Rant: Over indulgent parents strike again

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:28:57 -0800, Scott in Aztlán
wrote:

Interestingly, the machines breakdown quite a bit.

Irrelevant. The customers could just as easily use the regular scanning stations
if the store managers would allow them.

I can self-check at the library also, but I don't call librarians
unskilled labor.

Absolutely not. Librarians typically have MLS degrees or better. Of course, they
also do things like reference work, cataloging, classification, and other
decidedly non-menial tasks. About the most mentally challenging thing a grocery
store cashier does is count out her drawer at the end of her shift. When I was
in middle school, I used to cashier for $3.35/hour.

Creative job of clipping. I suspect adult checkers do much more than
just cashiering too.


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Dorothy

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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:24:44 -0500, Jon Walters
wrote:

I am the original poster. I was responding to this post:

The post you responded to did not appear in misc.kids where I am
reading from the rant that most MKers are responding to
was the following part of the post I saw as the OP. It was signed
Jon. So I assume it was your post. And you are trolling MK.

***********
(begin OP include)

First of all -- the kids of this generation are spoiled
and "do no wrong" in the eyes of their parents. They are
right and you are wrong .... especially when a 13 year old
wanted $40 to shovel the snow from my sidewalk recently. I
told the kid I'll give him $10 and he walked away. Good. I'll
wait until it melts before I pay that much.

(end OP include)

*************


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On 10 Jan 2004 06:47:16 -0800, (Cathy Weeks)
wrote:

STILL want to know HOW we parents are overindulgent
with regard to this kid. What do you want us to do?
Force him to take the job?

Cathy Weeks
Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01

Exactly. The part of the post most parents responded to
show not one bit of overindulgence. Nor any thinking that
kids can't do anything wrong. We simply don't see that
this teen did anything wrong in this particular instance by
refusing a price that he thought was too low.


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Dorothy

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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:04:28 GMT, (Brent P)
wrote:

In article , Nan wrote:

Both will get suspended. And no it's not fair.

Is it really that way now? When my ds was in elementary school, the
ZT policy was for those getting *into* a fight, even in self-defense.
However, if a child is hit or being beaten on that doesn't fight back
wasn't victimized again by the school by being suspended.

That's how it was when I was in junior high, and that was back in the
80s. I had a kid punch me and would have been suspended if my mother
hadn't gotten involved. What did I do? I stood there and looked at
him with an 'is that-all-you-got' expression.

BTW what's a ds?

dear son or darling son




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Dorothy

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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:40:52 GMT, "Stephen!" wrote:

Nan wrote in
:

Interesting how Jon's dropped out of this thread... no answers on how
deep the snow was, how long his walk is, and how he ended up getting
it done.



Interesting how this "do it for the children" bull**** keeps showing up
on rec.motorcycles....

Your trolls, your problem.

I never delete x-posts to other groups because I am never sure
where the poster is posting from, but if you don't want to hear
parents opinions on a matter, then don't x-post to parenting groups.

mk gets plenty of trolls that say *don't have children* or *get your
kids away from us*





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Stephen! wrote:
"Circe" wrote in
news:GqILb.103804$pY.103656@fed1read04:
As someone who got as far as starting her thesis, let me point out
that there is a surfeit of PhDs who can't get a job in their own
fields (because there are relatively few available in a lot of
fields) and who therefore do all sorts of other things for a living.
Some of them might do manual labor, for all I know. My uncle, PhD in
Medeival Studies, sells cars. Not physical labor, but not exactly a
job requiring an advanced degree, either...

Which comes right around to my original point... Waste your time and
money getting all those "advanced" degrees to end up cleaning the ****
stains out of someone else's toilet... Good game plan there,
fer-sher...

I don't think that's anyone's "game plan". Life, however, is what happens
when we're making other plans.

I was working on a PhD in Classics. I have a Master's in the subject. I now
work as an instructional designer for a software company. I very much enjoy
my job, which is much like what I thought I would do with my PhD (write and
teach), except that the subject matter is completely different. Point being
that I didn't end up doing what I thought I would (being a college
professor), but I still ended up doing something I enjoy. My education was
hardly a waste.
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Stephen! wrote:
"Circe" wrote in
news:gvILb.103807$pY.86860@fed1read04:

Half the time, the self-serve lanes are not
operational and half the time, when they are, something rings up
incorrectly and you must get someone to fix it.

So they only work properly one out of four times? Hell, I must have
some real good luck. Maybe I should start buying lottery tickets
that way.

Maybe. All I can say is that I have had very little success with them. They
are generally not turned on at all when I go into the store, and the one
time I tried to use them, I had a problem with the scanner and so did
another person who was using another machine. I pretty well gave up on them
as a bigger waste of my time than standing in line to wait for a human
checker.
--
Be well, Barbara
(Julian [6], Aurora [4], and Vernon's [22 mos.] mom)

This week's special at the English Language Butcher Shop:
"Call anywhere, any time...virtually from any phone" -- prepaid phone card
dispenser

Daddy: You're up with the chickens this morning.
Aurora: No, I'm up with my dolls!

All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful.
Needless to say, they are not those of my Internet Service Provider, its
other subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a
fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman

In article ,
Scott in Aztl?n wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:05:25 GMT, "P. Tierney"
wrote:

I agree. But the poster seemed to think that the kid
should've accepted his price without question, and that's
what I disagree with.

I don't understand how you and toto got that impression. To refresh our
memories, here's the quote again:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:05:03 -0500, Jon Walters wrote:

First of all -- the kids of this generation are spoiled
and "do no wrong" in the eyes of their parents. They are
right and you are wrong .... especially when a 13 year old
wanted $40 to shovel the snow from my sidewalk recently. I
told the kid I'll give him $10 and he walked away. Good. I'll
wait until it melts before I pay that much.

To my mind, Jon is saying he felt the kid's asking price was too high, he
made
a counteroffer, and they could not come to terms so the kid left. Where's the
"bitching?" Where's the "demand" that the kid shovel his walk, or that the
kid
accept his price? Frankly, I don't see any of this stuff.


I see him calling the kids spoiled and his parents overindulgent because
he walked away. It may not be a demand, but it is certainly critical of
the boy's decision.

meh
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

In article ,
DTJ wrote:

On 8 Jan 2004 07:21:05 -0800, (Cathy Weeks)
wrote:

Ah, so you think just because he's 13, he ought to do it for less than
an amount that he considers worth his time? He doesn't owe you
service. The only thing I can think of is that he might not have been
polite, and that's the only thing that he might have done wrong. But,
I've seen people like you grump over the polite ones, too.

Must be that time of the month.

Shoveling snow is hard work, and it's no fun. And if you contract
with an agency that does stuff like that, they charge $75. So you
should either pay up or shut up and do it yourself.

Kid came to his door, bothered him, trying to extort money. Wanted to
charge $80 bucks an hour to shovel ****ing snow.

Are you really so dense you can't see the problem there?

And you know it was a half an hours work because . . . .?

The sidewalk in front of grandma's house used to take two of us about
two hours to shovel (4 hours total) -- unless it was a really heavy
snowfall, in which case it took longer. Of course, she had a large
corner lot, and a long walkway up to her front door.

And where on earth do you get "extort" out of offering to do a job? I
saw nothing indicating that the child got so much as pushy, never mind
demanding.

meh
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

Some teens are nice enough to shovel snow for free for those old
fellows they like...usually because they (the old fellows) are nice
people. I've never known ANY teen (or anyone else of any age) to
shovel snow for someone they disliked, or thought was a jerk. You
might take a good look at yourself, and see which category you fall
into.

It's a good thing then that:

1. I ain't old
2. It don't snow here

Thnk I'll go for a ride today and find some teens toward whom I can be
an asshole.
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2003 FJR1300 "E²"

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