supplementing with formula - does anyone here?

"Ruth Baltopoulos" wrote in message
news:q4%ib.768075$YN5.744192@sccrnsc01...
: Would you encourage the trolling and baiting behavior Dawn
has engaged in if
: it was your own daughter or would you try to put a stop to
it?

I do not interpret Dawn's behavior as trolling and baiting.

Others (besides myself) disagree with tour assessment.


: I note you don't deny Dawn has done this but only fault my
reaction.

For the record, I deny that Dawn is stalking or trolling.

Prevarication in public.

If you wish to post to NGs in your chosen style, then you
may get baited, because IMO you are asking to be knocked
down a peg or two.

: If you claim Dawn has not trolled or baited my posts, I
will post an
: exhaustive list for your benefit.

I do *not* need for you to do me any favors. I have google
and I know how to use it. I have been involved in many of
the same threads as you and Dawn have. Know what? I have
always thought that Dawn posted well and thoughtfully. I
feel that she has a lot of experience and insight to offer.
You, on the other hand, from your first post on the group,
showed your true colors. If you spent less time acting like
a suave know-it-all, and sat back and learned before
offering your opinion, folks might want to listen. Wake up.
It's never too late

You take it that way for reasons related to your own situation. These
comments say more about you and your expertise level than about me and mine.

And really, act your age. This constant LEAVE ME ALONE
bull**** is so lame. Don't read certain people's posts or
control yourself or something.........

I'll provide the honest answer for you... you would NOT tolerate and even
DEFEND such behavior in your child yet will defend it in other adults.
Hypocrisy at its finest.

You are the only one who defends Dawn in these skirmishes. And you aren't
helping matters by by CONSTANTLY sticking your damn nose into it. If you
were concerned with being part of the solution instead of part of the
problem, then you wouldn't post this crap.

Don't forget comments made by others to you and your subsequent admission
("You're a better woman than I"...) that you have not acquitted yourself
admirably in the Dawn wars. Did you learn anything? Did you actually mean
that or was it another lie?

sharon

"lizzard woman" wrote:

: Ruth wrote:

: Others (besides myself) disagree with tour assessment.

I am not sure what tour assessment is. However, you asked
my honest opinion and I gave it to you. Now you shall give
disect it, no?
:
:
: : I note you don't deny Dawn has done this but only
fault my
: : reaction.

: For the record, I deny that Dawn is stalking or
trolling.

: Prevarication in public.

Is that what you do?

I have no clue what you are out to prove, but others
disagreeing with you does not a liar make

: I do *not* need for you to do me any favors. I have
google
: and I know how to use it. I have been involved in many
of
: the same threads as you and Dawn have. Know what? I
have
: always thought that Dawn posted well and thoughtfully.
I
: feel that she has a lot of experience and insight to
offer.
: You, on the other hand, from your first post on the
group,
: showed your true colors. If you spent less time acting
like
: a suave know-it-all, and sat back and learned before
: offering your opinion, folks might want to listen. Wake
up.
: It's never too late

: You take it that way for reasons related to your own
situation. These
: comments say more about you and your expertise level than
about me and mine.

As meaningful as the babbling of a brook

: I'll provide the honest answer for you... you would NOT
tolerate and even
: DEFEND such behavior in your child yet will defend it in
other adults.
: Hypocrisy at its finest.

Get off your high horse. Telling you to try to obide by the
rules of netiquette does not make me a hypocrite. Have some
self control. Learn to ignore. Try not to react.

: You are the only one who defends Dawn in these skirmishes.
And you aren't
: helping matters by by CONSTANTLY sticking your damn nose
into it. If you
: were concerned with being part of the solution instead of
part of the
: problem, then you wouldn't post this crap.

Excuse me? Have you mistaken usenet for your own private
email account? The solution is for you to grab yourself up
by your bootstraps and act like a big girl. If you want to
keep posting your grammar school spats on a public forum,
then get used to a little static.

: Don't forget comments made by others to you and your
subsequent admission
: ("You're a better woman than I"...) that you have not
acquitted yourself
: admirably in the Dawn wars. Did you learn anything? Did
you actually mean
: that or was it another lie?

You alienated one of the last people that was willing to
give you the benefit of the doubt, or haven't you noticed?
And the last few who still listen calmly to your ravings are
most definitely better women than I sarcasm, huh? I no
longer have any patience for you hogwash.

Ruth B

"iphigenia" wrote in message

Have to disagree with you on that. There's a line that has
to be drawn
between "parental choice" and "protecting children." If a
parent decides not
to use car seats, is that just their choice? There are all
sorts of
behaviors that parents decide to engage in that are
deserving of vociferous
disagreement. Why do you think agencies like DSS and CPS
*exist*?

Are you comparing giving solids early or supplementing with
formula, or fully feeding with formula even as comparable to
not using infant car seats and as 'unsafe' parenting to the
point that children need protecting from agencies like CYPS?
CYPS (if it's anything like the New Zealand version) is an
agency that protects children from abuse and neglect, it's a
huge leap to suggest giving solids at 4 months is abuse
don't you think.
There are laws to say children must be in car restraints, to
not use them is breaking a law. There are no laws saying
giving solids at 4 months is illegal, for obvious reasons.
Parents make all sorts of decisions about parenting that
others may think dangerous or harmful, homebirthing,
elective c/sections, c*ir*'ing, vaccinating, not
vaccinating, restricted diets, parenting styles and so on
and so forth. But these are our choices and rights as
parents, most of us make them with good reason and
consideration, whether others agree with them or not. They
are quite different however from breaking a law, or abusing
your child, or neglecting your child. I hardly think you can
compare the two.


--
Andrea

If I can't be a good example, then I'll just have to be a
horrible warning.

"All4meUC" wrote in message

What is the name of this other group and how can I get
there? Thanks.
~Tracy

alt.mothers
We serve Tim Tams and give away hugs on a daily basis but
apparently no information so feel free to leave your brain
at home.


--
Andrea

If I can't be a good example, then I'll just have to be a
horrible warning.

"iphigenia" wrote in message

I left off posting in *your* preferred group because it
was too touchy-feely
and noninformative...so apparently we both are looking for
different things.

What's the matter didn't we give you enough hugs?

{{{{{{iphigenia}}}}}

My spell check wanted to change that to
amphigenic...whatever that is


--
Andrea

If I can't be a good example, then I'll just have to be a
horrible warning.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:22:26 GMT, "Ruth Baltopoulos"
wrote:

Was the insult in the subject line completely necessary?

"lizzard woman" wrote in message news:d7Tib.93927$6C4.70966@pd7tw1no...
".

LEAVE ME ALONE.

LEAVE ME ALONE.

LEAVE ME ALONE.

How can you respond to someone's post and then scream at them
to leave you alone when they respond to your response?

I don't know a thing about your quarrel with Dawn in the
other group you read, but in here, it looked like Dawn was
having a conversation with other people, and you jumped
in to say what a jerk you think she is. In this context,
yelling at her to leave you alone is completely unreasonable.

Beth

"Elizabeth Reid" wrote in message
om...

I don't know a thing about your quarrel with Dawn in the
other group you read, but in here, it looked like Dawn was
having a conversation with other people, and you jumped
in to say what a jerk you think she is. In this context,
yelling at her to leave you alone is completely unreasonable.

I can see how it appears that way. I can post IDENTICAL situations where
Dawn has "jumped in" to conversations I was having with other people just to
say what a jerk she thought I was.

On the thought she somehow doesn't realize she is doing this, I did the
same. I don't know how to get thru to her that she needs to stop using
attacks on me to raise her self-esteem.

I confess to being at my wit's end with her trolling and baiting which has
now gone on for several months now.

And Ruth's constant toadie interference is only making matters worse. I
wonder what Dawn is paying her?

Thanks for your post.

--
sharon, momma to savannah and willow (11/11/94)

"Ruth Baltopoulos" wrote in message
news:aJ_ib.130308$%h1.131697@sccrnsc02...

This would be better taken to email, please. The subject line was just rude.
Flame wars do nothing but lose credibility for all involved.
--
JennP.

mom to Matthew 10/11/00
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Taniwha grrrl wrote:

Are you comparing giving solids early or supplementing with
formula, or fully feeding with formula even as comparable to
not using infant car seats and as 'unsafe' parenting to the
point that children need protecting from agencies like CYPS?

Nope. I'm not comparing anything : ) I'm just saying that I disagree with
the principle of "let everyone make all their own decisions regardless of
what they are" when other people's lives - and particularly childrens' - are
at stake. I brought up the fact that CPS services exist because parents can
and do f*** up their kids' lives - I'm not saying that feeding solids early
or giving formula are *examples* of this, though.

I just think that the "hey, man, do whatever you want to your kids, it's
cool, and I respect whatever decisions you make" concept can be taken too
far.

--
iphigenia
www.tristyn.net
"i have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
i do not think that they will sing to me."