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Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
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Roger Schlafly wrote: "Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" wrote I am making the following assumptions, which, are reasonable to rational people: ... You are also assuming that the subjects were not addicted. Maybe they were and maybe they weren't. The study only says that they all failed to get off the drugs when given the opportunity. You tried to draw conclusions about ritalin not being addictive. The opposite conclusion is more likely. As usual, you assert something is more likely without having any basis for assigning probabilities. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) |
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message t... "Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" wrote I am making the following assumptions, which, are reasonable to rational people: ... You are also assuming that the subjects were not addicted. Maybe they were and maybe they weren't. The study only says that they all failed to get off the drugs when given the opportunity. Is that your definition of "addictive"? Does that mean that, oh, women on birth control pills are addicted to them because they refuse to stop taking them "when given the opportunity"? That those on antihistimines are addicted? (These are two examples that came to mind--there are many more, I am sure). shaking head Buny |
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Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
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Jon Quixote wrote: "Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et... "Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" wrote I am making the following assumptions, which, are reasonable to rational people: ... You are also assuming that the subjects were not addicted. Maybe they were and maybe they weren't. The study only says that they all failed to get off the drugs when given the opportunity. No, the study says that they continued to avail themselves of the drugs when given the option. "After 7 days they had the option of stopping the medication or continuing for 3 more weeks. All the patients reported that the drug helped and all chose to continue taking it." Can you even get addicted to a substance in 7 days? I recall reading that even heroin takes a couple of weeks. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) |
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Ritalin Helps Beat Cancer Fatigue
"JG" wrote in message .. . "PF Riley" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:52:32 GMT, "JG" wrote: We seem to give quite a bit of leniency towards cancer patients when it comes to giving them drugs. And well we should. How idiotic is it to tell someone with a terminal illness what the heck he can/can't put in his body?!? nodding I would much rather my father be able to take the morphine needed to manage his pain than to be in extreme pain for the last few weeks of his life. The morphine allowed him to be able to enjoy the last few weeks of his life (in the hospital) and to be able to interact with those of us family memebers and friends that were there with him to say goodbye. Because of the morphine, he was not hallucinating or delerious with pain, but lucid and "him"...my last memories of my father are of the man I had known my whole life, not a miserable suffering wreck... I will note that the dosage was constantly monitored, so as to be high enough to relieve pain, but not so high as to induce delerium... Buny |
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"JG" wrote
I agree. There's *nothing* to indicate that the users weren't addicted, and, while the fact they (all!) chose to continue taking it isn't proof of addiction, it, at least, can be used to support that conclusion. Mark can read just about any ritalin study, and conclude that it shows that ritalin is not addictive. Well, it doesn't show that. All the studies are consistent with the notion that ritalin is addictive. |
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"David Wright" wrote
But note that they sued the feds to get their attention. They were not being prosecuted. They were free to grow marijuana for their own consumption anyway. But not free from the concern that the Feds would prosecute them anyway. Yes, they were. The feds do not prosecute medical marijuana patients who are growing for their own consumption. Never. |
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"SumBuny" wrote
You are also assuming that the subjects were not addicted. Maybe they were and maybe they weren't. The study only says that they all failed to get off the drugs when given the opportunity. Is that your definition of "addictive"? ... No, but it is a good clue when we are discussing mind-altering drugs. |
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message t... "JG" wrote I agree. There's *nothing* to indicate that the users weren't addicted, and, while the fact they (all!) chose to continue taking it isn't proof of addiction, it, at least, can be used to support that conclusion. Mark can read just about any ritalin study, and conclude that it shows that ritalin is not addictive. Well, it doesn't show that. All the studies are consistent with the notion that ritalin is addictive. You have two errors there. Ritalin is NOT addictive when taken as prescribed. Ritalin IS addictive when abused. Now, show me *one* study demonstrating that either statement is wrong. Just one, Roger. ONE. Uno. I will not hold my breath. |
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"David Wright" wrote in message m... In article , Jon Quixote wrote: "Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et... "Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" wrote I am making the following assumptions, which, are reasonable to rational people: ... You are also assuming that the subjects were not addicted. Maybe they were and maybe they weren't. The study only says that they all failed to get off the drugs when given the opportunity. No, the study says that they continued to avail themselves of the drugs when given the option. "After 7 days they had the option of stopping the medication or continuing for 3 more weeks. All the patients reported that the drug helped and all chose to continue taking it." Can you even get addicted to a substance in 7 days? I recall reading that even heroin takes a couple of weeks. I believe that there are a few substances which can be so addictive that 7 days is way too long. However, MPH has never been shown to be addictive when taken as prescribed. Research studies show that the oral use of the medication does not have the same physiology response as when it is snorted, or injected. The physiological response in those circumstances is the same for cocaine and heroin. Roger refuses to recognize this, and plays his childish wordgames whenever a study or article comes along which shows a benefit for this medication. |
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"SumBuny" wrote in message news:hbnEb.4656$Fg.4562@lakeread01... "Roger Schlafly" wrote in message t... "Marciosos6 Probertiosos6" wrote I am making the following assumptions, which, are reasonable to rational people: ... You are also assuming that the subjects were not addicted. Maybe they were and maybe they weren't. The study only says that they all failed to get off the drugs when given the opportunity. Is that your definition of "addictive"? Does that mean that, oh, women on birth control pills are addicted to them because they refuse to stop taking them "when given the opportunity"? That those on antihistimines are addicted? (These are two examples that came to mind--there are many more, I am sure). How about that diabetic who is addicted to insulin, by Roger's standard? Or the cardiac patient who is addcitied to the beta-blocker because he does not want to experience another heart attack? shaking head Shake Roger's head, as soon as he removes it from his thinking cavity. |
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