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Kids should work...
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message ... "ChrisScaife" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus29143" wrote in message ... In article , Kane wrote: I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being beating. spanking is a subset of beating. IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury: bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death... How about if the victim is too young to understand that the pain they're feeling is supposed to be good for them? How about if the victim doesn't show a lasting physical injury but the frequency of the spankings is enough to cause emotional damage? Doesn't emotional damage count for anything? When I was growing up I knew a kid who was spanked to sleep almost every night of his adolescence. He wet his bed almost every night well into his teens. No physical injuries. But he treats his children no better than he was treated. Is that lasting injury long enough for ya? Yep. That's the longest lasting damage of all. It goes on for generations. Most parents spank a child because of their own anger. It is rarely in relationship to whatever transgression that the child has performed. Thanks for pointing this out, Dan. Sherman. |
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Kids should work...
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message ... "ChrisScaife" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus29143" wrote in message ... In article , Kane wrote: I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being beating. spanking is a subset of beating. IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury: bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death... How about if the victim is too young to understand that the pain they're feeling is supposed to be good for them? ... Good point.... although I would tend to think of it as emotional or psychological abuse then. Just so there is no doubt: I do not support any form of CP. I didn't need it to train my dog. I don't need it for a child either! |
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Kids should work...
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:41:11 +1300, "ChrisScaife"
wrote: "bobb" wrote in message nk.net... I also found there is a sexual content to spanking. Dumb me... I never gave a thought about S & M associations. There are adults who get off on spanking their kids. Hum... I once saw a picture by a famous artist... of mother Mary spanking baby Jezus. I wish I could remember whom it was by! The expression Mary's face really said it all! Anyone else seen it ? I had not seen it, but found the reference. It's by Max Ernst. An image of the painting is online at: http://www.duke.edu/web/lit132/spanking.html -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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Kids should work...
"ChrisScaife" wrote in message ... "Dan Sullivan" wrote in message ... "ChrisScaife" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus29143" wrote in message ... In article , Kane wrote: I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being beating. spanking is a subset of beating. IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury: bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death... How about if the victim is too young to understand that the pain they're feeling is supposed to be good for them? ... Good point.... although I would tend to think of it as emotional or psychological abuse then. And the difference is? Just so there is no doubt: I do not support any form of CP. I didn't need it to train my dog. I don't need it for a child either! Good for you... and your children. |
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Kids should work...
Oh wow!
Another one! The one I saw Mary was scowling and looking vindictive. Jezus was howling and looking desperate. Thanks for finding this one though! "toto" wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:41:11 +1300, "ChrisScaife" wrote: "bobb" wrote in message nk.net... I also found there is a sexual content to spanking. Dumb me... I never gave a thought about S & M associations. There are adults who get off on spanking their kids. Hum... I once saw a picture by a famous artist... of mother Mary spanking baby Jezus. I wish I could remember whom it was by! The expression Mary's face really said it all! Anyone else seen it ? I had not seen it, but found the reference. It's by Max Ernst. An image of the painting is online at: http://www.duke.edu/web/lit132/spanking.html -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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Kids should work...
In alt.parenting.spanking Ignoramus25226 wrote:
: In article , ChrisScaife wrote: : : "Ignoramus29143" wrote in message : ... : In article , Kane wrote: : : I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to : your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being : beating. : : spanking is a subset of beating. : : IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury: : bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death... : : : Bruises are not "lasting damage". Bruises are a form of injury, and severe ones may be visible for weeks. Bruising occurs when blood vessels in the dermis rupture from an impact and leaked blood clots in the interstitial spaces, giving rise to the characteristic discoloration associated with bruises. : Besides, you can inflict pretty extreme pain on someone without : bruises showing up. This is true. : And also, effects of horror and humiliation and feeling abused is : certainly a "lasting damage to the brain". Not the brain, but certainly the psyche. By the way, just as a point of information, Odham's Dictionary of the English Language defines "spanking" as "a beating with a flat object." Chris |
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On 9 Dec 2003, Chris wrote:
In alt.parenting.spanking Ignoramus25226 wrote: : In article , ChrisScaife wrote: : : "Ignoramus29143" wrote in message : ... : In article , Kane wrote: : : I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to : your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being : beating. : : spanking is a subset of beating. : : IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury: : bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death... : : : Bruises are not "lasting damage". Bruises are a form of injury, and severe ones may be visible for weeks. Bruising occurs when blood vessels in the dermis rupture from an impact and leaked blood clots in the interstitial spaces, giving rise to the characteristic discoloration associated with bruises. : Besides, you can inflict pretty extreme pain on someone without : bruises showing up. This is true. : And also, effects of horror and humiliation and feeling abused is : certainly a "lasting damage to the brain". Not the brain, but certainly the psyche. By the way, just as a point of information, Odham's Dictionary of the English Language defines "spanking" as "a beating with a flat object." Chris So we should change the name this newsgroup to alt.parenting.beating-with-a-flat-object! Don't you just love words game? ;-) Doan |
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On 8 Dec 2003, Ignoramus25226 wrote:
"Ignoramus29143" wrote in message ... In article , Kane wrote: I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being beating. spanking is a subset of beating. How about a swat on the buttock? Is it a spanking or a beating? Doan |
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| bobbaloo was Kids should work...
"Kane" wrote in message om... Now here's a pip... Something of bobb's no doubt. see my reply intersperced..... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Immigration Alert: Benefits Plan For Illegal Aliens? ************************************************* * *** Please Forward, and sign the petition to *** stop immigration now! *** http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org ************************************************* * Benefits Plan For Illegal Aliens? Hi, As hard as it is to believe, Hey, I can believe just about anything. I read email and post to the Web. included in the massive prescription drug benefit plan currently being debated by the Senate is a provision that would provide ONE BILLION DOLLARS of our federal taxes to pay for the cost of healthcare provided to illegal aliens in our border states (almost 100% along the Mexican border). Yah mean if I want to go down to the border I'm going to have to hang around a bunch of sick Mexicans? That's going to smart. Whatever your opinion about the prescription drug benefit plan in general, you must call your senators as soon as possible and let them know what you think about this. Demand that they remove this funding for illegal aliens! And allow a disease pool to build up to flow out to the rest of the nation? America should not be paying the healthcare costs of foreign nations. I don't get how Mexicans living on the US side or working in the US create a valid cost for a foreign nation..such as Mexico. Are those Mexicans working in the US? Are they paying taxes in the US? Then they have a right to the same services that everyone else that lives and works here get. Then it would seem Mexico should grant the same benefits but they don't. It's illegal for an American citizen to own property in Mexico and are not eligible for any Mexican 'benefits'. I can think of a long list of people who should FIRST get this money (or keep this money), all of them American citizens. I only know one. His name is bobb. He should get his first just to pay him off so he'll have some dinero to go back to school. No tiene dinaro, loco Si. ************************************************* * What you can do ************************************************* * Call your rep, senators, and president. Let your voice be heard on immigration! Gov Contact Info: Whitehouse comments: 202-456-1111 http://www.senate.gov/ http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html ************************************************* * Correction ************************************************* * In the last action alert, we announced that Senator Kyl from Arizona was in favor of the agricultural guestworker program. Fortunately he is not. Oh, these Mexican's aren't just indigent touristas then. They come here and work, earn their pay too I've heard. I would not work all day in the hot sun in conditions they do for anything. I'm a lazy ass white American. You can call him and thank him for being opposed to the guestworker program, which is in fact a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens. If all the illigal aliens being ****ed about quite right now and all walked, swam, paddled, flew, back home to their contry of origin the economy of this nation would grind screechingly to a halt. Not so. That is merely an excuse for stupid ass politicians to pander for mexican votes. Illegal votes. Any politican who gained office by verture of mexican votes should be tossed out. We need a posting of all politicans pandering to the mexicans and vote them out of offices as well. That includes those who support driver licenses, social security benefits, hospitalization, and blanket citizenship. Start with Senators Kyl and Hatch and the rest will fall. The problem is they have already done to much damage to our society and laws they have managed to pass will be around for along time. Those who pushed anti-smoking laws are out of office.. but we still see the effects of their wrong-doing. bobb Unfortunately, Senator Kyl does support Orrin Hatch's bill to provide in-state tuition rates for illegal alien college students, which also includes an amnesty provision. So you can ask him to not support in-state tuition while you have his assistant on the line. Damn. First thing yah know those furriners will be catchin' on and gettin' ideas. Spoiling a good thing for lazy ass white americans that can use them against other white americans to divert those other white americans from catchin' on to how EVERYONE IS GETTIN' SCREWED, BLACK WHITE RED YELLOW AND BROWN the "the man" with the money. Also be sure to ask him to remove healthcare funding for illegal aliens in the prescription drug benefit plan! Watch the drug companies squeal....eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... Kyl: (202) 224-4521 | (602) 840-1891 | (520) 575-8633 ************************************************* * Some Free Market Hope ************************************************* * We don't just have power as free citizens or as voters. We also have power as consumers. Now that Dell has changed it's offshoring policy, I suggest we call other companies that have been famous for offshoring jobs to India. Off the top of my head American Express comes to mind. Remember, whenever you are called you can ask what country they are calling from. They have to tell you! http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org/news.html Now there IS a good idea. And while you are at it ask to have the trade sanctions lifted on all those foreign nations. That diplomacy by economic threat thing is getting a bit out of hand. There seems to be a revolt taking place. C-Span, CNN, Fox and the like are exposing stuff the public never really knew about. I suspect a lot grey haired old men will lose their cushy legislative jobs in the near future and not a vote too soon. bobb ************************************************* * Other Good News ************************************************* * After a tremendous amount of work from activists all over the country, congress UNANIMOUSLY passed the workplace verification program - and expanded it to all 50 states. President Bush is expected to sign the bill. You can of course encourage/thank him: (202) 456-1111 or 456-1414 I'm for it. And a living wage too. Now watch white america catch on to the truth. Someone still has to dip sewers, crop the tomatos, sweep, mop, etc...and for a decent wage. And who knows how and is willing? R R R R R The tide is turning. Let's make it a tidal wave! You betcha. Let's hear it for WHITE POWER!!!....OPPS! 'Scuse please, wrong group. Can someone show me to the talk.nazis.are.us newsgroup? Greg ************************************************* * What Tom Tancredo has to say about this ************************************************* * Tancredo Balks At Billion Dollar Boon For Illegal Aliens "If you build an illegal alien entitlement program, they will come" WASHINGTON, D.C. - Congressman Tom Tancredo (CO-06) was shocked at the conference report to H.R. 1, or what he calls the Patients Bill of Rights for Illegal Immigrants, an expanded version of an ill-advised, little noticed provision included in the Senate passed version of the bill. "Congress has been scraping to find an additional $1 billion for veterans health care, but doesn't blink when it comes to providing $1 billion in entitlements to illegal immigrants," said Tancredo, chairman of the Immigration Reform Caucus. "Writers of this Medicare bill have apparently never seen the movie Field of Dreams - if you build an illegal alien entitlement program, they will come." The provision - which now encompasses six pages in the conference report - provides $1 billion to reimburse hospitals for health care costs associated with treating illegal aliens. The provision has also been expanded to include the health care costs of aliens who have been temporarily paroled into the U.S., and even Mexican citizens who enter the country for 72 hours using a border crossing card. The three-term representative from Littleton, Colorado continued with, "While I do not dispute assertions about the financial hardships that mandatory care presents for hospitals and health care providers, I remain concerned that these funds will be flowing to providers in states that actively aid and abet illegal immigration." "Many of the states that will benefit from this provision have made themselves magnets for illegal immigration by enacting ill-advised policies that permit illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, attend higher education for in-state rates, and obtain public services through the use of consular ID cards. These policies create incentives for illegal immigration and drive the need for these emergency health care reimbursements - reimbursements that would be underwritten by the American taxpayer if this bill becomes law. This provision makes a bad bill even worse." ************************************************* * Be glad we have Tom Tancredo working for us in congress. ************************************************* * *** Please Forward, and sign the petition to *** stop immigration now! *** http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org ************************************************* * Hell, if I was a working illegal alien I'd stop paying taxes and dump a little tea in the harbor. The big problem with illegal aliens is that they want to become legals and wouldn't you know it, they want education, an increase in pay, and not having to work in conditions that would kill a boar hog. Who the hell do they think they are undermining the highly lucrative sweatshop economy? Well, I never....hmpphhh. Kane |
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