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Contract to support?
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:41:34 -0700, "Chris" wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:11:23 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:35:03 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:35 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:11:54 GMT, "Gini" What is immoral about a man helping to support a child he fathered? Strawman. I was making reference to a man being forced to pay an artificial debt. You were whining about being forced to make child support for a child that you claim is not yours. That "I" claim is not "mine"? Exactly what did I say that makes you believe your above statement. You DO believe it, correct? You mean that the child is your's and you don't accept any responsibility for it. I am aware that some men are supporting a child they did not father, and some are crying about it. Child support is not an artificial debt. Yes it is. And it's immoral too. If you did not father the child, get DNA proof you are not the child's father and have never accepted responsibility for the child. Improper syntax of your above statement makes it unclear. Grammar and spelling flames are lame, and far worse that calling you a stupid piece of ****, cry baby. Non sequitur. Care to clarify your previous statement? If you are to damn stupid to understand a simple concept, then I am wasting my time. if you are not the parent, and did not agree to accept responsibility for the child. Prove it and you will not be held responsible. Then you can quit being a cry baby about supporting a child. Just curious how much are you paying? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Contract to support?
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:31:13 -0700, "Chris" wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:00:14 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:49 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "Chris" wrote in message ... Teachermama has been in my killfile for some time, so I only see what other may respond to. That's too bad as you can learn a wealth of information from her. He won't respond to me either. Dealing with the facts is just too painful. Her little story sound like some other lies, I have heard many times. Parental rights are not taken away lightly. If a parent loses parental rights they usually go to jail, for abuse. Parental rights, and child support are usually linked. No rights, no responsibly. Correction: Paternal rights, and child support are RARELY linked, which is consistent with government standards. (notice I said "paternal" and not "parental", because fathers do NOT share the same rights as mothers) This is kind of an OT comment , but my state (Oregon) and the adjoining state (Washington) have governors who are crowing about the state legislature's passing bills against discrimination of gay/lesbian/transgender/bisexual/pick your poison types of citizens. The governors are commenting no citizen should ever have limited rights just because of their beliefs or lifestyle. I can't wait to go to my state representatives demanding if citizens should all have the same rights based on sex, religion, sexual preference, race, etc. etc. etc then all citizens should have the same PARENTAL rights as every other citizen. This is going to be fun! I plan to make them eat their hypocrisy and explain why NCP's can't have the same rights as CP's! It all sounds great on paper, but not to rain on your parade, they will simply tell you to go pack sand. Why? Because they CAN! Sorry they can and should, Because? Did you not answer my above question because you too don't know the answer, or because it is a secret? What question? Because what? They can tell you to pack sand, and in my opinion that exactly what they should do, either that or beat the **** out of your child abusing ass. Any worthless cock sucker that whines and cries about supporting his children is pure thrash. And in your case a ignorant piece of trash. BTW those that you hate also pay Child Support if they have fathered a child. BTW you whining crybabies have the same rights and responsibilities as any parent that assumes the responsibilities. IOW get married and raise a family. With all due respect, it is unclear what you are trying to convey in your above message. Only to a whining cry baby looking for sympathy, after ****ing up. Come on try to be a real man, double your child support payment. And stop your sniveling, it's embarrassing to real men to be around a cry baby. Your messages are becoming progressively more bizarre. Calling people names and telling them what to do is something you probably do to your own children; but that is not what this newsgroup is about. Perhaps "alt.name-calling" would be more fitting for you. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Contract to support?
"Robert" wrote in message news On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:31:13 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:00:14 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:49 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "Chris" wrote in message ... Teachermama has been in my killfile for some time, so I only see what other may respond to. That's too bad as you can learn a wealth of information from her. He won't respond to me either. Dealing with the facts is just too painful. Her little story sound like some other lies, I have heard many times. Parental rights are not taken away lightly. If a parent loses parental rights they usually go to jail, for abuse. Parental rights, and child support are usually linked. No rights, no responsibly. Correction: Paternal rights, and child support are RARELY linked, which is consistent with government standards. (notice I said "paternal" and not "parental", because fathers do NOT share the same rights as mothers) This is kind of an OT comment , but my state (Oregon) and the adjoining state (Washington) have governors who are crowing about the state legislature's passing bills against discrimination of gay/lesbian/transgender/bisexual/pick your poison types of citizens. The governors are commenting no citizen should ever have limited rights just because of their beliefs or lifestyle. I can't wait to go to my state representatives demanding if citizens should all have the same rights based on sex, religion, sexual preference, race, etc. etc. etc then all citizens should have the same PARENTAL rights as every other citizen. This is going to be fun! I plan to make them eat their hypocrisy and explain why NCP's can't have the same rights as CP's! It all sounds great on paper, but not to rain on your parade, they will simply tell you to go pack sand. Why? Because they CAN! Sorry they can and should, Because? Did you not answer my above question because you too don't know the answer, or because it is a secret? What question? Because what? They can tell you to pack sand, and in my opinion that exactly what they should do, either that or beat the **** out of your child abusing ass. Any worthless cock sucker that whines and cries about supporting his children is pure thrash. And in your case a ignorant piece of trash. Circular reasoning. WHY is such a person "pure trash"? BTW those that you hate also pay Child Support if they have fathered a child. BTW you whining crybabies have the same rights and responsibilities as any parent that assumes the responsibilities. IOW get married and raise a family. With all due respect, it is unclear what you are trying to convey in your above message. Only to a whining cry baby looking for sympathy, after ****ing up. Come on try to be a real man, double your child support payment. And stop your sniveling, it's embarrassing to real men to be around a cry baby. Your messages are becoming progressively more bizarre. Calling people names and telling them what to do is something you probably do to your own children; but that is not what this newsgroup is about. Perhaps "alt.name-calling" would be more fitting for you. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Contract to support?
"Robert" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:41:34 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:11:23 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:35:03 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:35 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:11:54 GMT, "Gini" What is immoral about a man helping to support a child he fathered? Strawman. I was making reference to a man being forced to pay an artificial debt. You were whining about being forced to make child support for a child that you claim is not yours. That "I" claim is not "mine"? Exactly what did I say that makes you believe your above statement. You DO believe it, correct? You mean that the child is your's and you don't accept any responsibility for it. No. I mean: where did "I" claim (whine) that "I" am "forced to make child support"? I am aware that some men are supporting a child they did not father, and some are crying about it. Child support is not an artificial debt. Yes it is. And it's immoral too. If you did not father the child, get DNA proof you are not the child's father and have never accepted responsibility for the child. Improper syntax of your above statement makes it unclear. Grammar and spelling flames are lame, and far worse that calling you a stupid piece of ****, cry baby. Non sequitur. Care to clarify your previous statement? If you are to damn stupid to understand a simple concept, then I am wasting my time. if you are not the parent, and did not agree to accept responsibility for the child. Prove it and you will not be held responsible. Then you can quit being a cry baby about supporting a child. No offense, but your messages and sentence structures make it difficult to understand what you are attempting to say. In other words, they do not follow standard common written English practices. Nonetheless, the fact remains that "child support" IS an artificial debt. No argument from me that it is a LEGAL debt. But that does not make it a REAL debt; no more so than me calling you a zebra makes you a zebra Until the dictionary defines the word "zebra" as "a guy named Robert who posts on alt.child-support", guess what, you aint' a zebra! So, if you want to redefine the word "debt", let me know and then we'll talk. Just curious how much are you paying? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Contract to support?
"Chris" wrote in message ... "Robert" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:41:34 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:11:23 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:35:03 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:35 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:11:54 GMT, "Gini" What is immoral about a man helping to support a child he fathered? Strawman. I was making reference to a man being forced to pay an artificial debt. You were whining about being forced to make child support for a child that you claim is not yours. That "I" claim is not "mine"? Exactly what did I say that makes you believe your above statement. You DO believe it, correct? You mean that the child is your's and you don't accept any responsibility for it. No. I mean: where did "I" claim (whine) that "I" am "forced to make child support"? I am aware that some men are supporting a child they did not father, and some are crying about it. Child support is not an artificial debt. Yes it is. And it's immoral too. If you did not father the child, get DNA proof you are not the child's father and have never accepted responsibility for the child. Improper syntax of your above statement makes it unclear. Grammar and spelling flames are lame, and far worse that calling you a stupid piece of ****, cry baby. Non sequitur. Care to clarify your previous statement? If you are to damn stupid to understand a simple concept, then I am wasting my time. if you are not the parent, and did not agree to accept responsibility for the child. Prove it and you will not be held responsible. Then you can quit being a cry baby about supporting a child. No offense, but your messages and sentence structures make it difficult to understand what you are attempting to say. In other words, they do not follow standard common written English practices. Nonetheless, the fact remains that "child support" IS an artificial debt. No argument from me that it is a LEGAL debt. But that does not make it a REAL debt; no more so than me calling you a zebra makes you a zebra Until the dictionary defines the word "zebra" as "a guy named Robert who posts on alt.child-support", guess what, you aint' a zebra! So, if you want to redefine the word "debt", let me know and then we'll talk. CS is not a debt. Just ask anyone who works in the CS system. They use every euphemism possible to avoid calling it a debt. Some examples are - CS is an obligation. CS is a money judgment. CS is an award. CS is a periodic payment. CS is a court-ordered amount. These definitions apply because CS, when paid as ordered, is to cover current expenses only and can stop at any time certain circumstances occur. My state goes so far as to refer to CS as a "money award" that is "sum certain and will not require payments in installments." Past due (arrearage) CS can result in a Support Arrearage Lien "when an installment becomes due under the terms of a support award and is not paid." The state uses so many euphemisms to describe CS they can't keep track. One Administrative Rule says CS is not an installment and another Administrative Rule says a missed payment was an installment. |
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Contract to support?
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Robert" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:41:34 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:11:23 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:35:03 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:35 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Robert" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:11:54 GMT, "Gini" What is immoral about a man helping to support a child he fathered? Strawman. I was making reference to a man being forced to pay an artificial debt. You were whining about being forced to make child support for a child that you claim is not yours. That "I" claim is not "mine"? Exactly what did I say that makes you believe your above statement. You DO believe it, correct? You mean that the child is your's and you don't accept any responsibility for it. No. I mean: where did "I" claim (whine) that "I" am "forced to make child support"? I am aware that some men are supporting a child they did not father, and some are crying about it. Child support is not an artificial debt. Yes it is. And it's immoral too. If you did not father the child, get DNA proof you are not the child's father and have never accepted responsibility for the child. Improper syntax of your above statement makes it unclear. Grammar and spelling flames are lame, and far worse that calling you a stupid piece of ****, cry baby. Non sequitur. Care to clarify your previous statement? If you are to damn stupid to understand a simple concept, then I am wasting my time. if you are not the parent, and did not agree to accept responsibility for the child. Prove it and you will not be held responsible. Then you can quit being a cry baby about supporting a child. No offense, but your messages and sentence structures make it difficult to understand what you are attempting to say. In other words, they do not follow standard common written English practices. Nonetheless, the fact remains that "child support" IS an artificial debt. No argument from me that it is a LEGAL debt. But that does not make it a REAL debt; no more so than me calling you a zebra makes you a zebra Until the dictionary defines the word "zebra" as "a guy named Robert who posts on alt.child-support", guess what, you aint' a zebra! So, if you want to redefine the word "debt", let me know and then we'll talk. CS is not a debt. Just ask anyone who works in the CS system. They use every euphemism possible to avoid calling it a debt. Some examples are - CS is an obligation. CS is a money judgment. CS is an award. CS is a periodic payment. CS is a court-ordered amount. These definitions apply because CS, when paid as ordered, is to cover current expenses only and can stop at any time certain circumstances occur. My state goes so far as to refer to CS as a "money award" that is "sum certain and will not require payments in installments." Past due (arrearage) CS can result in a Support Arrearage Lien "when an installment becomes due under the terms of a support award and is not paid." The state uses so many euphemisms to describe CS they can't keep track. One Administrative Rule says CS is not an installment and another Administrative Rule says a missed payment was an installment. Indeed. Changing the rules as they go along is tantamount to breaking their OWN rules. There is another name for this. It's called CHEATING. No wonder you always lose with these people; when their rule says you are not losing to them, they simply change it to make certain that you are now losing. "Imputed" income comes to mind. |
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