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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
"Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard.
This was the result: : http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 You say, in your subject title, that this is "NOT a free country" - It (Both Canada and the USA) most certainly is - You, for example, have every right to swing your fist - that right, however, stops at the tip of my nose. In other words, you are free to do as you wish until you pose a danger, by action or witholding of action, to others. From that article: "He had a good prognosis when first diagnosed, with chances of recovery put at 85 percent to 90 percent, according to a police report. But his chances have dropped to 10 percent since being deprived of medication, authorities said." .... "In March, Dr. Alison Friedmann, the child's oncologist at Massachusetts General Hospital, filed a report of suspected neglect with the Department of Social Services after discovering Fraser's cancer had returned, something that should not have happened if he was on his medications." In other words, by witholding chemotherapy, the "mother" (and I use that term with disdain in this case) dropped her own son's chances of survival from 85% to practically nil. That is the choice one makes when having children: You have _responsibilities_ because they are not old enough to carry out those responsibilities themselves. "NOT a free country" ? You actually believe that the mother had the _RIGHT_ to deny her son a (good) chance to live ? You disgust me. -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. |
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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
"Jan Drew" wrote in message ... http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...5x120 0242430 Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court. Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100 times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively involved in this child's care." |
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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
"Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard.
This was the result: : "Jan Drew" wrote in message ... http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...nying-son-chem o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court. Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100 times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively involved in this child's care." A hundred times ? Big deal. Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean skipping appointments designed to keep him alive. One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities - She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, but didn't fill in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die. -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. |
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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
"Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 97.131... "Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard. Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada? This was the result: : "Jan Drew" wrote in message ... http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...nying-son-chem o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS. http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...5x120 0242430 Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court. Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100 times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively involved in this child's care." A hundred times ? Big deal. Were you there? Are you a mother? Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know? Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc? Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean skipping appointments designed to keep him alive. *extensively* One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities - She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, *a ton* ? but didn't fill in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die. *In your opinion*. She did not choose any such thing. Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters. Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*. Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice? -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? No, and spam is not allowed. |
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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
"Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard.
This was the result: : "Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 97.131... "Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard. Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada? This was the result: : "Jan Drew" wrote in message ... http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...denying-son-ch em o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS. http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court. Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100 times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively involved in this child's care." A hundred times ? Big deal. Were you there? Are you a mother? Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know? Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc? http://www.armyofangels.org Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean skipping appointments designed to keep him alive. *extensively* One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities - She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, *a ton* ? but didn't fill in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die. *In your opinion*. She did not choose any such thing. Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters. Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*. Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice? -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? No, and spam is not allowed. -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. |
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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
"Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 97.131... "Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the result: : "Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 97.131... "Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard. Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada? This was the result: : "Jan Drew" wrote in message ... http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...denying-son-ch em o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS. http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 And more dishohesty, or do you not know how to do a hyperlink? http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...5x120 0242430 Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court. Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100 times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively involved in this child's care." A hundred times ? Big deal. Were you there? Are you a mother? Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know? Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc? http://www.armyofangels.org Oh, dear God, so sorry to read this, Marc. God Bless you, your wife and children. Having said that, there is no reason to write what you wrote about the smart remark. Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean skipping appointments designed to keep him alive. *extensively* One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities - She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, *a ton* ? but didn't fill in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die. *In your opinion*. She did not choose any such thing. Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters. Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*. Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice? -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? No, and spam is not allowed. -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? No, deleted spam. Not allowed on Google health newsgroups. |
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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
"Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard.
This was the result: : "Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 97.131... "Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the result: : "Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 97.131... "Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard. Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada? This was the result: : "Jan Drew" wrote in message ... http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...f-denying-son- ch em o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS. What, pray tell, is an "IPS" ? If you meant "ISP", I am curious as to where on Earth you think I am the owner of one. Dishonesty ? If I knew where you lived, I'd consider sending you a copy of Webster's dictionary. http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...enying-son-che mo /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 And more dishohesty, or do you not know how to do a hyperlink? http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 You may want to refresh your post reading skills - it was a quote from someone else, not me typing in the URL. Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court. Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100 times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively involved in this child's care." A hundred times ? Big deal. Were you there? Are you a mother? Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know? Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc? http://www.armyofangels.org Oh, dear God, so sorry to read this, Marc. God Bless you, your wife and children. Having said that, there is no reason to write what you wrote about the smart remark. What makes you think it was a "smart remark" ? Going to the hospital over 100 times for your child's treatment ? Like I said: Big Deal. I passed that mark well before my son's first birthday, just to keep him alive. Hell, I've passed that mark for my daughter, as well, as she's a type I diabetic. 100 times ? Whoopdy freaking do. Do you think I'd get a "get out of jail free" card if I stopped buying my daughter insulin, just because I've had a hard life, or because she doesn't like the four needles a day or the five or six finger pokes a day ? Do you think that the next time she goes into a hypoglycemic coma or ketoacidosis that no one will put the blame on me for not calling the ambulance because I thought I'd "end her pain". What about my son, who cannot walk, who cannot talk and who will never, EVER be on his own in his entire life - You think it would be okay to simply sit back and let him seize to death because "it's been tough for me" ? Maybe I should start leaving all the doors to the house unbarred so he can get out and play in traffic - after all, in the village in which I live, no one locks their doors - Why should my son have to inconvenience me so ? I hope and trust this woman will be charged with wilful neglect, child endangerment and, God fobid, if the child dies, negligence causing death, of not outright homicide. Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean skipping appointments designed to keep him alive. *extensively* One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities - She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, *a ton* ? but didn't fill in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die. *In your opinion*. She did not choose any such thing. Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters. Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*. Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice? Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? No, and spam is not allowed. Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? No, deleted spam. Not allowed on Google health newsgroups. You need to educate yourself on some Internet basics. This is not a "google health group", this is Usenet, for which Google is but a web-based interface. I, for example, am reading this from the *Usenet* newsgroup alt.support.cancer. Secondly, a .sig is not spam. I would encourage you to google for "usenet" and ".sig" and stop making yourself look so silly. -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. |
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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
HI Marc
arguing with Jan Drew is sorta like arguing with a no brain person she loves to criticize...usuallly about things she knows very little about you sound like a great Dad...hope your kids are doing OK "Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 97.131... "Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the result: : "Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 97.131... "Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the result: : "Marc Bissonnette" wrote in message . 97.131... "Jan Drew" fell face-first on the keyboard. Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada? This was the result: : "Jan Drew" wrote in message ... http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...f-denying-son- ch em o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS. What, pray tell, is an "IPS" ? If you meant "ISP", I am curious as to where on Earth you think I am the owner of one. Dishonesty ? If I knew where you lived, I'd consider sending you a copy of Webster's dictionary. http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...enying-son-che mo /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 And more dishohesty, or do you not know how to do a hyperlink? http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430 You may want to refresh your post reading skills - it was a quote from someone else, not me typing in the URL. Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court. Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100 times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively involved in this child's care." A hundred times ? Big deal. Were you there? Are you a mother? Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know? Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc? http://www.armyofangels.org Oh, dear God, so sorry to read this, Marc. God Bless you, your wife and children. Having said that, there is no reason to write what you wrote about the smart remark. What makes you think it was a "smart remark" ? Going to the hospital over 100 times for your child's treatment ? Like I said: Big Deal. I passed that mark well before my son's first birthday, just to keep him alive. Hell, I've passed that mark for my daughter, as well, as she's a type I diabetic. 100 times ? Whoopdy freaking do. Do you think I'd get a "get out of jail free" card if I stopped buying my daughter insulin, just because I've had a hard life, or because she doesn't like the four needles a day or the five or six finger pokes a day ? Do you think that the next time she goes into a hypoglycemic coma or ketoacidosis that no one will put the blame on me for not calling the ambulance because I thought I'd "end her pain". What about my son, who cannot walk, who cannot talk and who will never, EVER be on his own in his entire life - You think it would be okay to simply sit back and let him seize to death because "it's been tough for me" ? Maybe I should start leaving all the doors to the house unbarred so he can get out and play in traffic - after all, in the village in which I live, no one locks their doors - Why should my son have to inconvenience me so ? I hope and trust this woman will be charged with wilful neglect, child endangerment and, God fobid, if the child dies, negligence causing death, of not outright homicide. Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean skipping appointments designed to keep him alive. *extensively* One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities - She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, *a ton* ? but didn't fill in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die. *In your opinion*. She did not choose any such thing. Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters. Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*. Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice? Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? No, and spam is not allowed. Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? No, deleted spam. Not allowed on Google health newsgroups. You need to educate yourself on some Internet basics. This is not a "google health group", this is Usenet, for which Google is but a web-based interface. I, for example, am reading this from the *Usenet* newsgroup alt.support.cancer. Secondly, a .sig is not spam. I would encourage you to google for "usenet" and ".sig" and stop making yourself look so silly. -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. |
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Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country
fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
result: : HI Marc arguing with Jan Drew is sorta like arguing with a no brain person she loves to criticize...usuallly about things she knows very little about you sound like a great Dad...hope your kids are doing OK Thanks, Hawk; I was going to let it go, but you know, people who make arguments for letting parents off who abuse or outright kill their kids just sickens me. We all (parents, that is) made a choice when we chose to become parents - Specifically, we chose to make sacrifices until and if our children become able and cabable of looking out for their own best interests. That means if you're into booze and dope, not drinking and drugging around the kids (or if you're going to be responsible for them) - If you're down to your last $20 and it's a choice of diapers and formula or sirloin steaks, you choose the diapers and formula. That list goes on and on - You don't need me to reiterate the painfully obvious One thing that I don't think many think of, though (because most of us don't *have* to think about it) - is the one other big obligation and responsibility: If we, the parents, know that we *cannot* take care of our kids - be it through inability, lack of will or circumstances beyond our control, then it behooves us, for our children, to transfer their care to those that can. What this also means is that our elected representatives - i.e. those that make the laws - recognize this, as well - If we're incapable or unwilling to make that decision, then the government will step in and make it for us. I.e.: If I am starving my kids to death because I don't have any money, if they are suffering because I am not getting them medication or they are being mistreated because I'm a moron, they'll take them away from me to ensure that _THEY_ have the best chance at life. I'm not looking for brownie points or pats on the back, but I've ***BEEN*** in that situation the mother in this story was in. I was told *twice* that my son was not going to live until the end of the week. I spent most of the first two years of his life up with him at night to make sure he didn't choke on his own vomit because he threw up *everything* that went into him - even sips of water and certainly formula and breastmilk. If you haven't been through it, it's hard to explain just how tired, nay, *exhausted* you become when the little guy you love the most has been screaming - not crying, not moaning, but *screaming* for 36 hours *straight*. I couldn't begin to tell you the *tens of thousands* (Well, maybe thousands and thousands - I honestly don't keep track anymore) of dollars in food alone that's either been vomited up or simply crumbled up and thrown across the floor. That happens to this day, simply because my little guy is the way that he is - When he cries, it's a guessing game as to whether he's hungry, thirsty, wet bum, in pain, bored - whatever - He doesn't talk. He doesn't even have consistant signals or signs for what it is he wants. Anyway - my point being: My son has gone through a *lot* in his ten short years of life. Certainly a helluva lot more than I've gone through with cancer and, truth be told, he's the main reason I don't feel sorry for myself: I just have to look at him to realize what a fighter *really* is. He's a happy, joyful little guy that brings *incredible* happiness to those around him today - Imagine if I'd given up like this "mother" did so many years ago ? From a completely selfish point of view, where would I be if Liam weren't around to keep me straight and level ? Coming out of surgery in December with a big honkin' hole through my skull to my brain, who's to say the thought of "Well, we gave up on Liam, because it was easier that way, maybe I should just do the same..." Anyway: I've learned a lot about cancer in the last six months. With a 30% recurrence chance, along with the fact that when they opened me up, they weren't even *looking* for cancer, dealing with the end game and the therapies to avoid or prolong it is certainly something I've also been doing a lot of learning about. A few months of pain or discomfort, if it means survival - which in this boy's case certainly *was* the case - is well worth it for a lifetime ahead. -- Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site across Canada. |
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