reliable autism stats?

On Nov 2, 3:30 pm, wrote:
On Nov 2, 1:11 pm, SanHolo wrote:

Take a look at the definitions of autism; as with many other
psychiatric disorders, it is very difficult to identify what's causing
them. You can't see anything like you see a brain tumor, you can't
measure anything like you can measure your blood pressure, there are
no comprehensible risk factors like obesity or smoking.

Actually, it appears that you can measure biochemical abnormalities
associated with autism. See: http://hriptc.org/metal_autism.html

Ed Friedman

This is so bad it makes me sorry I was trained as a scientist.

They state "these data suggest that an inborn error of MT functioning
may be a fundamental cause of autism."

Cause my ass.

The inability to metabolize and excrete Hg and Al may be fundamental
as the data shows. We have abundant data to show that the inability
to excrete Hg and Al designates those who will develop autism
symptoms.

The INJECTION of mercury and/or aluminum into the tissues is the cause
of autism.

The CAUSE of autism is clear.

The injection of Hg+Al+toxins into the tissues, bypassing the
protective mechanisms of the digestive system and the gut, produce
toxic syndromes in those indivduals who cannot safely metabolize and
excrete the toxic load that they have been injected with.

To hell with psuedo-scientific medicine and the profits of big pharma.

DrCee
Not a member of the medical monopoly
Not a member of the church of modern medicine.

On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:30 pm, wrote:

Actually, it appears that you can measure biochemical abnormalities
associated with autism. See: http://hriptc.org/metal_autism.html

Ed Friedman

This is so bad it makes me sorry I was trained as a scientist.

They state "these data suggest that an inborn error of MT functioning
may be a fundamental cause of autism."

Cause my ass.

The inability to metabolize and excrete Hg and Al may be fundamental
as the data shows. We have abundant data to show that the inability
to excrete Hg and Al designates those who will develop autism
symptoms.

I am totally puzzled by your answer. You claim that you are a
scientist, yet you find 499 out of 503 not statistically significant?
You claim that inability to excrete Hg and Al causes autism, yet
defective MT functioning doesn't???? Since defective MT functioning
means that you are unable to properly excrete Hg and Al (plus problems
handling other metals as well), then what is the basis for your
disparaging defective MT functioning as a fundamental cause of
autism? If you think about it, this also explains why the rate of
autism hasn't dropped even after removing mercury from vaccines.

Finally, as a non-scientific anecdotal observation, I know someone
with an autistic son who has been receiving treatment from Pfeiffer
based on their theory of defective MT functioning as being the case of
autism. His improvement has been essentially miraculous as observed
by his doctors, specialists, teachers, parents, etc. Basically,
before treatment he ignored all other children and treated them as
pieces of furniture to be walked around. After treatment, he plays
with other children (and even initiates hugs on some special friends),
as well as rapidly catching up in his backwards development in all
other areas as well. I'm eagerly awaiting Pfeiffer's paper when they
reveal the final statistics of their treatment.

Ed Friedman

I know someone
with an autistic son who has been receiving treatment from Pfeiffer
based on their theory of defective MT functioning as being the case of
autism. His improvement has been essentially miraculous as observed
by his doctors, specialists, teachers, parents, etc.


Welll DUH! If you treat defective MT, Then the child
can NOW excrete heavy metals! Now that takes a rocket scientist to
understand!



On Nov 2, 5:39 pm, wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:50 pm, wrote:





On Nov 2, 3:30 pm, wrote:

Actually, it appears that you can measure biochemical abnormalities
associated with autism. See: http://hriptc.org/metal_autism.html

Ed Friedman

This is so bad it makes me sorry I was trained as a scientist.

They state "these data suggest that an inborn error of MT functioning
may be a fundamental cause of autism."

Cause my ass.

The inability to metabolize and excrete Hg and Al may be fundamental
as the data shows. We have abundant data to show that the inability
to excrete Hg and Al designates those who will develop autism
symptoms.

I am totally puzzled by your answer. You claim that you are a
scientist, yet you find 499 out of 503 not statistically significant?
You claim that inability to excrete Hg and Al causes autism, yet
defective MT functioning doesn't???? Since defective MT functioning
means that you are unable to properly excrete Hg and Al (plus problems
handling other metals as well), then what is the basis for your
disparaging defective MT functioning as a fundamental cause of
autism? If you think about it, this also explains why the rate of
autism hasn't dropped even after removing mercury from vaccines.

Finally, as a non-scientific anecdotal observation, I know someone
with an autistic son who has been receiving treatment from Pfeiffer
based on their theory of defective MT functioning as being the case of
autism. His improvement has been essentially miraculous as observed
by his doctors, specialists, teachers, parents, etc. Basically,
before treatment he ignored all other children and treated them as
pieces of furniture to be walked around. After treatment, he plays
with other children (and even initiates hugs on some special friends),
as well as rapidly catching up in his backwards development in all
other areas as well. I'm eagerly awaiting Pfeiffer's paper when they
reveal the final statistics of their treatment.

Ed Friedman- Hide quoted text -

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On Nov 2, 7:29 pm, wrote:
On Nov 2, 2:11 pm, SanHolo wrote:

On Nov 1, 4:24 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" wrote:

So what is the cause of autism? How come the official medicine is clueless?

Take a look at the definitions of autism; as with many other
psychiatric disorders, it is very difficult to identify what's causing
them. You can't see anything like you see a brain tumor, you can't
measure anything like you can measure your blood pressure, there are
no comprehensible risk factors like obesity or smoking.

How about checking the toxic metal load ( Hg and Al ) the child is
experiencing? How about the porphorin blood test?

You could then add mercury excretion levels and then the levels
following chelation challenge.

Those are two good approaches to the problem and are currently broadly
investigated, but the mechanism is not understood and the results so
far are not clear and do not correlate too much. Plus there is the
problem of nutrition, ban fish from your plate and your Hg-excretion
will drop considerably.
This is a good approach, but it is far from knowing what is going on.


Since Hg and Al cause physical brain damage, a psychiatrist is the
last person to look to for real and resonable answers.

You obviously have no idea of the work of a psychiatrist.


On Nov 2, 9:50 pm, wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:30 pm, wrote:

The inability to metabolize and excrete Hg and Al may be fundamental
as the data shows. We have abundant data to show that the inability
to excrete Hg and Al designates those who will develop autism
symptoms.

The INJECTION of mercury and/or aluminum into the tissues is the cause
of autism.

The CAUSE of autism is clear.

The injection of Hg+Al+toxins into the tissues, bypassing the
protective mechanisms of the digestive system and the gut, produce
toxic syndromes in those indivduals who cannot safely metabolize and
excrete the toxic load that they have been injected with.

You should not have been omitting your immunology courses. And if it
was true what you say, why has the autism-rate _not_ dropped since the
omission of anything related to Hg (Thiomersal) from vaccines? Why
does not develop anybody, who gets himself tattooed, autism? There's
plenty of heavy metals in there, even thiomersal is in some tattoo-
inks, I'm sure you know that. And all those coast dwellers, are they
all autistic? I mean, the Hg-load of fish is far greater than the load
of thiomersal in vaccines - and thiomersal is not even real Hg, it
only contains one Hg atom.

Do you have any explanation for that?

Why
does not develop anybody, who gets himself tattooed, autism? There's
plenty of heavy metals in there, even thiomersal is in some tattoo-
inks, I'm sure you know that. And all those coast dwellers, are they
all autistic? I mean, the Hg-load of fish is far greater than the load
of thiomersal in vaccines - and thiomersal is not even real Hg, it
only contains one Hg atom.


Mercury(Thimerosal) Can target the kidneys, liver, brain and heart.
This is NOT just about Autism, Its about a lot of diffrent disorders
that was caused by injecting mercury into infants. Im getting tired of
people
not having thier facts straight and just focusing on one disorder when
it
is well known that mercury causes lots of diffrent neurological
disorders....


Parkinsons, Alzheimer's, heart disease, kidney disease, liver
disease..... For
the Adults!


Enjoy your flu vaccine and have a nice piece of Swordfish while you're
at it!






On Nov 2, 6:09 pm, SanHolo wrote:
On Nov 2, 7:29 pm, wrote:





On Nov 2, 2:11 pm, SanHolo wrote:

On Nov 1, 4:24 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" wrote:

So what is the cause of autism? How come the official medicine is clueless?

Take a look at the definitions of autism; as with many other
psychiatric disorders, it is very difficult to identify what's causing
them. You can't see anything like you see a brain tumor, you can't
measure anything like you can measure your blood pressure, there are
no comprehensible risk factors like obesity or smoking.

How about checking the toxic metal load ( Hg and Al ) the child is
experiencing? How about the porphorin blood test?

You could then add mercury excretion levels and then the levels
following chelation challenge.

Those are two good approaches to the problem and are currently broadly
investigated, but the mechanism is not understood and the results so
far are not clear and do not correlate too much. Plus there is the
problem of nutrition, ban fish from your plate and your Hg-excretion
will drop considerably.
This is a good approach, but it is far from knowing what is going on.

Since Hg and Al cause physical brain damage, a psychiatrist is the
last person to look to for real and resonable answers.

You obviously have no idea of the work of a psychiatrist.

On Nov 2, 9:50 pm, wrote:





On Nov 2, 3:30 pm, wrote:

The inability to metabolize and excrete Hg and Al may be fundamental
as the data shows. We have abundant data to show that the inability
to excrete Hg and Al designates those who will develop autism
symptoms.

The INJECTION of mercury and/or aluminum into the tissues is the cause
of autism.

The CAUSE of autism is clear.

The injection of Hg+Al+toxins into the tissues, bypassing the
protective mechanisms of the digestive system and the gut, produce
toxic syndromes in those indivduals who cannot safely metabolize and
excrete the toxic load that they have been injected with.

You should not have been omitting your immunology courses. And if it
was true what you say, why has the autism-rate _not_ dropped since the
omission of anything related to Hg (Thiomersal) from vaccines? Why
does not develop anybody, who gets himself tattooed, autism? There's
plenty of heavy metals in there, even thiomersal is in some tattoo-
inks, I'm sure you know that. And all those coast dwellers, are they
all autistic? I mean, the Hg-load of fish is far greater than the load
of thiomersal in vaccines - and thiomersal is not even real Hg, it
only contains one Hg atom.

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"Kevysmom" wrote in message
s.com...
Why
does not develop anybody, who gets himself tattooed, autism?

It would be or is very difficult to separate those with autism and those who
get themselves tattooed. (Same symptoms)

On Nov 2, 11:44 pm, Kevysmom wrote:
Why

does not develop anybody, who gets himself tattooed, autism? There's
plenty of heavy metals in there, even thiomersal is in some tattoo-
inks, I'm sure you know that. And all those coast dwellers, are they
all autistic? I mean, the Hg-load of fish is far greater than the load
of thiomersal in vaccines - and thiomersal is not even real Hg, it
only contains one Hg atom.

Mercury(Thimerosal) Can target the kidneys, liver, brain and heart.
This is NOT just about Autism, Its about a lot of diffrent disorders
that was caused by injecting mercury into infants. Im getting tired of
people
not having thier facts straight and just focusing on one disorder when
it
is well known that mercury causes lots of diffrent neurological
disorders....

Errr, I wasn't talking about what-else-can-mercury-cause, I was only
pointing out the different sources of Hg and I was pointing out that
removing Hg from the equation does not make the autism rate go down.
That's what the thread is all about.
Oh, and thiomersal is not mercury, you shold not forget that.


Parkinsons, Alzheimer's, heart disease, kidney disease, liver
disease..... For
the Adults!

It's a simple world you live in, naming one simple cause for a broad
range of diseases. Why don't you just heal them all and become rich
and famous? What's holding you?


Enjoy your flu vaccine and have a nice piece of Swordfish while you're
at it!

I'll definitively get my flu shot as every year. Or should I be scared
by all the "evidence" you guys are telling here? I'm not.

"Kevysmom" wrote in message
s.com...
Why
does not develop anybody, who gets himself tattooed, autism? There's
plenty of heavy metals in there, even thiomersal is in some tattoo-
inks, I'm sure you know that. And all those coast dwellers, are they
all autistic? I mean, the Hg-load of fish is far greater than the load
of thiomersal in vaccines - and thiomersal is not even real Hg, it
only contains one Hg atom.


Mercury(Thimerosal) Can target the kidneys, liver, brain and heart.
This is NOT just about Autism, Its about a lot of diffrent disorders
that was caused by injecting mercury into infants. Im getting tired of
people
not having thier facts straight and just focusing on one disorder when
it
is well known that mercury causes lots of diffrent neurological
disorders....


Parkinsons, Alzheimer's, heart disease, kidney disease, liver
disease..... For
the Adults!


Enjoy your flu vaccine and have a nice piece of Swordfish while you're
at it!




Mercury poisoning


A new study says from coal burning.

Power plants mostly then home use.

Of course everyone knows we will use more atomic energy and American oil.
(Fat chance)

There is more shale oil in America than ALL the oil in the mid-east.

Oh, and thiomersal is not mercury, you shold not forget that.


Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which has the same toxic
properties as methylmercury.


It's a simple world you live in, naming one simple cause for a broad
range of diseases.


I was making a point. But you couldnt see it.



Why don't you just heal them all and become rich
and famous? What's holding you?


Im working on it, Not to become rich and famous..But to cure children
and
to prevent any other children from harm.



I'll definitively get my flu shot as every year. Or should I be scared
by all the "evidence" you guys are telling here? I'm not.-


Your choice. Im not here to scare anyone, Im here to inform others.




On Nov 2, 7:26 pm, SanHolo wrote:
On Nov 2, 11:44 pm, Kevysmom wrote:





Why

does not develop anybody, who gets himself tattooed, autism? There's
plenty of heavy metals in there, even thiomersal is in some tattoo-
inks, I'm sure you know that. And all those coast dwellers, are they
all autistic? I mean, the Hg-load of fish is far greater than the load
of thiomersal in vaccines - and thiomersal is not even real Hg, it
only contains one Hg atom.

Mercury(Thimerosal) Can target the kidneys, liver, brain and heart.
This is NOT just about Autism, Its about a lot of diffrent disorders
that was caused by injecting mercury into infants. Im getting tired of
people
not having thier facts straight and just focusing on one disorder when
it
is well known that mercury causes lots of diffrent neurological
disorders....

Errr, I wasn't talking about what-else-can-mercury-cause, I was only
pointing out the different sources of Hg and I was pointing out that
removing Hg from the equation does not make the autism rate go down.
That's what the thread is all about.
c

Parkinsons, Alzheimer's, heart disease, kidney disease, liver
disease..... For
the Adults!

It's a simple world you live in, naming one simple cause for a broad
range of diseases. Why don't you just heal them all and become rich
and famous? What's holding you?

Enjoy your flu vaccine and have a nice piece of Swordfish while you're
at it!

I'll definitively get my flu shot as every year. Or should I be scared
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Kevysmom wrote:
Incorrect. There has been a massive broadening of the diagnostic
criteria, recognition that Autism is a spectrum disorder, and
significant diagnostic re-assignment.


So the CDC reports that 1 out of 6 children in the USA now has some
form of developmental disorder is
bogus? You dont think that having 1 out of 6 children in your country
is a crisis? An epidemic?

Donna, do try to read for comprehension. (Comprehension means
understanding what you read).

I was specifically referring to the so-called Autism epidemic. It does
not exist.

The "increase" is an illusion. There is no change in the number of
people who have problems. They used to be called "retarded" etc. Now
they are correctly diagnosed as autistic.

Furthermore, there are those who had previously undiagnosed learning
problems. Now, with greater awareness and aggressive identification of
why children are not learning, there is an illusory increase.

I know you did not understand that. Please have a first grader explain
it to you.




On Nov 1, 11:26 pm, Mark Probert wrote:
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Yuri Kuchinsky" wrote:
Greetings, all,
Everywhere in the US media, the current prevalence of autism is typically
cited at 1 in 150, or thereabouts. Now, of course this is bad enough,
considering that this disease was almost unknown a generation ago...
Actually it WAS unknown a generation ago. There were no diagnostic
criteria.
There's been a massive increase in autism in the last 30 years. And now,
according to Gallup and Yazbak, the prevalence of autism in the US is 1 in
67!
Incorrect. There has been a massive broadening of the diagnostic
criteria, recognition that Autism is a spectrum disorder, and
significant diagnostic re-assignment.





"When 1 in 150 is really 1 in 67"
By Raymond W. Gallup & F. Edward Yazbak, MD, FAAP
http://www.vaproject.org/yazbak/1-in...7-20071005.htm
This is a terrible tragedy.
So what is the cause of autism? How come the official medicine is clueless?
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky --http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find
the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and
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