idea was it to put an 's' in the word lisp? |
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"Pamela" wrote in message
hlink.net... I never respond to this stuff, but you know, I don't think taking a person's license for failure to provide for his children is extreme. I have an ex who has not paid child support for years, may see his daughter whenever he wants, makes a great income, and cheats and steals his way through life. OK, try this one for size (mind the subtle sarcasm).. NCP -can't- pay the ordered amount because it's way more then the NCP earns (include the fact that the economy sucks and NCP has had little luck in retaining work in the profession of choice). Because of the already existing restrictions placed upon NCP, NCP can't see the children much beyond every few months. NCP makes just barely enough to cover -basic- expenses (food, gas, phone, etc..), so there's very little left over for yachting excisions to the Mediterranean with Trophy Wife/Husband #5... Taking his driver's license away seems a rather amusing way to wake him up. More I think about it, the more I like it. I find the idea of license suspension hardly amusing at all. How is this in the best interest of any NCPs children? How does this help CSE get what they want, that being the NCPs wallet/purse? We teach our children that there are consequences to what we do. Perhaps, ex's who disregard the health and welfare of their children ought to be taught the same lesson. The same can (and often is) said of CSE agencies that overstep their bounds - but far too often hide from their actions with "I was only following orders"... |
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