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Old August 13th 08, 07:01 PM posted to alt.child-support
Dusty
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Electronic cuffs planned for dads
'I don't see any safeguards. This presumes men guilty'

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Posted: August 12, 2008
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Illinois has joined a growing contingent of states to adopt a law that will
put electronic GPS tracking bracelets on men who have not been convicted of
any crime, but might be involved in a messy divorce.

The plan, named in memory of Cindy Bischoff, who was attacked and murdered
by a former boyfriend, was signed into law just days ago and is scheduled to
take effect Jan. 1.

And while its goal of protecting women and children from out-of-control
husbands and fathers is good, it goes too far and violates the civil rights
of innocent fathers, according to a lawyer for a group that will challenge
it.

"Electronic tagging devices can be appropriate as a condition of parole or
probation," said attorney Jeffery M. Leving, who is a nationally known
fathers' rights advocate, the author of "Fathers' Rights" and "Divorce Wars"
and founder of DadsRights.com. "The Cindy Bischof Law goes far beyond this,
placing long-term electronic tags on men who have never been found guilty of
any crime."

According to a website set up in memory of Cindy Bischoff, there are about a
dozen states, including Washington, Minnesota, Utah, Colorado, Michigan,
Oklahoma, Louisiana, Florida and Massachusetts, that now have similar
provisions. The campaign's goal is to prevent what happened to Bischof from
happening to others.

But Leving said there are major constitutional issues that need to be
resolved.

"The law carries a presumption of guilt," Leving said, "without the benefit
of a trial, yet the foundation of our entire criminal justice system is
based on a defendant being presumed innocent until proven guilty."

He said such restraining orders are not unusual.

A recent article by two leaders of the State Bar of California's Family Law
Section said such orders "are increasingly being used in family law cases to
help one side jockey for an advantage in child custody." And the Illinois
Bar Journal has described them as part of the "gamesmanship" of divorce.

But Leving said the full impact of Illinois' new law is that judges can
order anyone - mostly men and fathers - to wear a GPS tracking device if
they simply are accused of violating an order of protection, with no court
conviction or adjudication required.

In fact, he said, "such orders are generally done ex parte, without the
accused's knowledge and with no opportunity afforded for him to defend
himself."

Such lack of information for the men can result in unknowing violations,
Leving said.

"A man can accidentally be in the same park or mall as his
ex-wife/girlfriend, and the electronic monitoring device could lead to his
arrest even if he never actually saw her. Some men have even been tricked
into violating the orders by former spouses. The device will make this
easier-a woman could call her estranged husband, tell him she needs him to
come to her house because of a crisis with their children, and then have an
electronic record of his violation," he said.

"Perhaps such a drastic measure would be warranted if the men forced to wear
the devices had meaningful and fair trials, and were found to be guilty of
violent or dangerous crimes. However, the Bischof Law empowers judges with
the ability to mandate the GPS tracking device on anyone who is accused of
violating an order of protection," he said.

"Unfortunately, the rush to protect the abused is so incredibly aggressive
that the rights of the accused have been violated," Leving said. "I don't
see any safeguard in this law. This law basically presumes in these
situations [men] are guilty."

He said his organization will work with lawmakers to make them aware of the
potential pitfalls of their new law and will watch cases as they develop to
pursue a court challenge to its constitutionality.


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Old August 14th 08, 01:38 AM posted to alt.child-support
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Electronic cuffs planned for dads
'I don't see any safeguards. This presumes men guilty'

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Posted: August 12, 2008
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Illinois has joined a growing contingent of states to adopt a law that
will put electronic GPS tracking bracelets on men who have not been
convicted of any crime, but might be involved in a messy divorce.


Man what crap!! It'd be a cold day in hell before I'd let them put one of
those on me, law or not.


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Old August 14th 08, 02:05 AM posted to alt.child-support
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Default Electronic cuffs planned for dads


"Shadow39" wrote in message
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"Dusty" wrote in message
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=72215

Electronic cuffs planned for dads
'I don't see any safeguards. This presumes men guilty'

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: August 12, 2008
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Illinois has joined a growing contingent of states to adopt a law that
will put electronic GPS tracking bracelets on men who have not been
convicted of any crime, but might be involved in a messy divorce.


Man what crap!! It'd be a cold day in hell before I'd let them put one of
those on me, law or not.


There is always the law of unintended consequences.

The electronic cuffs could be put on cheating wives to track their
movements. They could be used to track where the party girls go and when.
They could be used to monitor a mother's time with and away from children to
destroy the false images women project to the courts during divorce to get a
better deal.

I see lots of very meaningful ways these electronic cuffs could be used to
help fathers during divorce

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Old August 14th 08, 02:50 AM posted to alt.child-support
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"Shadow39" wrote in message
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"Dusty" wrote in message
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=72215

Electronic cuffs planned for dads
'I don't see any safeguards. This presumes men guilty'

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: August 12, 2008
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Illinois has joined a growing contingent of states to adopt a law that
will put electronic GPS tracking bracelets on men who have not been
convicted of any crime, but might be involved in a messy divorce.


Man what crap!! It'd be a cold day in hell before I'd let them put one of
those on me, law or not.


There is always the law of unintended consequences.

The electronic cuffs could be put on cheating wives to track their
movements. They could be used to track where the party girls go and when.
They could be used to monitor a mother's time with and away from children
to destroy the false images women project to the courts during divorce to
get a better deal.

I see lots of very meaningful ways these electronic cuffs could be used to
help fathers during divorce



Hell, you can see where all this is leading?

Why don't they just get it over with and put the micro chip in all of us, so
that our tracks can be monitored at all times by both government and
employers?

All immigrants get one to so they can be booted out of visas expires or they
commit crimes!


 




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