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Part 1: Jan Drew's no Hatred For Jews
"Mark Thorson" wrote in message ... Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20...0mb-mf.aol.com Perhaps it was some kind of ritual abuse by someone of the Jewish faith. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....43f28dbc360bc7 2003 Subject: Toxic Chemials in the body From: (DEBBEE1023) Date: 2/2/03 10:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time Message-id: What I do for a living is irrelevant. Jan brings that us when she has run out of totally stupid things tosay, and needs to lower her rhetoric to the totally moronic. You mean cross dressing as a woman and trying to get into a women's support group is irrelevant? I could just imagine how horrible the abuse that Mark must have sustained as a child to prevent him from forming normal relationships with people and fear of intimacy. Hey, I know, he should start hiking in the nude and watching others do what come naturally. Or was that Rich?? I guess if one has a fear of intimacy, they just settle for watching others. Hmmm. It is just another example of the difficulty that he has in communicating. Perhaps it was some kind of ritual abuse by someone of the Jewish faith. Maybe that would explain his intense attitude in speakinng of others' ill and dead parents. In any case it is pretty clear to me (and others) that Rich needs help. His anger is totally out of control as suggested by his cyberstalking. Sadly he is in such denial that all he could do is project his own problems onto others accusing them of lying and of needing help. Talk about impaired reality testing!! And I wonder why that man (RJ) who often complains about how selective people are about criticism does not say a peep about Mark, Andrew or any other buddies, continuing to wish that people would die. Can you say hypocrisy?? Also no comment about Mark's lying, Andrew's wishing disabilities, or his own behavior.. The silence speaks volumes!! Lord have mercy on his soul. Jan Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20...0mb-mw.aol.com I have no problem with anyone being Jewish, God has a problem when people deny that Jesus is the son of God. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....f6585be8c9aaa2 2002 Subject: cleaning a green life juicer From: Eric Bohlman Date: 12/30/2002 12:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Jan) wrote in : I have NO anti semitism. OK, let's put this to the test. You seem rather interested Jan. Any particular reason? He is angry because I have proved him a liar so many times, as well as shown he has NO medical qualifications to be an advisor on a anti-quackery commitee making medical decisons and of course he is totally biased. OK, so far no anti-semitism in the above paragraph. Another habit is covering for his buddies. Hmmm, what does that mean? Looks like you're about to give an example. There are plenty of them, if you care to look them up. Peter says he is a Christian, but he is silent about Mark's non belief of Jesus. Oh I see, he doesn't have a problem with someone else being Jewish and that's called "being silent" and "covering for" that person. No, you are getting off track. The belief system that holds that "being silent" about someone else's Judaism amounts to "covering for" that person is known as, you guessed it, anti-semitism. Nope, think not. I have no problem with anyone being Jewish, God has a problem when people deny that Jesus is the son of God. You managed to last one whole (single-sentence) paragraph between your assertion that you had no anti-semitism and your expression of an anti- semitic point of view. That's pathetic. IMHO YOU are pathetic! Based on the below. Jan From: Eric Bohlman ) Subject: My friend Jeff View: Complete Thread (10 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: soc.support.youth.gay-lesbian-bi Date: 2002-10-12 21:55:00 PST wrote in : Funny! I heard a psychologist describing the problems he had counting teenage lesbians. His subjects seemed to define lesbian as a middle aged, radical liberal, politically active man hating woman. They didn't deny that they were romantic with girls, but they weren't middle aged or politically active or hate men so they claimed they were not lesbians.Similarly, quite a few gay men never considered themselves as gay until well into adulthood simply because they never fit the "boy with girlish interests and behavior" stereotype, weren't club kids, or never desired receptive anal sex. That's a good reason not to get hung up on labels; they almost always take on extra connotations ("baggage") that isn't implied by their literal meaning.In fact, in many times and places, the gender of one's desired partners hasn't been treated as what you might call a "characteristic of primary potency," a particularly important aspect of one's identity. While I think the Focauldians are being overly obscurantist when they claim that sexual orientation as we know it didn't exist in those times and places, it's true that the social connotations that we in contemporary Western society attach to sexual orientation aren't the only ones possible and have no special claim to being some form of objective reality (other than as an accurate description of contemporary Western attitudes).For example, in contemporary Latin America as I understand it a man who's sexual attracted exclusively to other men and prefers exclusively "top" roles during sex isn't socially considered all that different from a man who's exclusively attracted to women and prefers exclusively "top" roles (the latter being regarded as the default). It's a distinction, but not one that has much of an identity built around it. The distinction may be important to the individual, but not to other people. OTOH, a man who behaves in a particularly feminine (according to the culture's norms; what's considered "masculine" or "feminine" definitely varies with time and place) manner and prefers "bottom" roles *is* treated as belonging to a socially distinct category.The same phenomenon applies to other social/political labels. Many women don't consider themselves "feminists," yet hold pretty much the same attitudes as famous feminist leaders. Many Americans hold political beliefs that fall well within the classical definition of liberalism, but don't identify themselves as "liberals." People sometimes talk about whether someone "acts white" or "acts black." Some of this probably stems from the common tendency to characterize a group by the traits of its most extreme members; thus "feminism" and "liberalism" come to connote the most radical aspects of the philosophies rather than their mainstream.As I've said many times here, a great book to read is Gordon Allport's _The Nature of Prejudice_ which is still relevant today although many of the examples (the book was written in the mid-1950s) may seem a little dated today. Of special interest are the sections on category formation, group differences, and "labels of primary potency." From: Eric Bohlman ) Subject: My friend Jeff View: Complete Thread (10 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: soc.support.youth.gay-lesbian-bi Date: 2002-10-08 14:25:12 PST Stevie D wrote : Groober wrote: I have a friend who maintained that lesbians were'icky and pervy' until I told her that I was one. If she still holds these beliefs, she hides it very well. I think sometimes that's what it takes for a person who is slightly homophobic to realise that they were wrong - finding that one of their friends is gay. I'm sure that one of my long-standing friends has been a lot happier about homosexuality since I came out.OTOH, sometimes what happens is that the person retains their homophobia, but makes an exception for the person he knows. I think that's likely to happen when the person's homophobia includes a strong component of fear of the unknown. Because you the close friend or acquaintance are a known quantity, you aren't seen as threatening, but the person can't seem to generalize that to other people. I was reminded of this when Keith Meinhold,a petty officer in the US Navy, came out in the early 1990s. Many of his shipmates remained opposed to allowing openly gay people to serve in the military yet had no problem with Meinhold serving. He was a known quantity; he didn't threaten them. But the rest of gay people were an unknown "them." From: Eric Bohlman ) Subject: My friend Jeff View: Complete Thread (10 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: soc.support.youth.gay-lesbian-bi Date: 2002-09-15 22:00:14 PST wrote in : hey all, i just instant messaged my friend Jeff (the hottest guy ever but hes str8) about if he has a problem with gay people. His answer? He said "honestly...a little bit." I did all this on another screen name so he wouldn't know who i was. I said "I'm gay and I'm attracted to you", he said "that's great..." "don't ever talk to me again" and that was that. So I cannot ever reveal myself that I am bi to him. If I do its toast for me, no more friendship. Just wanted to let you know that. it really sucks cuz I am attracted to him but I can never tell him that. Which is fine with me since I can't change anyones orientation anyways. I think you may be jumping to one or more conclusions here. You really don't know how he'd react if one of his friends told him they weren't straight. What you've seen is how he'd react if a random stranger messaged him and said he was gay and attracted to him. That's something completely different, as the Monty Python crowd would say. I think a lot of kids would feel a little creeped-out if some guy came out of nowhere and started hitting on them electronically. For that matter, I think a lot of girls would find being hit on by a random male stranger creepy, at least the first time it happened to them (it's apparently a fairly common experience).So I wouldn't be using words like "never" here. At best, you've seen the first thing he blurts out when he's suddenly put under fire. That may not be a good indication of his real personality. From: Eric Bohlman ) Subject: Girls? View: Complete Thread (3 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: soc.support.youth.gay-lesbian-bi Date: 2002-09-02 14:45:14 PST wrote in : Hey I wonder if I can get the same sexual pleasure with a girl. I am bi and have never ****ed a girl before or even hung out on a date. Do you think it's time to? All i have dated and had sex with were guys. And does anybody know where I can find something called Project Q or ARCW? I had cuddled with a new friend Michael tonight. He's 27. WeA quick Google search turns up several gay-related organizations called Project Q; since you know better than any of us which one you're looking for, why not try the same thing? almost had sex but his good morales kicked in and then my good morals kicked in and we agreed not to **** which was good but we had a great time cuddling and he gave me some good advice. At least theres one guy in this world thats not a one night stander. He said to email him and call him (He called 4 times today actually lol to see when we could meet) and we met tonight. He's very cute but says we can only be friends which is ok I guess. What I think about that? Well since he is 27 and I am 18 I guess he is too old for me--just outside of my age range 15-26 years old. I prefer someone a little younger but friends is cool enough. That strikes me as a little arbitrary, since he's just one year outside the age range you've set. But if he doesn't want to rush into something, you need to respect that. Anyways back to the original subject Girls. i think its time for me to go out with some. Women have a different side than men do. They have (what I'd like to call it) a lighter, softer side. Maybe that's why they don't play football but, I kinda am curious about that lighter side and what it has in store for me. So I am going to ask my friend Natalie and ask her if she has any friends that would go out with me on a date. I would really like to try it with a girl and see what happens. If I don't like it it means I'm 100% gay. If I do, it means I'm bi. Wish me luck. I don't think things work like that. In general, when people try sex or a relationship because they think they "should" or that "it's time to," they often don't enjoy it very much. And people's "first time" with either sex often isn't all that enjoyable either, simply because most people are usually quite nervous in such a situation. A much better criterion is whether you really *want* a relationship with a girl *for its own sake* rather than to "prove" something. Yes, I know that can be hard to tell at times. But there's no need to rush things. Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20...0mb-fn.aol.com Thank you, and expect to be attacked by Mark Probert, a jew. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....459c2fccf2eb71 2002 Subject: cleaning a green life juicer From: "David L. Hanson" Date: 12/29/2002 8:59 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: "S T Thomas" wrote in newsGDP9.17$Qw2.1929 @newsfep2-gui: I am having problems cleaning my Green Life/Power Juicer, it seems to acquire stains that are difficult to move, on the plastic parts. DOes anyone have any suggestions how to deal with this? We have had the Green Power juicer for seven years. We juice carrots, kale, and ginger root every day but Sunday (we juice oranges or grapefruit with a citric juicer on Sundays so we have time to get ready for Church services). We use baking soda and water with a stiff brush to remove orange carrot stain from the external services. The internal orange color will not completely go away but we scrape it away with a dull knife periodically. Regards, David "Jesus saith unto him, I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME." John 14:6 Thank you, and expect to be attacked by Mark Probert, a jew. Jan Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20...0mb-bg.aol.com The only reason I called Andrew a jew boy is because he posted 10 commmandments and he doesn't believe in God or the bible. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....e06775418c0c65 If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too! LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME Clinical findings: Patient presents with long list of complaints. This is obviously a sign of increasing workload, resulting in "way too much of my time". Diagnosis is confirmed when patient expresses relief to know that there is a name for all of her suffering. Referral to a specialist will undoubtedly confirm suspicions. Conclusion: Patient has a deep-seated need to have me pay attention to each of her concerns. Possible psychological pattern of believing that she is really suffering. If patient persists in this pattern - possible referral to psychiatric department. Prognosis: No further appointments necessary. DEAF DOCTOR SYNDROME Clinical Findings: Patient presents with extensive history of .....................................Complaints of chronic..................patient is exhibiting frustration throughout this consultation............. Diagnosis is confirmed when patient admits that doctors don't listen to him. Conclusions: No treatment necessary. Offered anti-depressants, since the patient's state of mind deteriorated to a crying episode. Possible referral in the future to the mental health department if this pattern persists. Prognosis: Fair. Even better if he learns to accept his condition. STUPID DOCTOR SYNDROME Cliinical Findings: Patient presents with verry complicatedd medical histry. I've never seen heard anything like it. I don't remebner andfy thihngv about thisdh isn school. Patenti insists that there musssst be something woring. This is very confusing. I don't theink the patient is making sense. Concluzons: Diagnosis confirmed by the patients beelief that there is more infocaation out there than i know. Inuated tha t i am all doctrs ar stupid. Prognsos: It is obvios that this ptient is faking.. MORON DOCTOR SYNDROME (Please see, above. This syndrome is synonymous with Stupid Doctor Syndrome. Some increased degree of anger and frustration is noted in the patient, thus the difference) ACCOUNTANT-INDUCED PAIN SYNDROME (Synonymous with Managed Care Syndrome, and HMO Syndrome.) Clinical Findings: The patient presents with continued pain complaints even though she knows that she has fibromyalgia. As doctors it is our responsibility to not contribute to the patient's denial of condition. The patient specifically continues to request referrals to physical therapies, including massage therapy, and water therapy as possible treatments to relieve her symptoms. Diagnosis is confirmed when it is obvious that she would like us to pay for relief from her suffering. Prognosis: Good if we can get patient to agree to psychiatric help as this is a far more reasonable expense on our part. The patient is delusional which points in the direction of psychological origin. Minimal follow- up until patient gives up. WAR AGAINST DRUGS SYNDROME Clinical Findings: Patient presents with a history of unrelenting chronic pain. Serum tests all show normal. Patient has an obvious desire to obtain drugs. Has even gone as far as to research on the Internet about medications so that she could obtain the desired effects. Conclusion: Obviously a drug- seeker. If patient is able to obtain drugs from another physician, or if she attempts to schedule another appointment then, the diagnosis will be confirmed. Prognosis: Guarded-- patient will most likely become a drug addict. ANAL RETENTIVE DOCTOR SYNDROME Clinical Findings: Patient presents with symptoms that do not fit into any of the categories I am familiar with. Patient refuses to fit into my standards. Results of standard blood workup suggests pyschosomatic symptoms as explanation. Referral to Psychiatric Department. Prognosis: Poor - most likely patient will develop full- blown hypochondria. ARROGANT DOCTOR SYNDROME (This syndrome is also known as Egotistical Pompous Ass Syndrome) Clinical Findings: Patient presents with a very well organized history of symptoms going back for years. Her extensive complaints are supplemented with research information and resources. Patient is fluent in verbal communication involving medical terminology. She exhibits an abhorrent interest in her own state of being. Conclusion: The patient is obviously suffering from mental illness. Questioned use of anti-depressants. Patient confirms use of drugs normally prescribed for mental illness. Prognosis: Patient's prognosis is yet to be determined. Poor, if factors contributing to the mental illness exhibited by patient's insistence that I order specific tests, and delusions of grandeur with the belief that she could possibly be as smart or smarter than I am continue. Refuse all future appointment requests until maladaptive behavior ceases. "FRAIDY CAT" DOCTOR SYNDROME Clinical Findings: Patient presents with complicated history and list of symptoms. Patient says she needs relief from her suffering. Conclusion: This may be a time-consuming process of determining what brings the patient relief. It may be impossible. I may not win. I need to always be right. Patient expectations of me are greater than what I can accomplish. Risks noted. Prognosis: Guarded -- will refer on to someone else. (SYNONYMOUS WITH FEAR OF COMMITTMENT SYNDROME and FEAR OF FAILURE SYNDROME.) BURDEN PLACING DISEASE (Secondary to any of the above Syndromes for unknown reason. This is by far one of the most common complications of Fibromyalgia.) Clinical Findings: Patient presents with Fibromyalgia. She is cognitive that she has this disease, yet she insists that she has other medical problems. I persuaded patient that it was her responsibility to deal with the disease, yet she continued to ask "me" questions about previous or new symptoms. Conclusion: Patient is confused and anxious. She refuses to acknowledge that all of her symptoms are the result of the syndrome and the burden is hers. Classic denial. Prognosis: Unknown -- Bubba "When you got nothin', you got nothin' to lose." - Bob Dylan -- Bubba "When you got nothin', you got nothin' to lose." - Bob Dylan Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20...0mb-fj.aol.com And my calling Andrew a jew boy was NOT racists. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....e06775418c0c65 Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20...0mb-bg.aol.com If I had called him, ass clown, idiot, moron, a lying stack of ****, or told him to F**k off, that would be A OK,,,,,,,,,,right? http://groups.google.com/group/misc....e06775418c0c65 Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20...0mb-bg.aol.com What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was exactly because you are a jew. The same as you calling me a methodist or baptist girl. It doesn't even come close to all the names you have called and your constant trash talk. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....e06775418c0c65 Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20...0mb-fe.aol.com Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments* Jew Boy. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....e06775418c0c65 |
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On Apr 2, 7:04*pm, Mark Thorson wrote:
Mark Thorson wrote: Jan Drew wrote: Who repeated? Do show where I have repeated anti-Semitic posts. So far as I remember, she creates new ones each time. It's like calling Klaus Barbie a "repeated murderer", when he in fact never murdered anybody more than once. Unlike you, who murders each day's thread many times. |
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On Apr 2, 11:52*am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative Bee wrote: : let's move forward instead of backwards.. Why don't you start by posting a direct criticism of Jan Drew for her repeated anti-Semitic posts? Because the purpose of this newsgroup is discussion of alternative health matters, not anyone's personal grievances. That you purposely use whatever tactic you can to disrupt a constructive flow of ideas here means you have no moral grounds for condemnation of others. |
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In misc.health.alternative Mark Thorson wrote:
: Jan Drew wrote: : "Richard Schultz" wrote in message : ... : In misc.health.alternative Bee wrote: : : let's move forward instead of backwards.. : Why don't you start by posting a direct criticism of Jan Drew for her : repeated anti-Semitic posts? : Who repeated? : Do show where I have repeated anti-Semitic posts. : So far as I remember, she creates new ones each time. She repeatedly posts anti-Semitic material -- even she admits that. I suppose that I would have been more clear had I written ". . . her repeatedly posting anti-Semitic material." ----- Richard Schultz Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." |
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In misc.health.alternative Bee wrote:
: On Apr 2, 8:52?am, (Richard Schultz) wrote: : Why don't you start by posting a direct criticism of Jan Drew for her : repeated anti-Semitic posts? : : Why don't you? I would think that it would pretty much go without saying that I object to the posting of anti-Semitic material. As it happens, I have criticized her for doing so, although sometimes rather indirectly (as in referring her to Biblical passages that she has obviously never read). ----- Richard Schultz Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." |
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On Apr 3, 1:18*am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative Mark Thorson wrote:: Jan Drew wrote: : "Richard Schultz" wrote in message ... : In misc.health.alternative Bee wrote: : : let's move forward instead of backwards.. : Why don't you start by posting a direct criticism of Jan Drew for her : repeated anti-Semitic posts? : Who repeated? : Do show where I have repeated anti-Semitic posts. : So far as I remember, she creates new ones each time. She repeatedly posts anti-Semitic material -- even she admits that. *I suppose that I would have been more clear had I written ". . . her repeatedly posting anti-Semitic material." I'm pretty certain that you are mistaken on the first point. I can't recall Jan ever admitting being an anti-Semite. Her sense of denial dwarfs her insight into her own behavior. Jan often disputes the charge of anti-Semitism by insisting that her slurs are facts. In other instances, she refutes the charge of anti-Semitism by implying that her target(s) deserve her abuse. Here's an example recently quoted by Mark. "The only reason I called Andrew a jew boy is because he posted 10 commmandments and he doesn't believe in God or the bible" And yes, it is more clear to say that Jan repeatedly posts anti- Semitic. Ironically, it is Mark who _repeats_ anti-Semitic posts, obviously for a different reason than the original poster (Jan) intended. C'est la MHA! ----- Richard Schultz * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." |
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In misc.health.alternative The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
: On Apr 3, 1:18?am, (Richard Schultz) wrote: : In misc.health.alternative Mark Thorson wrote:: Jan Drew wrote: : : Who repeated? : : Do show where I have repeated anti-Semitic posts. : : : So far as I remember, she creates new ones each time. : : She repeatedly posts anti-Semitic material -- even she admits that. ?I : suppose that I would have been more clear had I written ". . . her : repeatedly posting anti-Semitic material." : I'm pretty certain that you are mistaken on the first point. I can't : recall Jan ever admitting being an anti-Semite. Her admission is found in the material of hers that I quoted. ----- Richard Schultz Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." |
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc....6e093ce5663226 Richard Schultz wrote: In misc.health.alternative Mark Thorson wrote: : Jan Drew wrote: : "Richard Schultz" wrote in message : ... : In misc.health.alternative Bee wrote: : : let's move forward instead of backwards.. : Why don't you start by posting a direct criticism of Jan Drew for her : repeated anti-Semitic posts? : Who repeated? : Do show where I have repeated anti-Semitic posts. : So far as I remember, she creates new ones each time. She repeatedly posts anti-Semitic material -- even she admits that. I suppose that I would have been more clear had I written ". . . her repeatedly posting anti-Semitic material." I see you didn't reply to me. Furthermore, *So far as I remember* by Mark Thorson is hardly proof. He also can't remember that he lied about Cell Tech. Now..prove the repeated posting anti-Semitic material by me. Groups View all web results » Results 91 - 93 of 93 for Mark thorson Part 1 Jan Drew's Hatred for Jews Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 10 of 103 for Mark thorson Part 2 Jan Drew's Hatred for Jews Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 10 of 19 for Mark thorson Part 3 Jan Drew's Hatred for Jews 2,470 results for Mark Thorson Jan Drew |
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