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On 03 Aug 2003 04:15:08 GMT, (Super ****ed Dad) wrote:

Child Care by Ultimatum: Norcross, Ga., police arrested parents
Khalidan Tunkara, 28, and Olin Washington, 32, after one of
whom, following a squabble in a parking lot, left their 9-month-old
girl on the ground and drove away, intending to pressure the other
parent to take the kid, but that parent then drove off, too (April).
The same thing happened with parents Jennifer Jones, 21, and the
father of her 3-week-old girl, in front of a beauty salon in Elgin,
Ill.,
where police found the baby in the street (February). The same
thing happened with parents Christy Leann Radacy, 23, and the
father of her 2-year-old twin daughters in Lake Worth, Tex., where
police found the girls lying on busy state road 199 (May).


News of the Weird 8-02-03


Just think a few classes and these parents will be as good as new

Do you really think that is what CPS should recommend to the court
after they pick up these children and place them in a shelter?

Me, I'd just take the kids, and when the parents showed up have a cop
with warrants awaitin' right after the cuffs clicked home.

And a CPS worker with an invitation (think summons) from the family
court to appear for a show-cause hearing, you know the kind...show
cause why you shouldn't lose your parental right until hell freezes
over and your silly stupid ass isn't grass. smile

I'd say six months to a year, halved for good behavior, and a tubal
ligation along with a little snipperage on poppa's baby makin'
apparatus. Or just stay in the slammer until such time as both
proceedures are accepted, uhh....voluntarily.

spd

Best wishes and salutations, Kane


The law isn't justice. It's a very imperfect mechanism. If you press
exactly
the right buttons and are also lucky, justice may show up in the
answer. A
mechanism is all the law was ever intended to be."
-Raymond Chandler

(Kane) wrote in message . com...
On 03 Aug 2003 04:15:08 GMT, (Super ****ed Dad) wrote:

Child Care by Ultimatum: Norcross, Ga., police arrested parents
Khalidan Tunkara, 28, and Olin Washington, 32, after one of
whom, following a squabble in a parking lot, left their 9-month-old
girl on the ground and drove away, intending to pressure the other
parent to take the kid, but that parent then drove off, too (April).
The same thing happened with parents Jennifer Jones, 21, and the
father of her 3-week-old girl, in front of a beauty salon in Elgin,
Ill.,
where police found the baby in the street (February). The same
thing happened with parents Christy Leann Radacy, 23, and the
father of her 2-year-old twin daughters in Lake Worth, Tex., where
police found the girls lying on busy state road 199 (May).


News of the Weird 8-02-03


Just think a few classes and these parents will be as good as new

Do you really think that is what CPS should recommend to the court
after they pick up these children and place them in a shelter?

Hey Kane,

LaMar is being facetious.

In spite of his own experiences with CPS he still can recognize people
who have gone WAAAAAY "round the bend" regarding the care and
supervision of their children.

Remember sarcasm?

(look who I'm asking!)

Go get yerself a big glass of iced tea... AND FREAKIN RELAX!!!!!

Ain't it hot where you are?

Best, Dan

On 03 Aug 2003 14:45:20 GMT, (Roz McAllister) wrote:

Listen Kane, you don't know me.

I've read most of the posts you've sent to USENET. And you are right,
I don't know you, but what I do know and what you stand for make me
very curi0us.

I'm new to this list. I was invited to join
it by people I have been aquainted with for years.

I'm not sure of the relevance, but that's nice.

I've been advocating for 7
years.

I did my first advocacy in 1976, have barely stopped for breath since.
Oh, and we won. And I'm very used to winning.

I have NOT declared myself as an expert in ANYTHING.

You haven't? You have a lot of opinons that sound very authoritative.
Most sound pretty much like a crackpot, but I'll give you the benefit
of the doubt....

You are not "an expert in ANYTHING"

I made some
observations on a case that is local to me. That's it! And I get
attacked by
you.

"observations"? Really?

That word sounds rather cool and remote. Your statements didn't. I
thought I read a lot of "I'm going to decend on the statehouse over
this," and "I'm going to send that judge a reality check, and campaign
actively against her next election, and she's a sexist etc."

Were those just "observations"?

How is it you see my disagreement as an attack?

And did you not quite willingly "attack" me with disagreement. I think
I recall being called a sexist when you failed to notice I suggested
neurtering both man and women in the babies dumped on the freeway and
abandoned case.

Now, let me give you a little clue.

Clues are what I need. Thanks.

Read your admonishing, and mildly threatening line over above, and
tell me you don't think you are an expert in ANYTHING.

I recall my momma shakin' her finger in my face saying the same thing.
You didn't mean to sound like my momma, did you? r r r r

It really doesn't matter what you or I
think of the parenting skills of people who just up and leave their
children.

Really?

I'm afraid you are wrong. Not only does it matter what we think, we
pay people to act on what we think about such things. They are called
caseworkers and judges.

There are things called laws and regulation. These exist from the
federal,
state, and local levels.

Ah, would I be correct in assuming you are an anti government nitwit
then?

Completely obvious to the fact that I and YOU and the guy reading this
IS the f**king government?

Or am I mistaken in both cases?

We don't make the laws, and you aren't an anti government nitwit?

The government says that there has to be an attempt
to reunify children with their parents.

Yep. They also say, and I'll happily look up my info from my archives
on it, and even the current policy and law if you wish it, that says
there are circumstances where NOT SUCH EFFORTS NEED TO BE MADE, OR
SHOULD BE MADE OR CPS IS NOT DOING IT'S MANDATED JOB.

I observe that the twits that left their children in traffic on a
freeway qualify as "NOT SUCH EFFORT MUST BE MADE".

Your "observation" and mine may differ.

The only exception is when a person
gives up that right by signing termination papers.

I can see why your organization is as vapidly impotent as it appears
to be at actually getting families their children back. Or am I
mistaken in my observation?

It is the law in many states that a parent that murders, and is
convicted, one child loses the rest, if there are any.

Even attempted murder will do the trick, by law, Roz.

It is the law that a parent convicted of sex abuse will lose their
parental right, by court ordered termination.

Prove different.

My goodness, Roz, you are the director of CPSWatch, are you not? Do
you not know, or do your employees not know these things?

You are discussing voluntary relinquishment and claiming, "The only
exception is when a person gives up that right by signing termination
papers."

And that is simply not true.

On this case, Devin Wilder's family, being local, I not only read
what was in
the paper, but also saw local TV coverage. If you use google, you
wouldn't get
the stories from tv or radio that we did at the time. I was just
trying to add
that information for those who care.

Thank you. I always care when it comes to the safety of children, and
in fact the return of children wrongly fully removed, or mistakenly
removed from their parents. I'd prefer it never happen. Give me some
more clues.

Another thing you may not know unless
you're local is that we lost another child, Diamond, just a couple of
weeks
later. Diamond died at the hands of her 13 year old father. CPS
didn't see
the need to take Diamond from her 14 year old mother who had no
staple home. I
proposed changes, in writing, to our county commissioners to improve
services
that would have saved both these precious children.

You apparently, like so many self styled CPS reformers, think that the
public and your potential members won't get it that you want it both
ways.

In this very post you posit that CPS has to work toward reunification,
knowing, as you just now said, that there are risks in the performance
of that duty and policy.

But you are mighty quick to glom onto a mistake based on the former
requirement, and to do the same on a mistake in the latter.

You really have to figure out a position. Once you do you can be far
more effective, and in time maybe even put yourself out of a job.

Am I an expert, trained or self-taught, no. What I am is a person
who wants
the system to work so kids don't die.

Then I take it, if what you say with such heartfelt intensity, that
you are open to learning.

And I am trying to bring the problems to
the attention of those who should know, but don't seem to be able to
get the
job done.

I guess we differ on what you say you are doing, and what you actually
are doing. Saying and doing are often quite different things.

I could be mistaken, but the reading I've done so far of posts you
have written suggest saying is one thing with you, and the doing is
something quite different.

I was taught that if you aren't working for a solution, you're part
of the problem. I've been open about what I do. I try to help.
I've called
people in for abuse/neglect and I've helped those wrongly accused.

Did they sign a release for you to have full access to their file,
medical as well as CPS casefile? Do you really know the people you are
interviewing, or are they just conning you? Are you just taking their
word?

We all think we are such great judges of character, until we discover
we were dead wrong. Then we toss it off with a "well, live and learn"
kind of remark and go on to make the same mistake again and again.

You need to stop and think about what people are telling you, and
actually look at the cases in full.

I just want
the children to be safe.

Do you now? What do you think child welfare workers want? What do you
think I want when I question you and challenge you?

If you think CPS is bad at its job just ask me what I think of how
well you do yours. How many families wrongfully treated by CPS have
you been a direct agent in getting their children back?

I want the system's people, on all levels, to make
that happen.

Don't we all. I'm not willing to, when they fail, break their other
knee as a way of reforming them.

I want those who work for the system to do their jobs without
harrassment and intimidation of the innocent and without illegal
procedures.

When they do sue them. When you just think they do try to learn more.
Most of the claims I've seen in these ngs, and other forums, suggest
that people think they know what is legal when they do not know. And
what they claim is intimidation is usually the claims of some scumbag
that has taken to molesting and abusing his or her child when CPS
come's a knockin'. Of course they got told their children were going
to be taken if they didn't mend their ways.

The law requires full disclosure of the intent of CPS to the client at
the first face to face, and the worker is required to tell them the
risks of them losing their child if they do not agree to and complete
a service plan.

This is just that same sorry old whining I read about here all the
time.

I
want them to follow the laws and remove children who are not safe.

No less do I. They fail. I want to know precisely why they failed in
each case. I want the to correct any errors or oversights. I want them
to know we have remedies if they do not make that effort and show
cause why it cannot be done if it can't, but I'm not willing to break
their knee and then demand they do the job.

Defunding. Frivolous lawsuits. Streetcorner ranting of ignorant crap.
Media bias to sell papers more than to reform. These are knee busters.

Slogging through, case by boring case, is the road to salvation for
reformers. Grandstanding and getting most of it backward brands one as
a troublemaking anti government twit. And the public doesn't take you
seriously, and CPS sure isn't going to.

In fact you are on a path to that old adage, "be careful what you wish
for, you may get it."

Your rant appears very "destroy CPS" to me, not reform it.

You haven't once in all the posts I've read rendered a single plea for
adequate funding.

You haven't said you advocate for improving conditions for upgrading
foster care by recruiting and retaining the good ones.

You haven't fostered a child yourself, if I don't miss my guess, and
seen what they come into care with.

Your "friends" who invited you here are among the worst when it comes
to that. They constantly want to break the other knee because the
horse won't run faster.

They are obviously gleeful when they find a family that HAS in fact
been bloodied by CPS (no agency is perfect), and they dance around
pointing and waving and providing zero sensible solutions to the
problem that caused the trauma to the family.

Oh, I'm sure they think they have the solution, but what they will get
out their solution will be far worse than what they scream about now.

Your kind of arm waving "CPS is always wrong" reform is moving this
country's CPS unfalteringly toward a police state solution.

Now, can we please stop with the personal attacks?

You first.

Or do you really mean me, while you go on with them.

Or hadn't you noticed the "CPS asswipe" remark, and the "you are a
sexist" remark?

I know what a tubal is. I've had one. And the one you mention is
just one of
several methods of doing the procedure.

I'm stumped. Why would you accuse me then of being sexist based on my
mentioning, crudely of course, a vasectomy for the man and tubal
ligation, which I said precisely so no one could possibly mistake that
I meant both the man and the woman?

I'm an equal opportunity vicious old fart that does not suffer fools
gladly.

Reproductive units (I really can't give them the sacred honorific of
"parents") that leave their children in the middle of the freeway and
parking lot to make a point in an argument with each other just gave
up their parental rights as far as I'm concerned. And they'd be damned
lucky, if and when they showed up for their kids if I had them, to get
away with just their reproductive organs changed.

But then I don't get to make such decisions. As a member of this
society I pay others to, and I know what it costs in time, money, and
humanpower to do such things. Far more than you appear to understand.
I once was you, in fact. I learned better.

The next time you "bring a problem" to the attention of those you pay
to protect children, something you say you want, ask them how you can
HELP them do their jobs. Jumping up and down and insisting they do it
without knowing why they failed to do it and assuming malice and or
incompetence is NOT going to save children.

It's nothing more than bullying harrassment. The are forbidden to
fight back, and you know it. If they do you can sue their asses off.

Where there is malice and or incompetence help sue their asses off,
but stop generalizing from the specific to the general. It's a killer
for human beings. Destructive of society. Always has been.

Roz McAllister
CPSWatch, Ohio

Kane
CPSWatch watcher, USA

(Dan Sullivan) wrote in message . com...
(Kane) wrote in message . com...
On 03 Aug 2003 04:15:08 GMT, (Super ****ed Dad) wrote:

Child Care by Ultimatum: Norcross, Ga., police arrested parents
Khalidan Tunkara, 28, and Olin Washington, 32, after one of
whom, following a squabble in a parking lot, left their 9-month-old
girl on the ground and drove away, intending to pressure the other
parent to take the kid, but that parent then drove off, too (April).
The same thing happened with parents Jennifer Jones, 21, and the
father of her 3-week-old girl, in front of a beauty salon in Elgin,
Ill.,
where police found the baby in the street (February). The same
thing happened with parents Christy Leann Radacy, 23, and the
father of her 2-year-old twin daughters in Lake Worth, Tex., where
police found the girls lying on busy state road 199 (May).


News of the Weird 8-02-03


Just think a few classes and these parents will be as good as new

Do you really think that is what CPS should recommend to the court
after they pick up these children and place them in a shelter?

Hey Kane,

LaMar is being facetious.

You think I missed that?

Come on. It was an invitation to rant. I accepted.

In spite of his own experiences with CPS he still can recognize people
who have gone WAAAAAY "round the bend" regarding the care and
supervision of their children.

Absolutely. I have a lot of respect for him. Notice I didn't swear at
him?

He's one of those folks I take great pleasure in disagreeing
respectfuly with here. Did thee forget that when I'm posting one
person I'm not posting to another? This isn't the plant. LaMar gets
one thing, The Plant gets another.

Remember sarcasm?

(look who I'm asking!)

Am I slipping. Was my satire button not depressed sufficiently?

Go get yerself a big glass of iced tea... AND FREAKIN RELAX!!!!!

Suckin' on one right this second. Thanks.

You couldn't believe how relaxing it is for me to come here and play
with the freakoids. As for LaMar, like I said, he's a respected
opponent. There are a few others. Then there's.......r r r r r

Ain't it hot where you are?

Not in the least. A lovely 75 degree day. I mixed and poured a 20
square foot by 10 inch concrete slab this morning, just to get myself
in the mood to come and read and post.

BP is getting so low these days, it's scary. Been of the meds for a
month. I think it was my schedule and having to work into the nights
so often, what with the long drive and all. As soon as I cut out the
late evenings down when the BP. I'll probably live to be 110 and
continue to annoy the hell out of CPS and the self styled reformers
for many more years.

When they stop their kneecappin' and actually contribute to reform
I'll stop using the tactics THEY use. That simple. But they won't
figure it out even when I write it out for them, as I just did. They
are so lost in lust for their silliness it's doubtful any of them
could wake up to really effective reforms.

Best, Dan

I know. Same to yah and more,

Kane

"Kane" wrote in message
om...
On 03 Aug 2003 14:45:20 GMT, (Roz McAllister) wrote:

Listen Kane, you don't know me.

I've read most of the posts you've sent to USENET. And you are right,
I don't know you, but what I do know and what you stand for make me
very curi0us.

I'm new to this list. I was invited to join
it by people I have been aquainted with for years.

I'm not sure of the relevance, but that's nice.

I've been advocating for 7
years.

I did my first advocacy in 1976, have barely stopped for breath since.
Oh, and we won. And I'm very used to winning.

I have NOT declared myself as an expert in ANYTHING.

You haven't? You have a lot of opinons that sound very authoritative.
Most sound pretty much like a crackpot, but I'll give you the benefit
of the doubt....

You are not "an expert in ANYTHING"

I made some
observations on a case that is local to me. That's it! And I get
attacked by
you.

Lets try a bit of a reality check, shall we?

When I google'd the email address here is what I came up with:

"(919) 261-9783. Roz McAllister. Ohio State Director. . 5222
McBride Ave. Cleveland, OH 44127. (216) 883-7275. AOL IM: ram7275a"

Going a bit further into a search, I found some of the following:

"Remember, CPS IS the enemy!"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Parents-VS-CPS/message/31

"I am hoping to have a large number of cases of abuse of power by the system
to hand over when I speak."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Parents-VS-CPS/message/6

If you dont consider yourself an expert, why are you speaking?

An interesting outcome to a search on just an email address. There is
another entry for that address, but it does not seem to have anything to do
with CPS. If you are interested please do what I did and google it. Oh,
and BTW, it seems that the cpswatch site is now a "500 - Internal server
error" site. I just love competent server administration, don't you?

Ron

P.S. Hey Roz, as far as I am concerned that puts you right in the same nut
house with dennis. Sharing a suite no doubt.



Roz McAllister
CPSWatch, Ohio

Kane
CPSWatch watcher, USA

"Kane" wrote in message
om...
(Dan Sullivan) wrote in message
. com...
(Kane) wrote in message
. com...
On 03 Aug 2003 04:15:08 GMT, (Super ****ed Dad) wrote:

Child Care by Ultimatum: Norcross, Ga., police arrested parents
Khalidan Tunkara, 28, and Olin Washington, 32, after one of
whom, following a squabble in a parking lot, left their 9-month-old
girl on the ground and drove away, intending to pressure the other
parent to take the kid, but that parent then drove off, too (April).
The same thing happened with parents Jennifer Jones, 21, and the
father of her 3-week-old girl, in front of a beauty salon in Elgin,
Ill.,
where police found the baby in the street (February). The same
thing happened with parents Christy Leann Radacy, 23, and the
father of her 2-year-old twin daughters in Lake Worth, Tex., where
police found the girls lying on busy state road 199 (May).


News of the Weird 8-02-03


Just think a few classes and these parents will be as good as new

Do you really think that is what CPS should recommend to the court
after they pick up these children and place them in a shelter?

Hey Kane,

LaMar is being facetious.

You think I missed that?

Come on. It was an invitation to rant. I accepted.

OK... ya fooled me.

In spite of his own experiences with CPS he still can recognize people
who have gone WAAAAAY "round the bend" regarding the care and
supervision of their children.

Absolutely. I have a lot of respect for him. Notice I didn't swear at
him?

He's one of those folks I take great pleasure in disagreeing
respectfuly with here. Did thee forget that when I'm posting one
person I'm not posting to another? This isn't the plant. LaMar gets
one thing, The Plant gets another.

Remember sarcasm?

(look who I'm asking!)

Am I slipping. Was my satire button not depressed sufficiently?

I thought you had a roll of quarters duct taped to it.

Go get yerself a big glass of iced tea... AND FREAKIN RELAX!!!!!

Suckin' on one right this second. Thanks.

You couldn't believe how relaxing it is for me to come here and play
with the freakoids. As for LaMar, like I said, he's a respected
opponent. There are a few others. Then there's.......r r r r r

Ain't it hot where you are?

Not in the least. A lovely 75 degree day. I mixed and poured a 20
square foot by 10 inch concrete slab this morning, just to get myself
in the mood to come and read and post.

Who's under the slab?

neal?

BP is getting so low these days, it's scary. Been of the meds for a
month. I think it was my schedule and having to work into the nights
so often, what with the long drive and all. As soon as I cut out the
late evenings down when the BP. I'll probably live to be 110 and
continue to annoy the hell out of CPS and the self styled reformers
for many more years.

When they stop their kneecappin' and actually contribute to reform
I'll stop using the tactics THEY use. That simple. But they won't
figure it out even when I write it out for them, as I just did. They
are so lost in lust for their silliness it's doubtful any of them
could wake up to really effective reforms.

Best, Dan

I know. Same to yah and more,

Thanks, Dan

Roz:

The Pro-CPS game players in this newsgroup:

Ron is a foster contractor who claims to be a former cop.
He seems to think all parents accused of child abuse are guilty.
He once posted from a work computer connected to a company
called FirstData out of Nebraska, doing contract telephone
operator services, I suspect. His job history is too varied
and involves some pretty menial jobs for him to be much of
a professional. In his Computer Role Playing world, he
posted a name of Ron Van Dyne, of the Northland Highlanders,
referred to himself as a Nazi in training, and saying something
like come here young one.. His photo(if real)is not impressive.

Dan pretends to be a reformer, but that is very questionable.
He seems to work more for the "status quo" even though he
seems to know that it is badly screwed up.
(Notice how he got all excited about MAKING IT WORK?)
But when I asked him if NY has CRB or Grievance process over
services he answered that I should do my own research.
He supposedly lives on Long Island in New York.
There is no confirmation that Dan Sullivan is his real name.
Dan has always asked a LOT of private questions of people
new to this newsgroup, and e-mails asking for details.
He even called up Cheryl at CPSWATCH wanting to get a phone
number for Dennis, she expressed concern that New York is not
anywhere near Illinois! I think Dan's a crocodile trying
hard to look like a log.

Kane first appeared apparently at Dan's request, supposedly was
on some administrative board over CPS somewhere, but swears
like a long shoreman. Claims some connection to Hawaii.
I suspect Kane is a role playing gamer also.

There are two or three others who appear to be CPS stooges or
"sock puppets". As is common in newsgroups, it can be pretty
hostile and sometimes spills over into harassment. The people
using their real names and real information are just pawns
in the game players game, like kids to CPS agencies.

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
m...
Roz:

The Pro-CPS game players in this newsgroup:

Ron is a foster contractor who claims to be a former cop.
He seems to think all parents accused of child abuse are guilty.
He once posted from a work computer connected to a company
called FirstData out of Nebraska, doing contract telephone
operator services, I suspect.

What a stunning revelation.... NOT!

His job history is too varied
and involves some pretty menial jobs for him to be much of
a professional. In his Computer Role Playing world, he
posted a name of Ron Van Dyne, of the Northland Highlanders,
referred to himself as a Nazi in training, and saying something
like come here young one.. His photo(if real)is not impressive.

And Dennis Deakin posted a picture of his own colon.

What should we make of that?

BTW did Ron actually post that Nazi thing?

Was it a joke?

Or did one of the NG loons post it to make him look bad?

Dan pretends to be a reformer, but that is very questionable.

Why is that?

He seems to work more for the "status quo" even though he
seems to know that it is badly screwed up.

How do I work for the "status quo?"

I helped get eleven kids out of foster care in the last year and a half.

And I've helped get dozens of defective "founded" CPS decisions reversed.

Tell me one accomplishment of your's Greg besides getting stoned on
marijuana at Dennis Deakin's?

(Notice how he got all excited about MAKING IT WORK?)
But when I asked him if NY has CRB or Grievance process over
services he answered that I should do my own research.

You can do your own research, Greg

Sittin on yer butt 24/7.

You haven't had a job in YEARS!

He supposedly lives on Long Island in New York.

That I do.

There is no confirmation that Dan Sullivan is his real name.

It's on my NY drivers license.

Dan has always asked a LOT of private questions of people
new to this newsgroup, and e-mails asking for details.

How can I help someone if I don't know the details?

He even called up Cheryl at CPSWATCH wanting to get a phone
number for Dennis, she expressed concern that New York is not
anywhere near Illinois!

I never called CPSWatch.

I emailed CPSWatch because free was signing his posts with "familyfree,
CPSWatch Illinois State Director.

I simply wanted to know if CPSWatch had a Director in Illinois and what his
REAL name was.

Dennis refused to tell me.

He told me to "find out!"

In fact he even called me a liar when I posted his REAL name as the Director
in Illinois!!!!!!

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From: )
Subject: CPSWatch Illinois State Director?
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services
Date: 2003-03-20 16:38:37 PST

"Dan Sullivan" writhen:

CPSWatch has a State Director in Illinois named Dennis Deakin.

Would that be you, Dennis?
snip

What's this junk? A ruse? There isn't anywhere on any of CPSWATCH'S great
family sanctity sites that there is a: "Dennis" Deakin listed as any
State Director. You have no proof of this "Dennis". If you do post it. Or
be the liar that you are...delusional dan.

Free.

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From: )
Subject: CPSWatch Illinois State Director?
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services
Date: 2003-03-20 19:57:21 PST

"Dan Sullivan" writhen:

I'M claiming I have verifiable proof.

Like I said, it's a ruse, You can't prove there there is a "Dennis" Deakin
listed as a state director. Post your proof or be the liar that you are.
free.

---------------------------------------------

This is the post that started the discussion off,

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From: Dan Sullivan )
Subject: CPSWatch Illinois State Director?
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services
Date: 2003-03-20 20:54:22 PST

wrote in message
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"Dan Sullivan" writhen:

CPSWatch has a State Director in Illinois named Dennis Deakin.

Would that be you, Dennis?
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What's this junk? A ruse?

Either that Dennis Deakin is you or it's not.

A yes or no answer would have been sufficient.

There isn't anywhere on any of CPSWATCH'S great
family sanctity sites that there is a: "Dennis" Deakin listed as any
State Director.

I noticed that too, Dennis.

I went to their website to check because you were signing your posts with,

"FamilyFree
Illinois State Director
CPSWATCH,INC.
http://www.cpswatch.com"

I found it odd that the State Director of an organization as serious as
CPSWatch should choose to use an alias rather than his real name.

It gave the appearance of impropriety... as if you wanted to take credit for
being the Director but still keep who you really were a secret.

So after I saw no one listed on the CPSWatch website I posted, "Has a
State Director been chosen for Illinois?"

You responded with, "Join and find out."

So I emailed CPSWatch for the answer.

Then I posted, "CPSWatch has a State Director in Illinois named Dennis
Deakin. Would that be you, Dennis?"

And in response to that you changed your signature to,

" "DEAKIN"
Illinois State Director
CPSWATCH,INC.
http://www.cpswatch.com"

Which was the first time you ever posted your last name.

And you STILL ask me if my statement is, "A ruse?"

You have no proof of this "Dennis".
If you do post it.

If that Dennis Deakin is not you why don't you just say so?

But why then is your signature, "Deakin... Illinois State Director
CPSWatch?"

Or be the liar that you are...delusional dan.

I got the name Dennis Deakin from Cheryl Barnes, National Director CPS
Watch.

Free.

--
"DEAKIN"
Illinois State Director
CPSWATCH,INC.
http://www.cpswatch.com

If you're going to conduct CPSWatch's business in Illinois the same way you
conduct yourself on this NG... they better start looking for someone else.

Dan Sullivan

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I think Dan's a crocodile trying hard to look like a log.

Here's what Doug Quirmbach, Public Relations Director of CPSWatch, wrote
about me to Chuck (Loyal Fan) the father of a little girl I helped get out
of FC in PA,

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From: Doug )
Subject: Dean Tong on radio Sunday evening Abuse-excuse
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services
Date: 2003-05-19 12:27:45 PST

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It is my understanding that you are rightfully grateful for Dan's expert
help in developing and following through with the approach you successfully
implemented. Dan's is an approach that begins by assuming a posture that CPS
mistakenly reads as submissive and then using the agency's own procedures
against them. He is like a bulldog. He never lets go. He begins with the
very accurate assumption that the caseworker goofed up and goes into the
closet to find the administrative policy or directives that define the
malpractice. He is brilliant with the tools of this approach.

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If that makes me a crocodile, I'm glad to be one.

Kane first appeared apparently at Dan's request,

That's not true.

supposedly was
on some administrative board over CPS somewhere, but swears
like a long shoreman. Claims some connection to Hawaii.
I suspect Kane is a role playing gamer also.

I believe Kane has been around a lot longer than me.

I never heard of him until I got here.

There are two or three others who appear to be CPS stooges or
"sock puppets". As is common in newsgroups, it can be pretty
hostile and sometimes spills over into harassment. The people
using their real names and real information are just pawns
in the game players game, like kids to CPS agencies.

Shall I post "Greg's Motion" again so Roz can see how adept you are at
fighting CPS?????

Dan

On 4 Aug 2003 05:08:08 -0700, (Greg Hanson) wrote:

Roz:

The Pro-CPS game players in this newsgroup:

Ron is a foster contractor who claims to be a former cop.

Wait a minute. You say he IS a foster contractor but he CLAIMS to be a
cop. Why not IS a former cop, who CLAIMS he is a foster contractor?

He seems to think all parents accused of child abuse are guilty.

Well "seems" is one thing, actually thinking that quite another.
Foster to seem to get to see rather a lot of the results from the more
tender parental care of children coming into state TC.

He once posted from a work computer connected to a company
called FirstData out of Nebraska, doing contract telephone
operator services, I suspect.

Could you give us some more of your suspicions, Detective Greg. And
one of those neat little foil badges that come in the CrackerJack box?

His job history is too varied
and involves some pretty menial jobs for him to be much of
a professional.

Hell, I've done so many menial jobs I can't remember them all, but I
can build a complete house from building the forms for the foundation
to mounting the weather vane on the chimney, all by myself, deliver a
baby, kill the enemy, be shot at by them and survive, estimate the
range and capacity of enemy aircraft to a 2 percent certainty, grow
the most exquisite of exotic orchids, and have a certificate attesting
to my skills in Ikebana. No big thing.

I also can get a child back from CPS wrongly taken by them. And get a
supervisor two fired.

I doubt Ron has caught up with me, he's much younger, but I have never
considered a menial laborer any less a man than me. My father was one,
and a kinder more intelligent man could be wished for for a father.
Got me out of foster care he did.

In his Computer Role Playing world, he
posted a name of Ron Van Dyne, of the Northland Highlanders,
referred to himself as a Nazi in training, and saying something
like come here young one..

Roz just got through posting a response to my question about those who
put pictures of their cloaca up on the web by saying she had no
trouble with what people did with their own computer on their own
time. I've a hunch, as I get to know her better, that she is fair
enough to extend that same courtesy to "the opponents."

Bong! you are the weakest link.

His photo(if real)is not impressive.

Have you ever heard the term, "cheap shot"?

Here's one for you: if Greg sits on that sofa any longer it will take
a plastic surgeon to get the pattern off his butt. But then I don't
know if Greg is your real name.

Gee wasn't it you, that because Dan asked a couple of times about a
missing player here, that accused him of stalking? r r r r

You seem, contrarily, to have gone to consider time and effort to
collect a dosier on posters.

I'm not accusing you of being a stalker or anything...but shoe, fit,
wear?

Dan pretends to be a reformer, but that is very questionable.

Well, one has to get the irony.

What seems at first glance to be just successful (did I really say
"just"?) casework to get children returned to their parents, on deeper
thought (sorry, I know you just got left behind, but try to keep up)
is a very powerful force to reform at the level Dan believes and so
states he That a major responsibility for CPS NOT working: is at
the level of worker and supervisor...the field folks.

I don't always agree with him on this from my own experience, but I'd
be the last to deny that whackin' a worker upside the head was
anything BUT powerful reform. The whackin' is usually done in hearings
and depositions and such that go on the record.

Losing a case to Dan is not just a minor embarrassment for CPS. It's a
powerful attack on the policy-to-practice gap that is the reason
children are wrongly taken. I've campaign for years for a printed best
child welfare practices document to supplement policy manuals. I
haven't had a single taker in any state I've offered to help produce
one. ****es me off big time...and I lose to Dan on that beef of mine.

A worker and their supervisor that follows policy and standard child
welfare practices even marginally well, will rarely remove a child
wrongly. Not to do so is built right in to the laws and their
resultant policies.

Try to do some actual research yourself. It might stick better than
you reading it here and falling into a hysteria induced couch
supported trance state over the possibility that you might have just
been guilty as sin in the removal of the child from your lady friends
home.

He seems to work more for the "status quo" even though he
seems to know that it is badly screwed up.

I beg to differ, and invite Dan to correct me if I interpret him
wrongly: He sees that policy and practice standards do in fact follow
the law, and could be very effective in rightfully protecting children
and families, if they were followed by caseworkers, and other
stakeholders on the side of the state.

He appears to know that caseworkers and supervisors are "badly screwed
up" and even when I disagree in general with him, I know he has cases,
including his own, that support strongly the indictment of screw ups
by the workers in those cases.

You got it backwards....................again, Greegor.

(Notice how he got all excited about MAKING IT WORK?)

You are addressing someone that apparently puts a great deal of her
own energy, and time, and probably money, to the task of and getting
"excited about" "MAKING IT WORK" Greegor.

You got it backwards......................again.

Her focus is on both levels, apparently, the case by case screwups,
and the admin level screw ups, but at no time has she suggested in any
post I've read, that "IT" needs other than to "MAKE IT WORK."

Maybe she has suggested some legislative changes. I missed those if
she did, but I still have a hunch they would be aimed at making "IT"
work like it's supposed to.

The level of your stupidity is improving......downward. Isn't that
nice?

But when I asked him if NY has CRB or Grievance process over
services he answered that I should do my own research.

Oh, I have a hunch he, like me, has become a bit synical over certain
persons in these ngs, you at the very pinnacle, that when they see
actual research done by someone else discount it and go off on little
little whine tasting tours about how they are being miscast as
villians by the bad nasty old Dan.

You're full of it.

By the way, did you run across that little list of CRBs in the states
you claimed didn't have them I posted? Now if they aren't having a CRB
for mother in your case, it is probably because they are doing 6 month
court hearings. That meets the requirement for judicial review
required. It can be CRBs or court hearings. ... but you won't do the
research to find things out like that so you continue to make a
jackasss fool of yourself here by demanding things that don't in fact
compute.

Why don't you ask CPSWatch to help you get the little girl back home.
Let's see if they can drag your ass off that couch.

He supposedly lives on Long Island in New York.

He does. I've called him. He's called me and my caller ID says it's
Dan Sullivan in New York, in exactly the town he claims to be from. Do
you suppose the phone company is lying to me, or Dan is really 007
with endless electronic gadgets designed to fool the enemy?

Or perhaps, Greg, I'm lying to you about it. Now that would be
interesting.

There is no confirmation that Dan Sullivan is his real name.

There's no confirmation that you are who you post as. Unfortuneatly
when I did a search one time on Dan after losing his phone number in a
HD crash of major proportions, and my caller ID being too old an entry
for him, I found out (like I didn't know, being a bit Irish meownself)
that Dan Sullivan may be the most common combination of Irish sur and
given names in all of the entire world, don'tchaknow.

NY, no, his county alone, had about 30 or so, maybe I'm exaggerating a
wee bit...opps! I should never say the world "Irish."

It just sets my mind off doing a jig, getting a Barry Fitzgerald glint
in me eye, and doing an extremely bad Irish brogue. My wife is NOT
amused.

Dan has always asked a LOT of private questions of people
new to this newsgroup, and e-mails asking for details.

He does?

Are they things like, when people ask for help, and describe their
situation, he asks for what state they are in, if they have a copy of
the policy manual, how old the kids are, or if they are involved in a
divorce, the very things one would have to know given the situation
described to offer anything even the least bit intelligent and to the
point.........oppps! Sorry, I guess I lost you again.

He has never, to my knowledge asked a question not perfectly in tune
with the posters request for help.

On the other hand I have seen the historonically here stupidily start
offering reams of "get your child lost for good" advice right out of
the chute on the first post of the requester.

Oddly, The Plant, bless it's Pine Tree pointy head, has on rare
occasion asked similar to-the-point questions, albeit not as good as
Dan's. Does that too offend your sensibilities?

I think I detect a large and smelly cheeze of a jealousy in your
description of Dan. A man....well, I was going to go on to describe
his qualities as a helper and supporter of families, but I had to
stop, when comparing him to you, when I said "A man"

You aren't one. Not in the sense of responsible, honest, and possessed
of some courage we usually crudely refer to as "having guts."

He even called up Cheryl at CPSWATCH wanting to get a phone
number for Dennis, she expressed concern that New York is not
anywhere near Illinois!

I think Dan once sorted that out when Dennis started the same kind of
jealous lying rant you are doing.

The willingness to defame someone that has demonstrated remarkable
success at exactly what this ng was established for, seems to set you
two off in paroxysms of bogus claims about him that are obviously
framed to influence people that he is on a sinister mission against
children, families, and all things good and wonderful about bathing
little girls by men not their parents, and being towel boys to same.

I think Dan's a crocodile trying
hard to look like a log.

I think he is too. Dan keeps and extraordinarily low profile about his
tactical ability. Were I the general planning strategy, he'd have the
floor a good deal of the time when it came to implementing my
strategy.

Though I have to admit, and ain't no slouch when it comes to setting
long terms goals....simple, straight to the point, no holds barred, no
fanciful side trips, GET THE CHILD BACK OVER ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS
strategy.

That must gall the hell out of a dunce that posts his colon on the Web
and a fool that thinks people believe his whining cry baby crap about
how he did nothing to get a little girl taken by CPS from her mother
and not returned after what, two years now?

Kane first appeared apparently at Dan's request,

Dan never knew me nor I him before this forum. I wasn't, given a
couple of things he said, quite sure at the get go that he was
genuine. I found out shortly enough he was more than my equal at what
he does for families. And he's on the short end of reseach compared to
me, but is much better at isolating what he needs to bring children
home. I'm a slob for research. He's a sharpshooter.

I just visted his URL for a form requested by a poster here. That's a
nice piece of work. It would work, with names and places changed, in
any state where it would be used.

And getting information out of CPS is one hell of a barrier, but he's
cracked it. Well. What have YOU ever done to get a child home. What
has your colon cohort ever personally done?

No wonder you fear him and Dennis writhes in hatred for him. Couple of
impotent little dicks.

supposedly was
on some administrative board over CPS somewhere,

Nope. I was a social services advisory board member to county
commissioners and later elected by that body, subject to commissioner
approval, to chair for two years waaaay back in 76 through 80.

It was a case not unlike those some Dan has done, and probably Roz has
done many times, that precipitated the invitation to the inner
workings....in other words, I kicked butt (well, the mom in question
did her share big time too) savagely enough for them to attempt to
preempt me, and I caved.

And joined the enemy. Of course in keeping my own councel I knew that
I was much more engaging with the enemy, if you get my military drift
here. I was fairly fresh out of a four year stint in military
intellegence with the USAF.

This had colored my thinking. And we still don't know for better or
worse, but a few families have said they like it. I still use that
training, and what I learned by being on the inside for awhile. I
notice the big greeting for a former caseworker. I'm crushed I'm not
so valued. Oh well....sigh

but swears
like a long shoreman.

Naw, I'm nowhere near that good. You'd know if you hung around on the
docks. But thanks for the compliment.

Claims some connection to Hawaii.

Big time, bruddah. mo bettah you no ho'eha dah Kaikamahine you find
out soon enough. Lots of Samoan bruddahs my friend. Come byembye you
place, tear you new Puka 'Okole. Not threat, bruddah, just fack.

I suspect Kane is a role playing gamer also.

Life is a game, is it not. I take great joy in playing it very well
indeed for the purposes I set for myself. One of them was set in 1976:
reform child welfare.

I did so dislike that room full of prissy old ladies in lace looking
down their noses at my hippy lady friend that had about three times
their intellect and ability.

Funny what will set you on a life path.

There are two or three others who appear to be CPS stooges or
"sock puppets".

I know. The many reincarnations of Dennis and BobSueCPS are legion.

But I thought they were anti cps?

So name these who "appear to be CPS stooges" will yah huh?

I've noticed that you couldn't spot an actual CPS stooge if they ****
on your head and it run down your nose.

You get it backwards so often.

It's the ones like Dan that give CPS the biggest fits. They already
know now to handle the lobbiests and picketers. They have a raft of PR
people and attorneys for that job, but when it comes to face to face
in the field front line casework screwup confrontations, I don't think
Dan can be beat...though I'm waiting judgement on Roz. She could turn
out to be that one reformer from a gaggle of fools like Dennis that
actually is good at it.

As is common in newsgroups, it can be pretty
hostile and sometimes spills over into harassment.

My hostility toward you is far below the high standards for hostility
you set with a girl child a third your size and with the limited
capacity to fight against what she saw as an intruder in her family.

Gee, you are good with kids. I have a baby lion cub I'd love to have
you parent, tame that is. I'll come back for him when I hear he ate
you.

The people
using their real names

Prove to us you are Greg Hanson. So far all I see is a bunch of
electronically induced squiggles on my monitor. You could be the local
branch manager for a CPS office for all I know, trolling for clients
posting to these newsgroups.

Say, I wonder who could have called in CPS on a client that posted
here. I heard a rumor that was done, and I know blood dancers when I
see them. And how low they can stoop to be "right."

and real information

You post real information? "Real," as in accurate and valuable?

Okay, repost your motion to the court in your girl friend's case so
Roz can make her own judgement.

Apparently she's helped a number of families get children back. I'm
sure she could use such a model of powerful, pursuasive, rhetoric as
that motion. Come on, share it with us again. I have sufficient
capacity to supress the gag reflex to be forced to read it again.

are just pawns
in the game players game,

You are the player you cast yourself to be in your own life's play.

Gee, The Bard had nothing on me, eh?

And you fit that playbill to a tee.

like kids to CPS agencies.

You? A man that through your own devices managed to faced punched by
an irate grandfather and get a kid taken by CPS. And kept the child
there there by influencing the court so eloquently.

Don't compare yourself to real victims.

You were the winner. The child the real loser.

You appear to have cost a child her mother and a mother her child
though I'm losing my sympathy for the mother, moment by sickening
moment, as I read your pap. For two years she's chosen you over her
child. That's not good.

Got a job yet? Wait long enough an maybe you can get SSI for an
overspread fat butt that disables you.

To your health,

Kane

(Greg Hanson) wrote in message om...

There are two or three others who appear to be CPS stooges or
"sock puppets". As is common in newsgroups, it can be pretty
hostile and sometimes spills over into harassment. The people
using their real names and real information are just pawns
in the game players game, like kids to CPS agencies.

So.... Am I a "sock puppet", or a "pawn"?


--Steph