African-Americans, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Pentecostalists

Well, Bamboo, child abuse and neglect is an equal opportunity offense.
Every economic and social class, ethnicity, religion, has parents that
do it.

Which has been the grounds for law suits about the disproportionate
backgrounds of families suffering child removal.

It is well known and proveable that CPS agencies do NOT apply the
principles you tout above. They prey on poorer families and tend
to avoid families who can buy good lawyers. They use class prejudice.

And when you think historically it should become obvious that both
social and individual change is mostly effected by force and
authority, or extreme conditions of one kind or another, natural or
man made.
When did you become pro-spanking?

Coercion is not a good mechanism to effect social change.
Really? Tell that to the natives...r r r r
(apologies to my brothers and sisters of color...no offense intended)
Right. Just Condescending Patronage and tokenization.

Maize, you are a caution.
I thought she was more of a WARNING SIGN.
Can I be a stop light?

You spend a great deal of your time either abosultely dead wrong, or
declaring the obvious, or (and this is most humorous) pasting up proof
that CPS is always under scrutiny, while claiming it is some all
powerful unbridled monstrosity subject only to YOUR reformer attention
and insight.

Ya wanna tell that to my neighbor Mullally, who served 6 months
in Federal Prison for publicly exposing a large number of L.A.
Police who were really bad wife beaters, but the department had
covered it up? Aren't we supposed to reward this kind of
whistleblowing? He's a true hero, and the court lost a lot of respect.
He's a substitute teacher, and a bunch of schools declined his
contract after the prison, but one actually asked for him by name.
Like Lincoln said, you can't fool all the people all the time.
The hilarious part was the TV interview with the personnel
person, where she could only say that it had nothing whatsoever
to do with anything on the job or with kids. But something
is being held against him. And we brag about THIS system?

You have obviously never experienced heavy handed stonewalling
by a large agency. If you did, you would realize that despite
their stonewalling, sometimes they cannot keep it hush hush and
it busts out in the press. Sometimes, as in the Mullally case,
people decide that the system is SO WRONG that 6 months in prison
is worth it. (Sort of a Ghandi thing there I'd say.)

Fern posts those because bit by bit, chunk by chunk, the evil
armor of secrecy is falling away from CPS agencies.

CPS agencies play their rule book to their ends until somebody
realizes that they don't hold a monopoly on the rule book,
and that they are in violation of the very same rules.

Greg Hanson wrote:
Ya wanna tell that to my neighbor Mullally, who served 6 months
in Federal Prison for publicly exposing a large number of L.A.
Police who were really bad wife beaters, but the department had
covered it up?

He spent time in prison for that? Would you care to point us in the
direction of the statute, or even enlighten us as to the charge that led
to his imprisonment?

"Greg Hanson" wrote in message
om...
Well, Bamboo, child abuse and neglect is an equal opportunity offense.
Every economic and social class, ethnicity, religion, has parents that
do it.

Which has been the grounds for law suits about the disproportionate
backgrounds of families suffering child removal.

It is well known and proveable that CPS agencies do NOT apply the
principles you tout above.

Which principles did Kane tout?

All he said was CAN is an equal opportunity offense.

Sounds right to me.

They prey on poorer families and tend
to avoid families who can buy good lawyers.

"Tend to?"

There's a weasel phrase.

And I know some extremely wealthy families who have been targetted by CPS.

And the money didn't matter.

Some prevailed and some didn't.

The results hinged on the quality of their attnys.

They use class prejudice.

And when you think historically it should become obvious that both
social and individual change is mostly effected by force and
authority, or extreme conditions of one kind or another, natural or
man made.
When did you become pro-spanking?

Coercion is not a good mechanism to effect social change.
Really? Tell that to the natives...r r r r
(apologies to my brothers and sisters of color...no offense intended)
Right. Just Condescending Patronage and tokenization.

Maize, you are a caution.
I thought she was more of a WARNING SIGN.
Can I be a stop light?

You can be an ass plug, Greg.

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CPS agencies play their rule book to their ends until somebody
realizes that they don't hold a monopoly on the rule book,
and that they are in violation of the very same rules.

WOW!

You might've actually learned something, Greg.

Dan