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Tall women are bottlefeeders
Hillary Israeli wrote:
I'm 177.8 cm tall. I have three kids. I self-identify as not particularly maternal, but I'm a very good mother for my own kids! I have a lot of energy and ambition and a strong dedication to my profession... yet, I have chosen to work only a few hours a week while my children are small, and I engage in typically "maternal" behaviors such as breastfeeding, babywearing, changing diapers, driving to school, going on field trips, and heading up PTO meetings on a regular basis. I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but, I'm feeling sort of affronted! It is not always easy being tall! I'm with Banty around the 183cm mark. Working on the third kid, breastfed the first two and will the third and do think of myself as maternal. It took me a bit to respond because I didn't like the article, lol. I guess I'll just take it to suggest that I have the best of both worlds shrug. -- Nikki Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 EDD 4/06 |
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Tall women are bottlefeeders
In article , Nikki says...
Hillary Israeli wrote: I'm 177.8 cm tall. I have three kids. I self-identify as not particularly maternal, but I'm a very good mother for my own kids! I have a lot of energy and ambition and a strong dedication to my profession... yet, I have chosen to work only a few hours a week while my children are small, and I engage in typically "maternal" behaviors such as breastfeeding, babywearing, changing diapers, driving to school, going on field trips, and heading up PTO meetings on a regular basis. I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but, I'm feeling sort of affronted! It is not always easy being tall! I'm with Banty around the 183cm mark. Working on the third kid, breastfed the first two and will the third and do think of myself as maternal. It took me a bit to respond because I didn't like the article, lol. I guess I'll just take it to suggest that I have the best of both worlds shrug. What do you do with all that extra testosterone? Watch WWF on the sly? Banty |
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Tall women are bottlefeeders
Hillary Israeli wrote:
I'm 177.8 cm tall. I have three kids. I self-identify as not particularly maternal, but I'm a very good mother for my own kids! I have a lot of energy and ambition and a strong dedication to my profession... yet, I have chosen to work only a few hours a week while my children are small, and I engage in typically "maternal" behaviors such as breastfeeding, babywearing, changing diapers, driving to school, going on field trips, and heading up PTO meetings on a regular basis. I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but, I'm feeling sort of affronted! I had to go back and read the original post to see what it was actually all about. Seems like I'm at the low end of the range that would be considered "tall" (169 cm). The thing *I* find interesting about it is that I do think I have many personality traits and interests that would generally be more commonly associated with men than with women. I'm not hypermasculine or anything, and like dressing in feminine-looking clothes and so forth. Still, my husband is appreciative of the fact that I often instinctively "get" the male POV. That said, I think of myself as quite maternal in that I very much enjoy(ed) pregnancy, giving birth, breastfeeding, and all the other nurturing aspects of being a mother. And my husband seems to enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a FATHER just as much as I enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a mother. IOW, I'm just not sure I see how testosterone makes women less likely to be interested in parenthood, since I don't see any indication that very masculine men are less interested in parenthood than their less masculine counterparts. If you see what I mean. So I'm not really buying the testosterone connection, frankly. It might BE there, but the idea that it has any measurable effect on women's likelihood to become mothers seems less believable to me than that it IS more to do with a lack of partners for tall women. -- Be well, Barbara |
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Tall women are bottlefeeders
Waving up at you all from (umm, almost) 150 cm...
The shrimp mama to Micah, 11/14/04 |
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Tall women are bottlefeeders
In article .com, Circe
says... Hillary Israeli wrote: I'm 177.8 cm tall. I have three kids. I self-identify as not particularly maternal, but I'm a very good mother for my own kids! I have a lot of energy and ambition and a strong dedication to my profession... yet, I have chosen to work only a few hours a week while my children are small, and I engage in typically "maternal" behaviors such as breastfeeding, babywearing, changing diapers, driving to school, going on field trips, and heading up PTO meetings on a regular basis. I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but, I'm feeling sort of affronted! I had to go back and read the original post to see what it was actually all about. Seems like I'm at the low end of the range that would be considered "tall" (169 cm). The thing *I* find interesting about it is that I do think I have many personality traits and interests that would generally be more commonly associated with men than with women. I'm not hypermasculine or anything, and like dressing in feminine-looking clothes and so forth. Still, my husband is appreciative of the fact that I often instinctively "get" the male POV. That said, I think of myself as quite maternal in that I very much enjoy(ed) pregnancy, giving birth, breastfeeding, and all the other nurturing aspects of being a mother. And my husband seems to enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a FATHER just as much as I enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a mother. IOW, I'm just not sure I see how testosterone makes women less likely to be interested in parenthood, since I don't see any indication that very masculine men are less interested in parenthood than their less masculine counterparts. If you see what I mean. So I'm not really buying the testosterone connection, frankly. It might BE there, but the idea that it has any measurable effect on women's likelihood to become mothers seems less believable to me than that it IS more to do with a lack of partners for tall women. Yep. First of all, the article didn't address bottle vs. breast at all! Second, I'd have to see the original article, and wait for some reproduction of these results regarding taller women having more testosterone. If taller women have fewer children, I could see it being because it's harder for taller women to find partners. Also, since there is also data that taller *men* find easier career success, I'd wager that's at least as true for women (since the height may also compensate for feminine stereotypes), so tall women may emphasize career more as they find more success. Banty (::scratch:: belch) |
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Tall women are bottlefeeders
Banty wrote:
In article .com, Circe says... That said, I think of myself as quite maternal in that I very much enjoy(ed) pregnancy, giving birth, breastfeeding, and all the other nurturing aspects of being a mother. And my husband seems to enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a FATHER just as much as I enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a mother. IOW, I'm just not sure I see how testosterone makes women less likely to be interested in parenthood, since I don't see any indication that very masculine men are less interested in parenthood than their less masculine counterparts. If you see what I mean. So I'm not really buying the testosterone connection, frankly. It might BE there, but the idea that it has any measurable effect on women's likelihood to become mothers seems less believable to me than that it IS more to do with a lack of partners for tall women. Yep. First of all, the article didn't address bottle vs. breast at all! Yeah, that was a pretty funny title for the thread! Second, I'd have to see the original article, and wait for some reproduction of these results regarding taller women having more testosterone. If taller women have fewer children, I could see it being because it's harder for taller women to find partners. Also, since there is also data that taller *men* find easier career success, I'd wager that's at least as true for women (since the height may also compensate for feminine stereotypes), so tall women may emphasize career more as they find more success. Definitely. Another factor might also be that as women become more successful in their careers, it becomes even HARDER for them to find mates. So if being tall increases your chances of success in your career, and being either successful in your career OR tall makes it harder to find a mate, imagine how much harder it is for women who are BOTH successful AND tall! -- Be well, Barbara |
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Tall women are bottlefeeders
Circe wrote: Banty wrote: In article .com, Circe says... That said, I think of myself as quite maternal in that I very much enjoy(ed) pregnancy, giving birth, breastfeeding, and all the other nurturing aspects of being a mother. And my husband seems to enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a FATHER just as much as I enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a mother. IOW, I'm just not sure I see how testosterone makes women less likely to be interested in parenthood, since I don't see any indication that very masculine men are less interested in parenthood than their less masculine counterparts. If you see what I mean. So I'm not really buying the testosterone connection, frankly. It might BE there, but the idea that it has any measurable effect on women's likelihood to become mothers seems less believable to me than that it IS more to do with a lack of partners for tall women. Yep. First of all, the article didn't address bottle vs. breast at all! Yeah, that was a pretty funny title for the thread! Second, I'd have to see the original article, and wait for some reproduction of these results regarding taller women having more testosterone. If taller women have fewer children, I could see it being because it's harder for taller women to find partners. Also, since there is also data that taller *men* find easier career success, I'd wager that's at least as true for women (since the height may also compensate for feminine stereotypes), so tall women may emphasize career more as they find more success. Definitely. Another factor might also be that as women become more successful in their careers, it becomes even HARDER for them to find mates. So if being tall increases your chances of success in your career, and being either successful in your career OR tall makes it harder to find a mate, imagine how much harder it is for women who are BOTH successful AND tall! Exactly - my best friend is 6 feet tall (so, 180 cms?), and quite successful in her career. She is great with children and would love to have some, but she hasn't found the right guy yet. I think it's a lot easier for shorter women to find mates, personally. Unless a very tall woman is fashion model gorgeous, she's less likely to find a mate simply because men still seem to prefer women who are shorter than they are. I hope she does find someone worthy, though - she's a lovely person. 99 |
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Tall women are bottlefeeders
In article . com, Circe says...
Banty wrote: In article .com, Circe says... That said, I think of myself as quite maternal in that I very much enjoy(ed) pregnancy, giving birth, breastfeeding, and all the other nurturing aspects of being a mother. And my husband seems to enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a FATHER just as much as I enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a mother. IOW, I'm just not sure I see how testosterone makes women less likely to be interested in parenthood, since I don't see any indication that very masculine men are less interested in parenthood than their less masculine counterparts. If you see what I mean. So I'm not really buying the testosterone connection, frankly. It might BE there, but the idea that it has any measurable effect on women's likelihood to become mothers seems less believable to me than that it IS more to do with a lack of partners for tall women. Yep. First of all, the article didn't address bottle vs. breast at all! Yeah, that was a pretty funny title for the thread! Second, I'd have to see the original article, and wait for some reproduction of these results regarding taller women having more testosterone. If taller women have fewer children, I could see it being because it's harder for taller women to find partners. Also, since there is also data that taller *men* find easier career success, I'd wager that's at least as true for women (since the height may also compensate for feminine stereotypes), so tall women may emphasize career more as they find more success. Definitely. Another factor might also be that as women become more successful in their careers, it becomes even HARDER for them to find mates. So if being tall increases your chances of success in your career, and being either successful in your career OR tall makes it harder to find a mate, imagine how much harder it is for women who are BOTH successful AND tall! Yeah I'm 6 foot tall with an engineering PhD and the guys just all scatter and hide under chairs when I walk into the room! Banty (well, sometimes it feels like it..) |
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Tall women are bottlefeeders
Banty wrote:
What do you do with all that extra testosterone? Watch WWF on the sly? LOL - I hate sports. Another oddity. I'll have to give that one some thought. ;-) -- Nikki Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 EDD 4/06 |
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Tall women are bottlefeeders
"Banty" wrote in message
... In article . com, Circe says... Banty wrote: In article .com, Circe says... That said, I think of myself as quite maternal in that I very much enjoy(ed) pregnancy, giving birth, breastfeeding, and all the other nurturing aspects of being a mother. And my husband seems to enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a FATHER just as much as I enjoy the nurturing aspects of being a mother. IOW, I'm just not sure I see how testosterone makes women less likely to be interested in parenthood, since I don't see any indication that very masculine men are less interested in parenthood than their less masculine counterparts. If you see what I mean. So I'm not really buying the testosterone connection, frankly. It might BE there, but the idea that it has any measurable effect on women's likelihood to become mothers seems less believable to me than that it IS more to do with a lack of partners for tall women. Yep. snip If taller women have fewer children, I could see it being because it's harder for taller women to find partners. Also, since there is also data that taller *men* find easier career success, I'd wager that's at least as true for women (since the height may also compensate for feminine stereotypes), so tall women may emphasize career more as they find more success. Definitely. Another factor might also be that as women become more successful in their careers, it becomes even HARDER for them to find mates. So if being tall increases your chances of success in your career, and being either successful in your career OR tall makes it harder to find a mate, imagine how much harder it is for women who are BOTH successful AND tall! Yeah I'm 6 foot tall with an engineering PhD and the guys just all scatter and hide under chairs when I walk into the room! LOL! I think I was probably lucky to have found my guy before I finished grad school (although I never actually got as far as the PhD). I'm not anywhere NEAR as tall as you are (I'm just a bit under 5'7"), and I had a number of steady boyfriends before I met my husband, but there were certainly an awful lot of guys who passed me over when they realized I was probably smarter than they were. As an aside, my husband (bless him) thinks I have a higher IQ than he does (though I think we're probably pretty darned close to equal), but it's apparently never bothered him to believe that. He's just very secure about his own abilities and doesn't see our relationship as a competition on any level, let alone an intellectual one. Still, I can see how a smart, successful and exceptionally tall woman would have a VERY hard time finding a suitable, permanent partner. Our culture doesn't make it easy for men to accept a woman as a partner who is (or might be perceived as) his superior in any way. Some men are able to, of course, but they probably aren't in large supply! -- Be well, Barbara |
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