A Plant's Motivation?

And I afraid to debate with Doan because I just can't!!! That is
why I am avoiding him for over 11 weeks now! ;-)

Doan

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote:

Greg,

I do not work for the state of MN, as an employee or as a contractor. I
have never worked for the state of MN as either an employee or as a
contractor. I have a teaching license in Early Childhood Education and
Early Childhood Special Education. I taught both disciplines for many
years. I have an undergraduate degee in Child Development, a Master's
Degree in Earch Childhood Special Education, and a Ph.D. in Early
Childhood Educatiohn/Early Childhood Special Education. I worked for
many years in child care. I worked in special education. I now teach
graduate courses at the University of Minnesota for students who are
enrolled in the ECE/ECSE licensure program.

This is why I acted like Fern was a liar about my connection to CPS.
She was a liar, Greg.

LaVonne

Greg Hanson wrote:

LaVonne?
Do you work directly for the state of MN or as a contractor?
Why did you act like Fern was a liar about your connection
to CPS?

Are you an heir to a large family estate?

So even though you work for the U of MN you say you
don't work for the state of Minnesota?

That's a good one LaVonne.

As a former student of a STATE UNIVERSITY in MN,
I think you're getting a little carried away with
the ""independence"" of the U of M.

The more you heap on those kinds of credentials
the more I think you're in La La land, ivory tower
academia disconnected from reality.
The zeal, the cause, the esprit d'corps, the latent hippies.
Ah Minneapolis radicalism... How IS Jim McGuire?

Ah, Minnesota, Land of 10,000 BUREAUCRATS sharing a brain.
Also known as Land of 10,000 taxes.
Only state besides DC to go for Mondale, and just barely.
The power of massive bureaucracy.
Like they'd vote for their own pay cuts?

Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away.
The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant
woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she
provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my
liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a
conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over
themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman
that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the
opposite of a SERVICE to society.

As for MY situation, which you brought up in Dan's style,
I should remind you that the SOCIAL WORK definition of family
is considerably BROADER than the courts, and that courts
have often been decades behind reality as society changes.

That said, Yes, My family had a child removed.

Kind of slow on the uptake aren't you?
Don't bother to READ, because you're an expert! He he (cough)

Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate?

Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation
rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty.

None of that eh?

Might have made you seem less like you were being
self-serving as in serving your industry.
Less economic incentive to be loyal to your paycheck.

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...

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The more you heap on those kinds of credentials
the more I think you're in La La land, ivory tower
academia disconnected from reality.

A good education disconnects people from reality?

You want LaVonne to smoke some weed, Greg?

The zeal, the cause, the esprit d'corps, the latent hippies.
Ah Minneapolis radicalism... How IS Jim McGuire?

Ah, Minnesota, Land of 10,000 BUREAUCRATS sharing a brain.
Also known as Land of 10,000 taxes.
Only state besides DC to go for Mondale, and just barely.

So what?

The power of massive bureaucracy.
Like they'd vote for their own pay cuts?

This from a guy who's chosen to be unemployed for three years!

Why didn't you get a job after the little girl was removed, Greg?

Who are you a stay-at-home dad for?

Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away.
The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant
woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she
provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my
liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a
conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over
themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman
that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the
opposite of a SERVICE to society.

What do ya think those people would say if they knew what you did to the
little girl and what you were doing now?

Are you sponging off society or have ya narrowed it down to the little
girl's mother?

As for MY situation, which you brought up in Dan's style,
I should remind you that the SOCIAL WORK definition of family
is considerably BROADER than the courts, and that courts
have often been decades behind reality as society changes.

The reality is that many live-in boyfriends are responsible for the
maltreatment of the children in the house.

They are leeches who slip into a home, dominate everyone in the family for
as long as they possibly can, and then move on when their girlfriend finally
comes to her senses (either on her own or with the encouragement of CPS and
Fam Ct) and decides she can't tolerate it anymore.

Your girlfriend hasn't been to court enough, Greg.

I imagine it's gonna go on for years... but you don't care.

In the meantime you're livin on Easy Street.

That said, Yes, My family had a child removed.

Yeah, right.

And yer gonna marry the mother as soon as the little girl can attend the
ceremony.

2012?

2013?

I got my tux on reserve.

Kind of slow on the uptake aren't you?

The only one who doesn't get it, Greg, is YOU!

Don't bother to READ, because you're an expert! He he (cough)

Try bonging it, Greg.

Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate?

Why?

Do ya want to move in with LaVonne if she is?

Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation
rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty.

Where'd ya get this, Greg?

None of that eh?

Might have made you seem less like you were being
self-serving as in serving your industry.
Less economic incentive to be loyal to your paycheck.

"Paycheck???"

I'm surprised you still know what they're called, Greg.

Dan

This from a guy who's chosen to be unemployed for three years!
Why didn't you get a job after the little girl was removed, Greg?
Who are you a stay-at-home dad for?

I refuse to answer that question under the 5th Amendment to the
US Constitution, on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate me.

That new law against taking a sabbatical is a real killer.

Do you think they'll apply it to trust fund babies and
people who get a lot of royalties? Gotta make them work?
Gosh, pushing back retirement age was a drag, now this!

Do you have a cite for that law, Dan?

Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away.
The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant
woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she
provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my
liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a
conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over
themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman
that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the
opposite of a SERVICE to society.

What do ya think those people would say if they knew
what you did to the little girl and what you were doing now?

Hey Dan! You found some ALLIES THERE!
When they're not throwing bowling balls through plate
glass windows at the military recruiters office, as
part of the Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League..

Or protesting styrofoam burger pods in a big rant
in front of a McDonalds headquarters..

Jim is a "professional protester".

I'm REALLY very concerned about what they think! NOT.

Are you sponging off society or have ya narrowed
it down to the little girl's mother?

I am Deuce Bigelow. Got my "mangina" working great.

No, not getting any welfare, Dan.
Do you know what a sabbatical is?

The reality is that many live-in boyfriends
are responsible for the maltreatment of the
children in the house.

That is a statistic.
Presumption or PHOBIA based on that is truly evil.

It would be like saying that since black people
commit a lot of crime you are going to presume
them all guilty.

And we HAVE covered this before, Dan.
Did you forget?

Foster care providers have TWO unrelated adults,
so would have TWICE the risk due to this effect!

Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives.
That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the
state legislature here with that logic.

They are leeches who slip into a home, dominate
everyone in the family for as long as they possibly
can, and then move on when their

Sounds like CHILD PROTECTION so far.

girlfriend finally comes to her senses (either on
her own or with the encouragement

encouragement? Nice word choice.
Are you painting smiley faces on atom bombs again?

Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate?
Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation
rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty.

Where'd ya get this, Greg?

Minneapolis Star and Tribune, circa late 1980's

"Paycheck???"
I'm surprised you still know what they're called, Greg.

Is your employer so backward they don't use EFT?

(Greg Hanson) wrote in message . com...
This from a guy who's chosen to be unemployed for three years!
Why didn't you get a job after the little girl was removed, Greg?
Who are you a stay-at-home dad for?

I refuse to answer that question under the 5th Amendment to the
US Constitution, on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate me.

Of course.

That new law against taking a sabbatical is a real killer.

I don't recall that law. I do recall what society thinks of men that
sponge off women though.

If you can work, work. If you can't, admit it.

Do you think they'll apply it to trust fund babies and
people who get a lot of royalties? Gotta make them work?
Gosh, pushing back retirement age was a drag, now this!

So you are saying that you have a source of income adequate to take a
"sabbatical" and pay your way, hmm?

Odd that your orginal posts on this subject never mentioned that and
in fact went into long rationalizing explanations about how someone
had to stay home and care for the child and since momma had a job you
and she "decided" she'd work and you care for the child.

Haven't taken one sabbatical myself many years ago I had always
understood it to be for an opportunity to get away from the academic
scene and explore one's chosen field more fully with out the stress of
work.

So tell us, Greegor The Whore, what IS your chosen field of academic
study, hhmmmm?

And if that were the case, a sabbatical, why are you taking up the new
exciting profession of bottle and can humping for pocket money?

Methinks you are lying through your teeth, and squeezing the result
out your asshole.

Do you have a cite for that law, Dan?

Did he say it was illegal to sit on your ass in this country?

I would have sworn Dan had a take on your moral rectitude.

I know that was what I was ranting about.

Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away.
The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant
woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she
provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my
liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a
conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over
themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman
that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the
opposite of a SERVICE to society.

What do ya think those people would say if they knew
what you did to the little girl and what you were doing now?

Hey Dan! You found some ALLIES THERE!

He didn't ask to join. He just asked what even fellow lowlife's would
say.

When they're not throwing bowling balls through plate
glass windows at the military recruiters office, as
part of the Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League..

Or protesting styrofoam burger pods in a big rant
in front of a McDonalds headquarters..

Jim is a "professional protester".

My bet is they'd ask to take a seminar from you.

I'm REALLY very concerned about what they think! NOT.

Naw, you really ought to look for someone somewhere to support your
unethical cruel torture of a child.

Hey, they might go for it.

Are you sponging off society or have ya narrowed
it down to the little girl's mother?

I am Deuce Bigelow. Got my "mangina" working great.

You aren't even up to Ace Littlehigh standards.

No, not getting any welfare, Dan.

Interesting. I wonder why? Cause you can't? Momma makes too much and
is supporting your lazy ass? That will usually do it, as the welfare
folks tend to count household income and make their decisions on that.

Do you know what a sabbatical is?

I do, here teacher, over I, let me tell you.

For the rest of the world it's a PAID or unpaid break by someone that
has the resources to take off time to get a fresh unencumbered look at
his or her chosen field of study and expertise.

For you it's yet another silly, and unethical, attempt to minimize or
deny you are a freeloading little scum sack.

The reality is that many live-in boyfriends
are responsible for the maltreatment of the
children in the house.

That is a statistic.

Actually it's just a look at some data. Statistics are based on
collections of data. The data, unaddressed by statistical analysis,
shows that mothers boyfriends present a very high risk to her
children.

Studies of other primates shows that when some primate males create a
mating situation by killing the offspring of their rival. The urge my
still be buried, that competative male urge, somewhere in the limbic
reptilian portion of our brain. Fortunately most of us are civilized
and don't respond to it.

Presumption or PHOBIA based on that is truly evil.

A presumption would simply be the recognition that the odds go up in
such situations, hardly "evil" to recognize the odds. A phobia would
be neurotic at least, or pathological (crazy) at worst, but it seems
evil to assign evil to someone that doesn't care for you torturing a
child, now doesn't it.

It would be like saying that since black people
commit a lot of crime you are going to presume
them all guilty.

No, it would be like saying that a black person that just described
doing a crime to you would be even more likely to have committed a
crime.

It does not condem all black people as criminals and on perfectly
clear evidence they are not.

It does say there is a data based risk for that trend.

And we HAVE covered this before, Dan.

Could you refresh my memory? A USENET pointer would be nice.

Did you forget?

I did, honest I did. And I am having trouble picking a word to search
on. I got no results on Greg, Honest, moral, ethical...wonder what's
wrong?

Foster care providers have TWO unrelated adults,
so would have TWICE the risk due to this effect!

Couple of differences.

CPS is watching them, vetted them for behaviors rather like the ones
you exhibited, and would weed them out with your history.

The other is that foster parents are taught that the foster father
does NOT bathe the little girls without supervision, and really just
shouldn't at all. In fact they are taught not to even be alone, in
private, with them.

It protects him from false allegations, and protects the little girls
from getting cold showers to punish them. Thus reducing the chance of
them wetting themselves out of fear of the foster father.

It's all covered in the training manuals.

Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives.
That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the
state legislature here with that logic.

Really? They suggested that foster fathers would be a risk in that
way?

Well, by doggies, whodahthought.

The point is, Greegor you Whore, you have all the earmarks of a freak
trying to manipulate the situation you thrust yourself into so that
you have MORE access to the little girl naked.

Shower attendents are not needed by little girls six and up, and if
they do it had best be a lady shower attendent.

They are leeches who slip into a home, dominate
everyone in the family for as long as they possibly
can, and then move on when their

Sounds like CHILD PROTECTION so far.

Not quite. It sound's like you.

girlfriend finally comes to her senses (either on
her own or with the encouragement

encouragement? Nice word choice.

Absolutely. In most instances CPS DOES want to preserve the family,
the mother and children, and when some sick little self serving prick
comes a sliding into the family, they give the momma the chance to
handle it herself.

If she doesn't then they have to. I think they did an admirable job on
you.

It isn't just what you did, but your attitude, your minmizing, you
incapacity to see what harm you have done the child (not to mention
momma when she wakes up), and you just keep grinning.

Are you painting smiley faces on atom bombs again?

Nice metaphore. I think he is. He then drops them on people like you,
and on some in CPS, that would, as a public agency, have to have a few
just like you, morally, inside. A few bombs and they usually cave.

You on the other hand have found a deep bunker to hide out in.

Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate?
Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation
rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty.

Where'd ya get this, Greg?

Minneapolis Star and Tribune, circa late 1980's

They had articles about 2nd generation wealthy kids that were guilty?
I've known a lot of rich folks...had two businesses that catered to
them...and those kind are rare indeedy.

"Paycheck???"
I'm surprised you still know what they're called, Greg.

Is your employer so backward they don't use EFT?

So your excuse that you might not know what a paycheck looks like is
that had electronic fund transfer to your account.

It would also include, from your employer, in your hand, a piece of
paper with the entire disposition of your check, benies, insurance,
taxes, SS, and how much was deposited to your account.

Funny you didn't mention that...maybe you don't know what a pay
voucher looks like either, hhhhmmmmmmmmm?

Dan's just playing nice with you, Prick. I don't feel the need.

You are a scummy little lowlife beetle that rolled your dungball into
someone else's life and ruined it for the soul purpose of having a
soft berth for yourself.

You spend your days and nights, now there is no kid to shower, on this
ng trying to figure out ways to hide from yourself, using the
responses of others to keep you away from the mirror and your own
thoughts.

Do you have a gas stove in the mobil home?

Kane

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...
This from a guy who's chosen to be unemployed for three years!
Why didn't you get a job after the little girl was removed, Greg?
Who are you a stay-at-home dad for?

I refuse to answer that question under the 5th Amendment to the
US Constitution, on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate me.

That new law against taking a sabbatical is a real killer.

2 1/2 YEARS?????

Do you think they'll apply it to trust fund babies and
people who get a lot of royalties? Gotta make them work?
Gosh, pushing back retirement age was a drag, now this!

Where's all YOUR money comin from, Greg?

Or as long as the girlfriend pays the bills you can vegetate?

Have ya met Fern, Greg?

Do you have a cite for that law, Dan?

Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away.
The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant
woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she
provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my
liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a
conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over
themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman
that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the
opposite of a SERVICE to society.

What do ya think those people would say if they knew
what you did to the little girl and what you were doing now?

Hey Dan! You found some ALLIES THERE!

So you know they'd disapprove of your behavior.

Conservatives would too.

Most people would.

When they're not throwing bowling balls through plate
glass windows at the military recruiters office, as
part of the Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League..

Or protesting styrofoam burger pods in a big rant
in front of a McDonalds headquarters..

Jim is a "professional protester".

And you're just an amateur pervert?

I'm REALLY very concerned about what they think! NOT.

Are you sponging off society or have ya narrowed
it down to the little girl's mother?

I am Deuce Bigelow. Got my "mangina" working great.

Enjoy it while you still have it.

No, not getting any welfare, Dan.
Do you know what a sabbatical is?

The reality is that many live-in boyfriends
are responsible for the maltreatment of the
children in the house.

That is a statistic.
Presumption or PHOBIA based on that is truly evil.

Why is that?

It would be like saying that since black people
commit a lot of crime you are going to presume
them all guilty.

And we HAVE covered this before, Dan.
Did you forget?

And I have pointed out that we know what you did to the little girl.

No assumptions have to be made.

Foster care providers have TWO unrelated adults,
so would have TWICE the risk due to this effect!

Aren't foster parents evaluated before they can foster?

I believe you've been avoiding an eval for almost three years now, Greg.

Something to hide?

Take the fifth.

Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives.
That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the
state legislature here with that logic.

Was that in the papers?

They are leeches who slip into a home, dominate
everyone in the family for as long as they possibly
can, and then move on when their

Sounds like CHILD PROTECTION so far.

girlfriend finally comes to her senses (either on
her own or with the encouragement

encouragement? Nice word choice.
Are you painting smiley faces on atom bombs again?

Hey, you're still there WITH all the encouragement of the Court's and CPS.

Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate?
Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation
rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty.

Where'd ya get this, Greg?

Minneapolis Star and Tribune, circa late 1980's

They wrote about "guilty socialism in the second generation rich?"

Citations please.

"Paycheck???"
I'm surprised you still know what they're called, Greg.

Is your employer so backward they don't use EFT?

I am my employer.

Dan

Dan said
And I have pointed out that we know
what you did to the little girl.

Who is WE? Are you a committee?
Or are you you playing Joseph McCarthy again Dan?

No assumptions have to be made.

Darn, that leaves you with nothing but insults!

Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives.
That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the
state legislature here with that logic.

Was that in the papers?

I'm not sure. Ask Doug, he TESTIFIED before the legislature.

Citations please.
On 2nd generation Rich having guilt?
Minneapolis Star Tribune 1980's (84-90) closest I can recall.
For more detail, do your own research.
You might also want to search with keywords like
Peavey, Pillsbury, Cargill, Carlson Companies, GUILT, etc..

I am my employer.

You sell crack eh?

If you're an entrepeneur, then WHY have you been pushing the
idea that I should be a ""wage slave"" and punch a clock?

And everybody knows that people who make a living at
self employment have endless free time to post in newsgroups
and ""consult"" people for gratis about Child Protection.

Riight!

I think it's just another DELUSION OF GRANDEUR!

You ARE a disability case on SSI aren't you?

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...
Dan said
And I have pointed out that we know
what you did to the little girl.

Who is WE? Are you a committee?
Or are you you playing Joseph McCarthy again Dan?

"We" are the people who read what's posted on this NG.

And "we" know what you did because you posted the information.

No assumptions have to be made.

Darn, that leaves you with nothing but insults!

Nothing but facts.

And unanswered questions.

Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives.
That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the
state legislature here with that logic.

Was that in the papers?

I'm not sure. Ask Doug, he TESTIFIED before the legislature.

Citations please.
On 2nd generation Rich having guilt?
Minneapolis Star Tribune 1980's (84-90) closest I can recall.
For more detail, do your own research.
You might also want to search with keywords like
Peavey, Pillsbury, Cargill, Carlson Companies, GUILT, etc..

I am my employer.

You sell crack eh?

No.

If you're an entrepeneur, then WHY have you been pushing the
idea that I should be a ""wage slave"" and punch a clock?

The real question is, why do you think your girlfriend should support YOU?

Is there something that makes you incapable of employment?

And everybody knows that people who make a living at
self employment have endless free time to post in newsgroups
and ""consult"" people for gratis about Child Protection.

Riight!

I think it's just another DELUSION OF GRANDEUR!

You ARE a disability case on SSI aren't you?

If I were would that somehow explain something?

Do you think only a disabled person would come to the defense of an abused
little girl?

Dan

On 21 Sep 2003 12:43:06 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Dan said
And I have pointed out that we know
what you did to the little girl.

Who is WE? Are you a committee?

Super****ed Dad, Myself, I believe Sherman, and various and assorted
folks that have come and gone here and told you what a lowlife scumbag
you are and that you should get a job, or get out, or both.

Some have, shocked voice even suggested they want you to come to
some harm. Tsk............. tsk.............. tsk...............

Or are you you playing Joseph McCarthy again Dan?

I'm always amused at this referance to Joe McCarthy. I found him, and
I actually watched him on TV during the hearings, as a thoroughly
ugly offensive pig of a man, but he did not go after anyone but a few
people in the military that in fact some DID prove to be members of
the Communist party when they were most assuredly a serious security
risk to this country.

Now they are more like you, impotent crackpots. Thanks to Joe
McCarthy. You might want to do a little research before you try to
smear someone. Like using what they have actually said.

It was the HUAC that went after folks in the media and created the
unfair and brutal attacks on people.

I just can't imagine Dan doing that to you, can you?

I notice you have been making referrence to my life experience that
clearly show you are willing to lie about me. That is to make a claim
that has no basis in fact and is, if one reads what I wrote, obviously
something else entirely.

For instance, you and the Plant suggested I was "terminated." I said I
was fostered. Fostered children are not necessarily terminated. In
fact only about 30% are, so you are a 60% liar.

Don't you like it having at least one redeeming thing you can boast
about?

Notice that everything Dan says about you or questions he asks you are
directly related to things YOU have written about yourself and the
situation you find yourself so comfortably in.

No assumptions have to be made.

Darn, that leaves you with nothing but insults!

My goodness gracious me, is this going to devolve or escalate into yet
another posting by Dan or I of your actual newgroup postings about the
issues Dan and I and a slew of others here have confronted you about?

You've never said the things you did were not true, in fact you
defended them. And with utter and complete nonsense that pointed
clearly to you either being a dunce, stupid as a post, or a malicious
little twit that deliberately displaced a child to make a soft berth
for himself.

Why do you think no one defends your "motion" when it's
presented...quick, backchannel your Pumpkin. ... I'm sure IT will
defend your motion as a piece of art all CPS involved families should
emulate.

But in fact, if they did, the outcome would be exactly what has
happened to the little girl and her mother, who have lost each other
now.

Just to answer, once again, your lie that I despise the natural
parents, though I find your paramour questionable in chosing you over
her child, I am deeply saddened that when the little girl grows up and
catches on to YOU, she will also be confronted with the spector of an
abandoning mother.

I can think of no worse event in a human life than to find that one's
own mother betrayed one. That is too much of a burden to ask a child
to take on no matter WHAT YOU WANT, you little prick.

Just the thought of that would jar awake someone with a conscience.

But.....

That let's you out....so far.

Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives.
That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the
state legislature here with that logic.

Was that in the papers?

I'm not sure. Ask Doug, he TESTIFIED before the legislature.

I wonder if Doug would move into a single mother's mobil home, and
take up showering her little girl?

And lots of folks testify before legislatures. My wife has. It's not
the act, it's the content of the testimony.

It's not made true because of the setting, so kindly use things you
can support with something more factually varifiable, than, "Doug said
it so it must be true."

Citations please.
On 2nd generation Rich having guilt?
Minneapolis Star Tribune 1980's (84-90) closest I can recall.
For more detail, do your own research.
You might also want to search with keywords like
Peavey, Pillsbury, Cargill, Carlson Companies, GUILT, etc..

Fabulous. Even the Plant could do better. You, a nonworking adult male
with a computer and an internet connection, want someone that works
for his living, and uses large amounts of his time helping others, to
do reseach on a subject (rich guilty people) you brought up.

Excellent. Right up there with the best The Plant has cut and pasted
and demanded others make the connections to CPS, the thread, or A
Nodule on It's Root System.

I am my employer.

You sell crack eh?

Are you calling Dan Sullivan a drug dealer? If so I suggest you
apologize or produce some solid evidence quickly.

You are as stupid in your debate as you are as a pseudoparent.

But then what have you to risk. If someone nails you for your lies are
you going to give up the shopping cart you use to collect and hump
bottles and cans in the ball park?

From now on I'm going to use HBCBP to designate that phrase. I
wouldn't want to overload our computer system with too many bytes of
info.

Or did you buy top of the line after your last sojourn with a
"fiance?"

If you're an entrepeneur, then WHY have you been pushing the
idea that I should be a ""wage slave"" and punch a clock?

I don't think he cares how you earn the money you should to support
yourself.

If you can hump HBCBP and actually pull half your weight, in food and
half the rent or mortgage payment, then you are a really good boy, and
Dan has made an error of judgement.

You can see, and I certainly can, why he might make that mistake going
by the long posting history we have access to here in USENET.

So, do you pay for half the utilities, food, your own medical
insurance or bills, entertainment, and rent in the form of half the
mortage or rent?

Hell, I'll bet you don't even pay for half the KY Jelly you use to
**** that poor needy woman up the ass.

And everybody knows that people who make a living at
self employment have endless free time to post in newsgroups
and ""consult"" people for gratis about Child Protection.

Actually it's only you that doesn't know how much an entrepeneur can
mangage his time and entertainments. Though I guess of you are HBCBP
you certainly can manage your time so you an post here often.

Personally I'm grateful for Dan's gratis consultations with families
in crises with CPS.

The reason I am is that unlike you I'm in touch with reality and I
count the successes he's had and how he did it, or coached them to do
it.

He's done things that with all my many years of experience I had not
learned or caught onto, tactically. I've used that info in behalf of
families. I'm pleased to say he's been my teacher on many a CPS
related issue.

Now, Prick, what have YOU to teach me?

Riight!

Yes, that's right. He has consulted with families, and served them
very well indeed. Jealous, or are you posting as a proxie for Dennis
the Ill-noise CPSWatch maven?

I think it's just another DELUSION OF GRANDEUR!

YOU? THINK?

So write us a "Motion." Prove that Dan hasn't helped families. Hey,
I'll be the first to get after him for fooling me...but let me tell
you, from what I know, even if he was kidding he'd be considerably
more than you, Gigolo.

You ARE a disability case on SSI aren't you?

Now wouldn't that be interesting. Imagine, Dan Sullivan, disabled, and
running a business, and along with that doing the considerably amount
of work it takes to research state after state CPS information to
provide families the tools to get their children back.

While you...well, here you are, apparently an able bodied strapping
big hunk a burning love, that gets only as far as the ball park for
his pin money, has no child in the home to parent, and sits there on
his 3 year sabbatical (I loved that...it means one year, doofus) just
aching to sue someone.

I keep praying you are that stupid.

You'd really look good in court. Like a Rueben Sandwich.

Yah know, what you don't say about about your situation and the little
girl is as telling as what you do say.

As far as I've been able to find I've never located a kinds
sympathetic empathetic word by you about the little girl, her pain and
loss, her confusion.

(and Doug thinks I'm being an amateur psychologist...r r r r r)

And in fact the only thing I can find (you'll point me to something
more won't you) that you say about her describes her in blameful
terms, as though she is out to get you and that's why the punishment
detail.

About the only person you don't badmouth is the mother, and I think we
can assume that has a great deal to do with her taking care of you
(instead of her child). Wouldn't want jeaordize that, now would we,
Whore?

Am I wrong?

Or more importantly, will you me answer me at all?

Kane

Who is WE? Are you a committee?

Super****ed Dad, Myself, I believe Sherman,
and various and assorted folks

Really? You left off Charles Manson and Jerry Howe.
But I suggest you get their permission to speak FOR THEM.

that have come and gone here and told you what a lowlife scumbag
you are and that you should get a job, or get out, or both.

People hurling insults On the INTERNET?
That's so amazing Mr Wizard!

Some have, shocked voice even suggested they want you to come to
some harm. Tsk............. tsk.............. tsk...............

Back to the intellectual high road again there eh Kane?

Kane expounds
but he did not go after anyone but a few people in the
military

FALSE

that in fact some DID prove to be members of
the Communist party when they were most assuredly a
serious security risk to this country.

Since this is now archived history, please name names.

Now they are more like you, impotent crackpots.
Thanks to Joe McCarthy. You might want to do a
little research before you try to smear someone.
Like using what they have actually said.

Does THIS qualify?

It was the HUAC that went after folks in the
media and created the unfair and brutal attacks
on people.

And who was the Chairman? When Elia Kazan was questioned?

I just can't imagine Dan doing that to you, can you?

I notice you have been making referrence to my life experience that
clearly show you are willing to lie about me. That is to make a claim
that has no basis in fact and is, if one reads what I wrote, obviously
something else entirely.

I just can't imagine Dan doing that to you, can you?
I just can't imagine Dan doing that to you, can you?


For instance, you and the Plant suggested I was "terminated." I said I
was fostered. Fostered children are not necessarily terminated. In
fact only about 30% are, so you are a 60% liar.

Are you saying you went back to your parents?

That would not fit your hatred of blood parents and
your downright filial love for the foster caregivers.

Don't you like it having at least one redeeming
thing you can boast about?

Notice that everything Dan says about you or questions he asks you are
directly related to things YOU have written about yourself and the
situation you find yourself so comfortably in.

Yes, generally in inappropriate places. Others have complained.

No assumptions have to be made.

Darn, that leaves you with nothing but insults!

My goodness gracious me, is this going to devolve or escalate into yet
another posting by Dan or I of your actual newgroup postings about the
issues Dan and I and a slew of others here have confronted you about?

You just proved me right. You are empty.

You threaten me with escalation? Way to go dude!

If you're that stupid, I won't stop you.

Do you think you're going to WIN something?

You've never said the things you did were not true, in fact you
defended them. And with utter and complete nonsense that pointed
clearly to you either being a dunce, stupid as a post, or a malicious
little twit that deliberately displaced a child to make a soft berth
for himself.

Empty. Vacuous. Void of content.

Why do you think no one defends your "motion" when it's
presented...quick, backchannel your Pumpkin. ... I'm sure IT will
defend your motion as a piece of art all CPS involved families should
emulate.

Empty.

But in fact, if they did, the outcome would be exactly what has
happened to the little girl and her mother, who have lost each other
now.

Factual error. WAG

Just to answer, once again, your lie that I despise the natural
parents, though I find your paramour questionable in chosing you over
her child, I am deeply saddened that when the little girl grows up and
catches on to YOU, she will also be confronted with the spector of an
abandoning mother.

Not unless they destroy all of the documents. Not possible.

I can think of no worse event in a human life than to find that one's
own mother betrayed one. That is too much of a burden to ask a child
to take on no matter WHAT YOU WANT, you little prick.

Well, for a patriotic person in the Home of the Brave, being
betrayed by the government and court system comes close.
Judges who cheat and violate oath, laws ignored...

Just the thought of that would jar awake someone with a conscience.

But.....

That let's you out....so far.

Yep, I'm just a thoughtless person.
But you sure seem a might bothered by someone as seemingly
unimportant as me!

Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives.
That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the
state legislature here with that logic.

Was that in the papers?

I'm not sure. Ask Doug, he TESTIFIED before the legislature.

I wonder if Doug would move into a single mother's mobil home, and
take up showering her little girl?

And lots of folks testify before legislatures. My wife has. It's not
the act, it's the content of the testimony.

Or the results. As I said the idea got booed out.
(Public at large thought it was an incredibly stupid idea also!)

It's not made true because of the setting, so kindly use things you
can support with something more factually varifiable, than, "Doug said
it so it must be true."

Is this the new standard for proving your blathering?

Citations please.
On 2nd generation Rich having guilt?
Minneapolis Star Tribune 1980's (84-90) closest I can recall.
For more detail, do your own research.
You might also want to search with keywords like
Peavey, Pillsbury, Cargill, Carlson Companies, GUILT, etc..

Fabulous. Even the Plant could do better. You, a nonworking adult male
with a computer and an internet connection, want someone that works
for his living, and uses large amounts of his time helping others, to
do reseach on a subject (rich guilty people) you brought up.

Excellent. Right up there with the best The Plant has cut and pasted
and demanded others make the connections to CPS, the thread, or A
Nodule on It's Root System.

I am my employer.

You sell crack eh?

Are you calling Dan Sullivan a drug dealer? If so I suggest you
apologize or produce some solid evidence quickly.

I'll just quote Dan: "Get stuffed!"

You are as stupid in your debate as you are as a pseudoparent.

Debate? And you think that passes for forensic skill?

But then what have you to risk. If someone nails you for your lies are
you going to give up the shopping cart you use to collect and hump
bottles and cans in the ball park?

Actually didn't ever use a grocery cart at the ball field.
Did you have to bend over to extract that idea?

From now on I'm going

Oh what a relief!

to use HBCBP to designate that phrase. I wouldn't want
to overload our computer system with too many bytes of info.

Gibberish.

Or did you buy top of the line after your last
sojourn with a "fiance?"

Pointless.

If you're an entrepeneur, then WHY have you been pushing the
idea that I should be a ""wage slave"" and punch a clock?

I don't think he cares how you earn the money you should to support
yourself.

If you can hump HBCBP and actually pull half your weight, in food and
half the rent or mortgage payment, then you are a really good boy, and
Dan has made an error of judgement.

You can see, and I certainly can, why he might make that mistake going
by the long posting history we

Look, either you are speaking for other people, or you're
talking in third person plural which is really freaky.
Get help.

have access to here in USENET.

So, do you pay for half the utilities, food, your own medical
insurance or bills, entertainment, and rent in the form of half the
mortage or rent?

Pointless. Delusions of grandeur. Pretense at "authorita"

Hell, I'll bet you don't even pay for half the
KY Jelly you use to [e.d.] that poor needy
woman up the [e.d.].

Yes, you are an expert ""debater"".

Thanks for all the love, man.

And everybody knows that people who make a living at
self employment have endless free time to post in newsgroups
and ""consult"" people for gratis about Child Protection.

Actually it's only you that doesn't know how much an entrepeneur can
mangage his time and entertainments. Though I guess of you are HBCBP
you certainly can manage your time so you an post here often.

Personally I'm grateful for Dan's gratis consultations with families
in crises with CPS.

The reason I am is that unlike you I'm in touch with reality and I
count the successes he's had and how he did it, or coached them to do
it.

OK, Dude. Yeah. Reality. Whatever!

He's done things that with all my many years of experience I had not
learned or caught onto, tactically. I've used that info in behalf of
families. I'm pleased to say he's been my teacher on many a CPS
related issue.

Yes, it was obvious you were his lap dog. Tonguing him now?

Now, Prick, what have YOU to teach me?

You are not ready, grasshopper.

Riight!

Yes, that's right. He has consulted with
families, and served them very well indeed.

Broiled and on a silver platter?

chorus:
Some say the Devil is dead
Devil is dead
Devil is dead
Some say the Devil is dead
And buried in Killarney.
I say he rose again
I say he rose again
I say he rose again
And joined the British Army.

Jealous, or are you posting as a proxie for Dennis
the Ill-noise CPSWatch maven?

If I was to see a rodent eat it's young would I be jealous?

No pack behavior, that's your thing.



I think it's just another DELUSION OF GRANDEUR!

YOU? THINK?

So write us a "Motion." Prove that Dan hasn't helped families. Hey,
I'll be the first to get after him for fooling me...but let me tell
you, from what I know,

Does a Methane wind pass for knowledge?

even if he was kidding he'd be considerably more than you, Gigolo.

Be all that you can be? A Sock puppet?

You ARE a disability case on SSI aren't you?

Now wouldn't that be interesting. Imagine, Dan Sullivan, disabled, and
running a business, and along with that doing the considerably amount
of work it takes to research state after state CPS information to
provide families the tools to get their children back.

Yeah, when CPS finishes their witch hunt, and wants to burn
the parents at the stake, Dan offers the parents matches.

While you...well, here you are, apparently an able bodied strapping
big hunk a burning love,
yes

that gets only as far as the ball park for his pin money,
covered a lot of car washes also

has no child in the home to parent, and sits there on
his 3 year sabbatical
(I loved that...it means one year, doofus)

Get a better dictionary.
One that has Coprolalia in it also.

just aching to sue someone.
yes
That's the civilized thing to do when you're wronged like this.

I keep praying you are that stupid.
Since when do atheists pray?

You'd really look good in court.
Like a Rueben Sandwich.
Now you're just making me hungry.

Yah know, what you don't say about about
your situation and the little
girl is as telling as what you do say.

Try tea leaves or a Ouija Board, more accurate.
But I know you like your methane.

As far as I've been able to find I've never
located a kinds sympathetic empathetic word
by you about the little girl, her pain and
loss, her confusion.

There is more of that from me in this case
than there is from the state stooges.


(and Doug thinks I'm being an amateur psychologist...r r r r r)

You couldn't buy a vowel with cash.

And in fact the only thing I can find (you'll point me to something
more won't you) that you say about her describes her in blameful
terms, as though she is out to get you and that's why the punishment
detail.

"she is out to get me"? More delusions, Kane? Never said any such.

About the only person you don't badmouth is the mother, and I think we
can assume that has a great deal to do with her taking care of you
(instead of her child). Wouldn't want jeaordize that, now would we,
Whore?

If we were perfect we would not be human.
Taking the high road again, Kane?

Am I wrong?
Constantly.

Or more importantly, will you me answer me at all?

Yeah, That's important in a Jerry Howe kinda way, isn't it?