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When things go too far
karen wrote:
I was wondering if french kissing a 5 year old boy by his step-mother is sexual abuse. Please help me and let me know. I'm the mother. I'd say they are playing around. My four year old kisses me fiercely - it's a game, not sexual foreplay. (Note - I don't use tongue, but he sometimes licks my face when he's playing puppy-dog.) My guess is that you want to hate the woman. Be very, very careful before you start making accusations that will ruin a person's life. My understanding is that mothers who accuse the fathers of sexual misconduct with the children are MORE likely to lose custody. Wendy |
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In article , "karen" says...
I was wondering if french kissing a 5 year old boy by his step-mother is sexual abuse. Please help me and let me know. I'm the mother. Yanno, when I was in my 20s, I knew five couples with young kids who divorced. All five of the non-custodial parents - ALL FIVE OF THEM, ALL FIVE OF THEM! - told others that the custodial parent and/or new partner of the custodial parent of sexually abused the kids. I believed - - oh, about - - NONE - - of them, knowing personally about the situations. In the twenty years since then, I find that I know few people who got divorced during my decades-long friendships. I think it's because I learned to detect a certain flighty selfishness in a lot of the folks who eventually go down that path and don't form connections with them. I'm not saying that what you say is necessarily false. But it's so highly unlikely that a woman would be french-kissing a 5 year old boy, and so DAMN COMMON that ex's accuse the child's new situation of being abusive, that I just get sick and tired of reading this stuff. But- I'm not the one you worry about, of course, me being some stranger on USENET. But I can assure you that any judge and any arbitor and just about anyone involved in family court (except the the lawyers), is damn sick and tired of it too. So before you take any steps in this direction, look yourself in the mirror and really think about that incident somebody told you about, or that affectionate roughhousing that you saw from a distance - WHATEVER is was (unless you want folks to believe that a woman went about sexual acitivity with her stepchild in the witnessing presence of the birthmother), and tell yourself out loud to that image in the mirror that you are certain that a stepmother tongue-kisses a five year old boy in a sexual way. Al least start there - because evidently that person will be the LEAST hard to convince of those you'll have to convince if you go forward with this. Are you DAMN SURE of this accusation?? Banty |
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"Banty" wrote in message ... In article , "karen" says... I was wondering if french kissing a 5 year old boy by his step-mother is sexual abuse. Please help me and let me know. I'm the mother. Yanno, when I was in my 20s, I knew five couples with young kids who divorced. All five of the non-custodial parents - ALL FIVE OF THEM, ALL FIVE OF THEM! - told others that the custodial parent and/or new partner of the custodial parent of sexually abused the kids. I believed - - oh, about - - NONE - - of them, knowing personally about the situations. In the twenty years since then, I find that I know few people who got divorced during my decades-long friendships. I think it's because I learned to detect a certain flighty selfishness in a lot of the folks who eventually go down that path and don't form connections with them. I'm not saying that what you say is necessarily false. But it's so highly unlikely that a woman would be french-kissing a 5 year old boy, and so DAMN COMMON that ex's accuse the child's new situation of being abusive, that I just get sick and tired of reading this stuff. But- I'm not the one you worry about, of course, me being some stranger on USENET. But I can assure you that any judge and any arbitor and just about anyone involved in family court (except the the lawyers), is damn sick and tired of it too. So before you take any steps in this direction, look yourself in the mirror and really think about that incident somebody told you about, or that affectionate roughhousing that you saw from a distance - WHATEVER is was (unless you want folks to believe that a woman went about sexual acitivity with her stepchild in the witnessing presence of the birthmother), and tell yourself out loud to that image in the mirror that you are certain that a stepmother tongue-kisses a five year old boy in a sexual way. Al least start there - because evidently that person will be the LEAST hard to convince of those you'll have to convince if you go forward with this. Are you DAMN SURE of this accusation?? Banty Actually the truth is even worse. I'm was afraid of my ex and also I wasn't sure if tongue kissing was something to worry about. The truth is my son wanted to tongue kiss with me on several occasions and I told him no and he said he and his step-mother did it. My daughter said it was true and disgusted her. I thought that it was better to leave well enough alone but now I'm wondering if I've done my duty as a parent to ignore this issue. There are no accusations. Actually he had me investigated by a children's lawyer and I never said anything because I was so afraid of him. I was sure no one would believe me if I said anything. He abused me until I had a nervous breakdown, hence the investigation. I'm sure if I say half the stuff I could I would be told I was paranoid or lying, so I've said nothing so far. But I want the best for my kids. I'm not as afraid of him now. I'm more focused on what's best for them. Like I said, I'm not even sure if it is sexual or what, but if it is, I have a duty as a parent to report it, and my post on the net was to ask you, the people, if it is sexual. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 04/07/03 |
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karen wrote:
"Banty" wrote in message ... In article , "karen" says... I was wondering if french kissing a 5 year old boy by his step-mother is sexual abuse. Please help me and let me know. I'm the mother. Yanno, when I was in my 20s, I knew five couples with young kids who divorced. All five of the non-custodial parents - ALL FIVE OF THEM, ALL FIVE OF THEM! - told others that the custodial parent and/or new partner of the custodial parent of sexually abused the kids. I believed - - oh, about - - NONE - - of them, knowing personally about the situations. In the twenty years since then, I find that I know few people who got divorced during my decades-long friendships. I think it's because I learned to detect a certain flighty selfishness in a lot of the folks who eventually go down that path and don't form connections with them. I'm not saying that what you say is necessarily false. But it's so highly unlikely that a woman would be french-kissing a 5 year old boy, and so DAMN COMMON that ex's accuse the child's new situation of being abusive, that I just get sick and tired of reading this stuff. But- I'm not the one you worry about, of course, me being some stranger on USENET. But I can assure you that any judge and any arbitor and just about anyone involved in family court (except the the lawyers), is damn sick and tired of it too. So before you take any steps in this direction, look yourself in the mirror and really think about that incident somebody told you about, or that affectionate roughhousing that you saw from a distance - WHATEVER is was (unless you want folks to believe that a woman went about sexual acitivity with her stepchild in the witnessing presence of the birthmother), and tell yourself out loud to that image in the mirror that you are certain that a stepmother tongue-kisses a five year old boy in a sexual way. Al least start there - because evidently that person will be the LEAST hard to convince of those you'll have to convince if you go forward with this. Are you DAMN SURE of this accusation?? Banty Actually the truth is even worse. I'm was afraid of my ex and also I wasn't sure if tongue kissing was something to worry about. The truth is my son wanted to tongue kiss with me on several occasions and I told him no and he said he and his step-mother did it. My daughter said it was true and disgusted her. I thought that it was better to leave well enough alone but now I'm wondering if I've done my duty as a parent to ignore this issue. There are no accusations. Actually he had me investigated by a children's lawyer and I never said anything because I was so afraid of him. I was sure no one would believe me if I said anything. He abused me until I had a nervous breakdown, hence the investigation. I'm sure if I say half the stuff I could I would be told I was paranoid or lying, so I've said nothing so far. But I want the best for my kids. I'm not as afraid of him now. I'm more focused on what's best for them. Like I said, I'm not even sure if it is sexual or what, but if it is, I have a duty as a parent to report it, and my post on the net was to ask you, the people, if it is sexual. -------------- Oh stop it!! When people become paranoid about kissing, you need to say they're nuts. In fact whenever people get all twisted about something that the kids, when asked, happen to LIKE (or they wouldn't do it) you have to come to understand that it is that SICK SICK sexually SICK part of western culture is headed down a really sick kind of s******ing stupid blind alley that it should JERK itself out of by the short hairs and just let the KIDS decide what THEY like, and otherwise leave them the **** alone! If kids want to practice tongue kissing they STILL won't have any more colds than off doorknobs. And it doesn't hurt them. And if they want to fool with each other sexually, they'll simply be saner, happier and better informed and emotionally wired up than the rest of YOU poor abused children who were slapped and dishonored for YOUR curitosity! Kids are the way in which Love and Fun and Faith come into the world! If you don't trust your adult peers, at least trust kids and give THEM what THEY want. They won't want anything evil if you've not been evil to them, so have faith in that as a comsic principle or else you're a lost soul! Sex isn't evil and wrong, but YOU are if you even THINK **** like thar!! Jeezzus **** on a stick! Stand outside your culture and look at yourselves, for Gawd's sake! Steve |
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Duncan wrote:
On 19 Jul 2003, "R. Steve Walz" wrote in : karen wrote: "Banty" wrote in message ... In article , "karen" says... I was wondering if french kissing a 5 year old boy by his step-mother is sexual abuse. Please help me and let me know. I'm the mother. Yanno, when I was in my 20s, I knew five couples with young kids who divorced. All five of the non-custodial parents - ALL FIVE OF THEM, ALL FIVE OF THEM! - told others that the custodial parent and/or new partner of the custodial parent of sexually abused the kids. I believed - - oh, about - - NONE - - of them, knowing personally about the situations. In the twenty years since then, I find that I know few people who got divorced during my decades-long friendships. I think it's because I learned to detect a certain flighty selfishness in a lot of the folks who eventually go down that path and don't form connections with them. I'm not saying that what you say is necessarily false. But it's so highly unlikely that a woman would be french-kissing a 5 year old boy, and so DAMN COMMON that ex's accuse the child's new situation of being abusive, that I just get sick and tired of reading this stuff. But- I'm not the one you worry about, of course, me being some stranger on USENET. But I can assure you that any judge and any arbitor and just about anyone involved in family court (except the the lawyers), is damn sick and tired of it too. So before you take any steps in this direction, look yourself in the mirror and really think about that incident somebody told you about, or that affectionate roughhousing that you saw from a distance - WHATEVER is was (unless you want folks to believe that a woman went about sexual acitivity with her stepchild in the witnessing presence of the birthmother), and tell yourself out loud to that image in the mirror that you are certain that a stepmother tongue-kisses a five year old boy in a sexual way. Al least start there - because evidently that person will be the LEAST hard to convince of those you'll have to convince if you go forward with this. Are you DAMN SURE of this accusation?? Banty Actually the truth is even worse. I'm was afraid of my ex and also I wasn't sure if tongue kissing was something to worry about. The truth is my son wanted to tongue kiss with me on several occasions and I told him no and he said he and his step-mother did it. My daughter said it was true and disgusted her. I thought that it was better to leave well enough alone but now I'm wondering if I've done my duty as a parent to ignore this issue. There are no accusations. Actually he had me investigated by a children's lawyer and I never said anything because I was so afraid of him. I was sure no one would believe me if I said anything. He abused me until I had a nervous breakdown, hence the investigation. I'm sure if I say half the stuff I could I would be told I was paranoid or lying, so I've said nothing so far. But I want the best for my kids. I'm not as afraid of him now. I'm more focused on what's best for them. Like I said, I'm not even sure if it is sexual or what, but if it is, I have a duty as a parent to report it, and my post on the net was to ask you, the people, if it is sexual. -------------- Oh stop it!! When people become paranoid about kissing, you need to say they're nuts. In fact whenever people get all twisted about something that the kids, when asked, happen to LIKE (or they wouldn't do it) you have to come to understand that it is that SICK SICK sexually SICK part of western culture is headed down a really sick kind of s******ing stupid blind alley that it should JERK itself out of by the short hairs and just let the KIDS decide what THEY like, and otherwise leave them the **** alone! If kids want to practice tongue kissing they STILL won't have any more colds than off doorknobs. And it doesn't hurt them. And if they want to fool with each other sexually, they'll simply be saner, happier and better informed and emotionally wired up than the rest of YOU poor abused children who were slapped and dishonored for YOUR curitosity! Kids are the way in which Love and Fun and Faith come into the world! If you don't trust your adult peers, at least trust kids and give THEM what THEY want. They won't want anything evil if you've not been evil to them, so have faith in that as a comsic principle or else you're a lost soul! Sex isn't evil and wrong, but YOU are if you even THINK **** like thar!! Jeezzus **** on a stick! Stand outside your culture and look at yourselves, for Gawd's sake! Steve Pedo. --------------- No, you ****head. I defend children's right to what THEY want, I have NO delusion that what they want is ME, nor do I have a need for THEM! Steve |
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In article b1pSa.102056$ye4.74972@sccrnsc01, "Dizzysmamma" says...
"Nan" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:13:17 GMT, Duncan wrote: Jealous much? troll much? Nan You distract him on the bridge with fluffy hugs and tim tams and I'll get the Goat Brothers. ;o) I always knew those DAMN TIM TAMS were only fit for trolls! ;-) Banty |
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"Banty" wrote in message ... In article b1pSa.102056$ye4.74972@sccrnsc01, "Dizzysmamma" says... "Nan" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:13:17 GMT, Duncan wrote: Jealous much? troll much? Nan You distract him on the bridge with fluffy hugs and tim tams and I'll get the Goat Brothers. ;o) I always knew those DAMN TIM TAMS were only fit for trolls! ;-) Banty Hey they work almost 100% of the time as a troll repellant. /looks around It may be time for you all to start throwing some around. Angela |
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In article , Nan says...
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 04:38:31 GMT, "Dizzysmamma" wrote: "Nan" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:13:17 GMT, Duncan wrote: Jealous much? troll much? Nan You distract him on the bridge with fluffy hugs and tim tams and I'll get the Goat Brothers. ;o) Angela Nope, I'm not sharing my TIM TAMS with that troll and you can't make me!! Nan You got the capitalization right, but forgot the qualifier.. that's DAMN TIM TAMS. |
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In article , Nan says...
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:04:03 GMT, "Dizzysmamma" wrote: "Banty" wrote in message ... In article b1pSa.102056$ye4.74972@sccrnsc01, "Dizzysmamma" says... "Nan" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:13:17 GMT, Duncan wrote: Jealous much? troll much? Nan You distract him on the bridge with fluffy hugs and tim tams and I'll get the Goat Brothers. ;o) I always knew those DAMN TIM TAMS were only fit for trolls! ;-) Banty Hey they work almost 100% of the time as a troll repellant. /looks around It may be time for you all to start throwing some around. Angela Is OFT around??? Nan G Are Tim Tams Kosher? Banty |
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