Do you support educational vouchers in schools?

Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so parents can
send their kids to private schools, or to use that money to fix up the
public schools?

Bob Coleslaw

"Bob Coleslaw" wrote in
:

Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so
parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use
that money to fix up the public schools?

vouchers are a really bad idea. i do NOT want my tax dollars
used to fund any type of private school, especially not any
flavor of parochial school.
i have no issues with private schools, my kid attends one,
but i want my taxes to fix the public schools for the kids who
can't go to private school for whatever reason.
vouchers may help the elite, but they'll hurt the kids who
need better schools the most.
lee

In article ,
enigma wrote:
"Bob Coleslaw" wrote in
:

Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so
parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use
that money to fix up the public schools?

vouchers are a really bad idea. i do NOT want my tax dollars
used to fund any type of private school, especially not any
flavor of parochial school.
i have no issues with private schools, my kid attends one,
but i want my taxes to fix the public schools for the kids who
can't go to private school for whatever reason.
vouchers may help the elite, but they'll hurt the kids who
need better schools the most.
lee

At this time, NO student who is capable of getting a good
degree in mathematics or science or engineering or
agriculture or economics is getting even a fair high school
education corresponding to his abilities.

The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those
who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers".
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This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those
who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers".

That's an issue that needs to be addressed to the local school board who has
control over the students.

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In article ,
enigma wrote:
"Bob Coleslaw" wrote in
:

Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so
parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use
that money to fix up the public schools?

vouchers are a really bad idea. i do NOT want my tax dollars
used to fund any type of private school, especially not any
flavor of parochial school.
i have no issues with private schools, my kid attends one,
but i want my taxes to fix the public schools for the kids who
can't go to private school for whatever reason.
vouchers may help the elite, but they'll hurt the kids who
need better schools the most.
lee

At this time, NO student who is capable of getting a good
degree in mathematics or science or engineering or
agriculture or economics is getting even a fair high school
education corresponding to his abilities.

The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those
who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers".
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

In article , Rumpty wrote:
The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those
who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers".

That's an issue that needs to be addressed to the local school board who has
control over the students.

The local school board has much less control than most
seem to think. Its members are "extra time", which means
that they are full-time otherwise, and they have all their
meetings taken up with the current administration of the
schools. Matters such as parking, allocation of the budget,
and others like that are all they can manage.

In addition, few of the school administrators in the country
are at all sympathetic to teaching subject matter instead of
their theories of socializing, and not too many of the teachers
understand their subjects.

..................
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

On 31 Mar 2005 13:44:32 -0500, (Herman
Rubin) wrote:

In article , Rumpty wrote:
The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those
who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers".

That's an issue that needs to be addressed to the local school board who has
control over the students.

The local school board has much less control than most
seem to think. Its members are "extra time", which means
that they are full-time otherwise, and they have all their
meetings taken up with the current administration of the
schools. Matters such as parking, allocation of the budget,
and others like that are all they can manage.

In general the school board hires the principals and administrators
where I come from. Thus they have plenty of control if they want it.

In addition, few of the school administrators in the country
are at all sympathetic to teaching subject matter instead of
their theories of socializing, and not too many of the teachers
understand their subjects.

..................

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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In article , Herman Rubin says...

In article ,
enigma wrote:
"Bob Coleslaw" wrote in
:

Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so
parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use
that money to fix up the public schools?

vouchers are a really bad idea. i do NOT want my tax dollars
used to fund any type of private school, especially not any
flavor of parochial school.
i have no issues with private schools, my kid attends one,
but i want my taxes to fix the public schools for the kids who
can't go to private school for whatever reason.
vouchers may help the elite, but they'll hurt the kids who
need better schools the most.
lee

At this time, NO student who is capable of getting a good
degree in mathematics or science or engineering or
agriculture or economics is getting even a fair high school
education corresponding to his abilities.

The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those
who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers".

And vouchers will do - what - - exactly - to fix this?

Banty

In article ,
Banty wrote:
In article , Herman Rubin says...

In article ,
enigma wrote:
"Bob Coleslaw" wrote in
:

Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so
parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use
that money to fix up the public schools?

vouchers are a really bad idea. i do NOT want my tax dollars
used to fund any type of private school, especially not any
flavor of parochial school.
i have no issues with private schools, my kid attends one,
but i want my taxes to fix the public schools for the kids who
can't go to private school for whatever reason.
vouchers may help the elite, but they'll hurt the kids who
need better schools the most.
lee

At this time, NO student who is capable of getting a good
degree in mathematics or science or engineering or
agriculture or economics is getting even a fair high school
education corresponding to his abilities.

The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those
who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers".

And vouchers will do - what - - exactly - to fix this?

Vouchers will enable the establishment of academic
private educational opportunities, which are extremely
rare at this time. Vouchers will not remove the money
from the public schools for those who continue, and
most will continue.

The public schools are not REQUIRED to place students
by age, or to have them in the same grade in every
subject. But they are not really prepared for any
alternative, both academically and sociologically.
Charter schools, in general, are restricted to the
"grade" system, and in fact even the size of desks
and chairs is state regulated for them.

I am sure that there will be a large need for students
to attend classes electronically; I would not be
surprised if this is where we will have to go for
most academic subjects. One size, or even a few
sizes, do not fit all.


--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

"Herman Rubin" wrote in message
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In article ,
Banty wrote:
In article , Herman Rubin says...

In article ,
enigma wrote:
"Bob Coleslaw" wrote in
:

Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so
parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use
that money to fix up the public schools?

vouchers are a really bad idea. i do NOT want my tax dollars
used to fund any type of private school, especially not any
flavor of parochial school.
i have no issues with private schools, my kid attends one,
but i want my taxes to fix the public schools for the kids who
can't go to private school for whatever reason.
vouchers may help the elite, but they'll hurt the kids who
need better schools the most.
lee

At this time, NO student who is capable of getting a good
degree in mathematics or science or engineering or
agriculture or economics is getting even a fair high school
education corresponding to his abilities.

The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those
who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers".

And vouchers will do - what - - exactly - to fix this?

Vouchers will enable the establishment of academic
private educational opportunities, which are extremely
rare at this time.

The nationally recognized academic private school that
I attended was about as traditional as they come. And they
staff scoffed at certain local public school reforms, like
ability-grouped K-4 classes, with age not taken into
consideration.

The public schools are not REQUIRED to place students
by age, or to have them in the same grade in every
subject. But they are not really prepared for any
alternative, both academically and sociologically.

Private schools aren't either.


P. Tierney

In article , Herman Rubin says...

In article ,
Banty wrote:
In article , Herman Rubin says...

In article ,
enigma wrote:
"Bob Coleslaw" wrote in
:

Is it better for the government to give out vouchers so
parents can send their kids to private schools, or to use
that money to fix up the public schools?

vouchers are a really bad idea. i do NOT want my tax dollars
used to fund any type of private school, especially not any
flavor of parochial school.
i have no issues with private schools, my kid attends one,
but i want my taxes to fix the public schools for the kids who
can't go to private school for whatever reason.
vouchers may help the elite, but they'll hurt the kids who
need better schools the most.
lee

At this time, NO student who is capable of getting a good
degree in mathematics or science or engineering or
agriculture or economics is getting even a fair high school
education corresponding to his abilities.

The ones who need the better schools need to be removed from
the public schools and taught sound subject matter by those
who understand this, and not warehoused with their "peers".

And vouchers will do - what - - exactly - to fix this?

Vouchers will enable the establishment of academic
private educational opportunities, which are extremely
rare at this time. Vouchers will not remove the money
from the public schools for those who continue, and
most will continue.

Voucher money would come from exactly where, do you think??


The public schools are not REQUIRED to place students
by age, or to have them in the same grade in every
subject. But they are not really prepared for any
alternative, both academically and sociologically.
Charter schools, in general, are restricted to the
"grade" system, and in fact even the size of desks
and chairs is state regulated for them.

Neither are private schools.

You still haven't answered the questions. Or, yours is a 'field of dreams'
answer - have money available by voucher, and Your Wished For School Will Come.
You have neither established that private schools would do what you would like,
nor that public schools could not be reformed.


I am sure that there will be a large need for students
to attend classes electronically; I would not be
surprised if this is where we will have to go for
most academic subjects. One size, or even a few
sizes, do not fit all.


Solitary learning does not fit many students, either. Few students and families
would have the discipline and environment to pursue basic education in this
manner.

I haven't read much of your stuff, but from your recent posts here in misc.kids
it strikes me that your reasoning is that, because the public schools did not
maximize learning for a particularly mathematically gifted student, therefore
the public schools are useless. Which is ludicrous. There is nothing in public
school attendance that precludes independant study (I pursued independant study
on advanced topics in public high school) or pursuing knowledge in other venues.
It does not preclude the formation of private schools - there are many private
schools alongside the public school system. Furthermore, that the pubic schools
not fit the needs of the three-sigma most intelligent students perfectly, does
not mean they don't fulfill the societal function of creating an educated public
at large - the benefit that the public at large (NOT parents specifically)
obtain from their funding the public schools.

Banty