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GM bonuses cut because of child support
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
.net... "T.J." wrote in message ... Melvin, Ive never been here before in my life. Furthermore im not a "him" im a "her". I think you have the wrong person dumbass. Well, Mel was right about one thing - you send people personal emails in attempts to intimidate them off-line. What?? I dont think ive ever sent anyone an email off line. If I did it was an accident because I hit reply instead of reply to group. My apologies if I did. Thanks for sending me the private email to explain you have a dick. I havent sent you any emails to explain I have a dick, I have no clue what the hell you are talking about. If you could please foward the email I sent that tells you I have a dick???? It's comforting to know a poster like you has a dick. Like I was really worried about your sexuality! Sorry but I dont think I ever sent anything to you saying im male or that I have a dick. Now how about explaining for all of us why you refer to your child's mother as "asswipe." Well considering I am my childs mother, I didnt. I have referred to my sons father as a deadbeat piece of **** and an asswipe. |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
"T.J." wrote in message ... Im not a dickhead. If I buy a car and get behind on my payments it gets taken away. How about my house, I get behind on my payments then no more house for me. As teh custodial parent if I dont pay for food my children starve, I dont get a break from anything and cant fall behind on paying bills or my children suffer. Grow up and be responsible.. I do know what its like to be down on my luck thank you very much. But i still supported my children ALONE with no help from anyone else and certaintly not from their deadbeat asswipe. They were MY FIRST priority. If I go without food in order for my children to have it then Ill do that. Dont feed me this crap about someone being down on their luck and not able to pay support for their children. Its calle d they are too selfish. If your husband cant support his children he sure the hell shouldnt support your dead ass. == Gawd...Deja Vu!! You don't happen to live near Yuma Arizona do you? Mel, Bob--Say it ain't so! == == |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
"T.J." wrote in message ... I fully read the post and was making a general comment about it. I think corporations should get involved and take action against people who cant support their children. Even those who were not behind will still get their money if they are current in support payments or no longer owe them. Big deal..get over it. == OK, so you didn't accidentally appear to be a moron. My mistake. == "gini52" wrote in message ... "T.J." wrote in message ... GOOD FOR GM!!!!! They should take deadbeat's bonuses away from them if they arent current on their child support!!!! == Typically people read a post before responding. It's a good strategy. Otherwise, a responder can accidentally appear to be a moron. == ==. |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
"T.J." wrote ............................ Well considering I am my childs mother, I didnt. I have referred to my sons father as a deadbeat piece of **** and an asswipe. == In you son's presence? == == |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
"T.J." wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... What would you say about a man earning $48,000 per year who pays $650 per month for one child, faithfully. He loses his job due to layoff, and can't find another in his field. So he takes a job for $30,000 and petitions for a modification in support. The judge says "No. Get a job at your previous rate." ** Not if he was laid off and couldnt find anything else, no I dont. However, im sure that many of these judges get sick and tired of all the men who come in and claim the have a lower paying job as an excuse for lowering their support. In my state they use an average of the last three years of earnings to determine the amount. Not what the highest paying job is.** Where I am, (and where others in this group are, from what I've read) unless the laid off person is out of work for a very long time, or spends a very long time at a lower salary, no modification is permitted. Which means that arrearages continue to accrue until the judge finally decides that the former salary is just not coming back. But the NCP is still stuck with all the arrearages and the penalties and interest. And is labeled "deadbeat" by the system. My husband found out a couple of years ago that he has a 13 year old daughter that he never knew about. He pays child support now--has never missed a payment, but also has arrearages to pay off. He is labeled as a deadbeat. Do you think he deserves that label? Even with a second job, he can only get up to $40,000. He falls behind in his support because he just can't keep bills paid on this new salary. **How can someone who makes $40,000 not be able to make ONE payment of 650.00 for one child??? Dont get defensive im just asking. ** $40,000 gross, not net. I live in a very high cost-of-living area. Out in the rural area I live in, a one bedroom apt would run you $800 per month. In the nearby city, it is far higher than that. $40K gross doesn't go very far. You didn't mention mom not working. Don't you think that she should be required to contribute financially for her own child, too? Or is it ok for her to not work? (I'm really trying to discuss this with you--no put-downs intended) Is he an asswipe? A deadbeat? Now, add to it that mom doesn't work. She lives with hubby #2, who supports her on his $60,000 per year job. She's not hurting because he isn't sending his usual amount. But she fights modification anyway. Who would you scold if you could talk to both of them? And why? **Her new hubbies income doesnt make any difference.** Legally, no, it doesn't. Morally, mom could simply not fight the modification, since they are doing ok anyway. But the question is, would you call that dad a deadbeat? |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
"T.J." wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... If your experience were the sum total of the child support system, TJ, then you would be correct. However, there are many experiences beyond yours. Many men who have been forced out of their children's lives and become nothing but walking wallets. You need to talk to people on the other side of the issue before you make judgements! **Same to you ... you need to talk to people on the other side of the issue before you make judgements or anyone else here does. I don't see where I made a judgement, TJ. On the other side of the coin, it is sad but true that some men walk away from their children and don't look back. Perhaps those are the ones who could rightfully be labeled "deadbeats." But the men struggling to keep up with ruinous lifestyle support and falling behind through no fault of their own do not deserve to be treated as criminals. Nor should those who are up to date or even through paying CS have their bonuses garnished "just in case." **So what was GM supposed to do? Just give everyone their bonuses and face federal charges for not complying? Perhaps they could keep their records up to date just a bit better. "T.J." wrote in message ... Dave you are so full of ****!!! You know in alot of cases the father doesnt want to be present. They are to wrapped up in their own egos and concerns about their money to even have any concern about their own children. Child support in my household goes to help pay for my childrens needs. As a matter of fact I have a seperate account that all the child support goes into so the money is used soley for my children. Paying support has everything to do with supporting children, children dont raise themselves and pay for their own expenses. The only people who erradicate men from their childrens lives are the ones who arent present. Stop blaming everyone else for the fact men cant grow up and be responsible. "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... Perhaps you should read the recent statement from Lowell at ANCPR for a little enlightment: "Paying child support has nothing to do with supporting your children. Child support is a policy that is fundamentally flawed, since it is based on the assumption that you can replace a parent with money. Child support, then, is not for children. It is for the custodial parent. It is a reward paid to the custodial parent for being successful in cutting you, the ncp, out of your child's life. Child support is a social policy that was specifically designed to enable single parent households. This has primarily, in well over 90% of contested cases, meant single mother households (as the program was designed explicitly to do). Therefore, when ever you hear the term single mother, you are actually hearing, "fatherless child". If you are paying child support, you are supporting this system. You are saying, with your money, "Yes, this makes sense to me." The only changes I would make to the above is wherever you see child support, replace it with "lifestyle child support" and that there is no accountability or requirement that it is used for the children. "T.J." wrote in message ... GOOD FOR GM!!!!! They should take deadbeat's bonuses away from them if they arent current on their child support!!!! TJ "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... It has not been easy always being a buy American car kind of guy. But this pushes it over the top for me. I will never own another GM product. "Angel" wrote in message ... I think that this is going way to far, Corporations should keep their noses to them selves. I mean what the hell are NCP supposed to do live in a freaking box. Regardless if the are paying on time or have arrears. I am glad that my husband doesn't work for GM. We don't have enough money now. Angel Published October 17, 2003 Child support cuts GM bonuses Many workers angry as they weren't past due By John Schneider Lansing State Journal Thousands of GM employees who pay child support in Michigan and other states found their $3,000 bonuses cut by $900 or withheld entirely this week. Ingham County Friend of the Court Donald Rei-sig called it a "unilateral and premature seizure" by General Motors Corp. But GM officials say federal law, and the time constraints of the labor contract employees recently ratified - which included the bonuses - forced them to err on the side of excess. About two-thirds of the money taken from 572 GM workers in Ingham County alone - with the blessing of the state Office of Child Support - came from people who are current in their payment or no longer under financial obligation at all. "This has to be illegal," said Allen McDaniel, a material handler at the Lansing Car Assembly plant, who completed his support obligations a year ago. His bonus check was $900 short: "How can you take money from somebody just because he might owe something?" McDaniel said GM officials assured him he would get his money eventually. Since Tuesday, when GM employees learned about the 50 percent shortages - about $900 in most cases - the Ingham Friend of the Court office has been swamped by calls from outraged clients. "People are as irate as hell," said Reisig. The bonuses - lump-sum wage increases established in the labor contract ratified Oct. 6 - started out at $3,000. Most employees took home about $1,800 after taxes. In the case of employees in Michigan with "active child or spousal support deductions," GM held half the $1,800, as specified by Michigan law. That varies from state to state. In Ohio, for example, GM withheld the entire amount. Federal law requires GM to help county and state officials enforce child-support orders through payroll deductions and diverting lump-sum payments to cover arrears. But in the cases of the bonuses distributed this week, GM (including Saturn), took 50 percent from all Michigan employees with active support deduction orders, regardless of whether they were behind in their payments. GM spokesman Tom Wickham acknowledged that it was an "unfortunate situation." But the terms of the new contract between GM and the United Auto Workers forced GM payroll officials to use a broad net, he said. Bonuses for child-support payers typically are handled like this: GM, anticipating the distribution of bonus checks, asks county or state officials to identify support payers behind in their obligations. GM uses that information to determine which bonuses get diverted. "Normally, we have 45 days to do this," Wickham said. "In this case, the contract was ratified Oct. 6, and we were contractually obligated to distribute the bonuses this week." Given that, Wickham said, GM officials decided to deduct 50 percent from the bonuses of all employees with support orders. As for why employees no longer under court orders got caught in the net, Wickham said, "We need to update our lists." GM will start releasing the money as it gets those updated lists, Wickham said. He declined to say when that will happen. Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for the state Family Independence Agency, said GM's action was proper. "We believe GM was honoring the language and intent of the agreement between the employer and the Office of Child Support," Sorbet said. Today that office will supply GM with a list of support payers who aren't behind in their payments, she said. "For anybody not in arrears, the money will be released," Sorbet said. "As for how quickly, you'll have to check with GM." On Thursday, in a blistering letter to GM, Reisig wrote: "Your payroll department withheld ... bonus payments, without regard to whether or not any support arrearage was owed." The letter continued: "Your action of prematurely seizing these funds and holding them, even for a relatively short period of time, does a disservice to your many employees, who both give to you their services, and who diligently pay their child support on behalf of their children." Of the 572 GM employees in Ing-ham County who received half their bonuses, 191 are behind in their support payments. "It sucks," said Doug Grace of Lansing, an Assembly plant worker who came up $900 short. "I go out of my way to make sure I don't fall behind." Contact John Schneider at 377-1175 or . |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
"T.J." wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message .net... "T.J." wrote in message ... Melvin, Ive never been here before in my life. Furthermore im not a "him" im a "her". I think you have the wrong person dumbass. Well, Mel was right about one thing - you send people personal emails in attempts to intimidate them off-line. What?? I dont think ive ever sent anyone an email off line. If I did it was an accident because I hit reply instead of reply to group. My apologies if I did. Now you are a liar. Here is the message content you sent me to my personal email account when I suggested to Angel you were a really a woman pretending to be a man. "Im not a woman pretending to be anything but woman. I wrote the message like that so no one would get confused about which woman I was talking about." Did you send me this message or not? A good communicator would say, "I am a woman and I am not pretending to be anything but a woman." Your message is, "I am not a woman." Which is it Bozo? Suffering from some gender confusion? Thanks for sending me the private email to explain you have a dick. I havent sent you any emails to explain I have a dick, I have no clue what the hell you are talking about. If you could please foward the email I sent that tells you I have a dick???? It's comforting to know a poster like you has a dick. Like I was really worried about your sexuality! Sorry but I dont think I ever sent anything to you saying im male or that I have a dick. Would you like me to post the headers from your email to prove it? What do the words "I'm not a woman" mean to you? Now how about explaining for all of us why you refer to your child's mother as "asswipe." Well considering I am my childs mother, I didnt. I have referred to my sons father as a deadbeat piece of **** and an asswipe. So why did you attack "Angel" the way you did and imply you were a male CP receiving CS? You are not the first to pull that scam here. |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... Where I am, (and where others in this group are, from what I've read) unless the laid off person is out of work for a very long time, or spends a very long time at a lower salary, no modification is permitted. Which means that arrearages continue to accrue until the judge finally decides that the former salary is just not coming back. But the NCP is still stuck with all the arrearages and the penalties and interest. And is labeled "deadbeat" by the system. My husband found out a couple of years ago that he has a 13 year old daughter that he never knew about. He pays child support now--has never missed a payment, but also has arrearages to pay off. He is labeled as a deadbeat. Do you think he deserves that label? How could he have arrearages to pay off? Did they go all the way back to the childs birth??? Clarification please. **How can someone who makes $40,000 not be able to make ONE payment of 650.00 for one child??? Dont get defensive im just asking. ** $40,000 gross, not net. I live in a very high cost-of-living area. Out in the rural area I live in, a one bedroom apt would run you $800 per month. In the nearby city, it is far higher than that. $40K gross doesn't go very far. You didn't mention mom not working. Don't you think that she should be required to contribute financially for her own child, too? Or is it ok for her to not work? (I'm really trying to discuss this with you--no put-downs intended) Dont they take out the child support before taxes and doesnt this person get to claim it on his taxes?? Well I guess it would depend on the situation, but im assuming that there are no special circumstances involved then yes she should at least be computed in at what she can potentially earn. I know that my state does this unless their is special circumstances involved. She should have at the very least be computed to make minimum wage |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
Actually you dont know anything about what happen and why my ex and I got
divorced and why he refused to pay support and refuses to see his children ,but the answer to your question is Nope. As a matter of fact I show my children my ex's picture constantly and have saved things from when we were together to give to them as they grow up so they are constantly reminded of him. I dont however make up excuses as to why he chooses not to see his children. I dont bring up his neglect to pay child support over the years either. If they ask me where he is I tell them the truth, " I dont know". If they ask why he doesnt see them I tell them, "I dont know, you will have to ask him someday". "gini52" wrote in message ... "T.J." wrote ........................... Well considering I am my childs mother, I didnt. I have referred to my sons father as a deadbeat piece of **** and an asswipe. == In you son's presence? == == |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message k.net... What?? I dont think ive ever sent anyone an email off line. If I did it was an accident because I hit reply instead of reply to group. My apologies if I did. Now you are a liar. How?? I said I DONT THINK ive ever sent anyone an email offline. If I DID IT WAS AN ACCIDENT because I hit reply instead of reply to group. MY APOLOGIES IF I DID!!!! "Im not a woman pretending to be anything but woman. I wrote the message like that so no one would get confused about which woman I was talking about." Did you send me this message or not? Yes actually I did apparently send it to you instead of the group again I apologize to you. I apologize to anyone here if I sent you an email personally as this is a new email program im using and I might have sent things to you personally rather than on the group. I didnt mean to. Would you like me to post the headers from your email to prove it? What do the words "I'm not a woman" mean to you? Um now I did look back into my sent files, as this is were I discovered I had sent the email to you personally by mistake. The subject line says nothing about IM NOT A WOMAN or anything in the header. It says Subject: Desperate Measures & Other Stuff So why did you attack "Angel" the way you did and imply you were a male CP receiving CS? You are not the first to pull that scam here. I didnt attack her as anything but myself. I suppose she and you and others chould be confused because my mail comes through as TJ but those are my intials. Were exactly in my email to her did I say im a MALE CP receiving CS?? Sorry if you guys make assumptions about who I am and what gender I am. As far as the comment I made about me not pretending to be anything but a woman, I made a mistype. Im a mother who doesnt get any child support from a deadbeat. Simple as that. IS that clear to you all. Again I apologize if I sent you guys email privately I didnt mean to. |
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