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Old August 5th 06, 06:29 PM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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pitohui Sat Aug-05-06 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #18
35. "i nursed my kids two years each"

Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 12:27 PM by pitohui
that, my friends, is the future the breast-feeders want for all women

that is the future my mother, and a million other feminists, of the
20th century struggled so hard to fight against

woman a slave to baby for years at a time, it's sad and it forever
truncates the woman's future

if the formulas aren't good enough, then by god, invent better formulas
but what is the point of technology if woman must be a slave forever?

the hole in woman's earning ability and future created by spending
years w. a kid attached to her boob is a hole that can never be
overcome

and that's fine for fundies and, let's face it, the lazy women who grab
at any excuse not to work and just to get a free ride

but it is NOT fine for women who want to be free, independent, and to
have a shot at a future where they can get a decent earn

jesus, pitohui can't be the only woman here who actually wishes that
younger women could have choices and futures

our own mothers wanted better for us than a baby hanging off our tit
for two entire years! christ! shoot me now
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pitohui Sun Jul-30-06 07:11 PM
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their self righteousness

Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 07:15 PM by pitohui
oh and their anti-feminist desire to make sure that it's the woman who
is prisoner of baby for the man can't feed baby with HIS tit

do not be fooled, the whole breast feeding moment is very much
anti-woman and about making woman again into the n-word of the word, as
mr. lennon put it

you can't be pro-freedom, pro-technolgy, AND pro breast feeding, being
the slave of screaming squawling infant is not about modernity

---------------------------

pitohui (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-05-06 12:20 PM
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34. their desire to return women to the kitchen and to slavery

obviously if "breast is best" then men are excused from caring for the
infant and women are the ones faced w. the huge gaping hole in their
career which is almost never overcome

the woman can never have a chance at equal earning ability unless she
has some famous last name or influential man

it isn't just baby sucking at the tit, it forces the mother to become a
dependent as well

breast is not best, it is slavery, ask my mom, hell, ask any sane mom

the mothers who are into all this breast-feeding are not just
anti-woman and anti-feminist -- they want to take ALL women's freedom,
they are not happy just being slaves themselves, they preach and are
in-your-face abt wanting women to be slaves to baby forever

a bare breast does not offend me but the "breast is best" movement
cleverly designed by fundies and luddites to make woman's life a prison
forever -- hell, yes, that offends me and it should offend every woman
who wants her daughter to have a future

-------------------------------

pitohui Sat Aug-05-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. the progressive women i've known well used bottles

i guess it's my age showing but progressive woman once welcomed science
and technology, they didn't go screaming from it

sure some unattractive "earth mothers" in the 60s breast fed but to
call them "progressive" because they were "hippies" is just silly,
since their ideals are anything but progressive -- their only concern
seemed to be a neurosis about food -- women who spend all their time
being mammals ain't going anywhere in this life or doing anything to
help uplift other women

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Old August 5th 06, 06:53 PM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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pitohui Sat Aug-05-06 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #18
35. "i nursed my kids two years each"

Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 12:27 PM by pitohui
that, my friends, is the future the breast-feeders want for all women

that is the future my mother, and a million other feminists, of the
20th century struggled so hard to fight against

woman a slave to baby for years at a time, it's sad and it forever
truncates the woman's future

if the formulas aren't good enough, then by god, invent better formulas
but what is the point of technology if woman must be a slave forever?

the hole in woman's earning ability and future created by spending
years w. a kid attached to her boob is a hole that can never be
overcome

and that's fine for fundies and, let's face it, the lazy women who grab
at any excuse not to work and just to get a free ride

but it is NOT fine for women who want to be free, independent, and to
have a shot at a future where they can get a decent earn

jesus, pitohui can't be the only woman here who actually wishes that
younger women could have choices and futures

our own mothers wanted better for us than a baby hanging off our tit
for two entire years! christ! shoot me now
----------------

pitohui Sun Jul-30-06 07:11 PM
Response to Original message
their self righteousness

Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 07:15 PM by pitohui
oh and their anti-feminist desire to make sure that it's the woman who
is prisoner of baby for the man can't feed baby with HIS tit

do not be fooled, the whole breast feeding moment is very much
anti-woman and about making woman again into the n-word of the word, as
mr. lennon put it

you can't be pro-freedom, pro-technolgy, AND pro breast feeding, being
the slave of screaming squawling infant is not about modernity

---------------------------

pitohui (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-05-06 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
34. their desire to return women to the kitchen and to slavery

obviously if "breast is best" then men are excused from caring for the
infant and women are the ones faced w. the huge gaping hole in their
career which is almost never overcome

the woman can never have a chance at equal earning ability unless she
has some famous last name or influential man

it isn't just baby sucking at the tit, it forces the mother to become a
dependent as well

breast is not best, it is slavery, ask my mom, hell, ask any sane mom

the mothers who are into all this breast-feeding are not just
anti-woman and anti-feminist -- they want to take ALL women's freedom,
they are not happy just being slaves themselves, they preach and are
in-your-face abt wanting women to be slaves to baby forever

a bare breast does not offend me but the "breast is best" movement
cleverly designed by fundies and luddites to make woman's life a prison
forever -- hell, yes, that offends me and it should offend every woman
who wants her daughter to have a future

-------------------------------

pitohui Sat Aug-05-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. the progressive women i've known well used bottles

i guess it's my age showing but progressive woman once welcomed science
and technology, they didn't go screaming from it

sure some unattractive "earth mothers" in the 60s breast fed but to
call them "progressive" because they were "hippies" is just silly,
since their ideals are anything but progressive -- their only concern
seemed to be a neurosis about food -- women who spend all their time
being mammals ain't going anywhere in this life or doing anything to
help uplift other women




Freedom of choice is a bitch when other
people make the "wrong" choices for themselves....



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Old August 7th 06, 09:29 PM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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woman a slave to baby for years at a time, it's sad and it forever
truncates the woman's future

if the formulas aren't good enough, then by god, invent better formulas
but what is the point of technology if woman must be a slave forever?

the hole in woman's earning ability and future created by spending
years w. a kid attached to her boob is a hole that can never be
overcome



Oh good ****in' grief. Few normal women spend *years* with a "kid
attached to her boob" (in Western culture). As somebody who breastfed 2
kids for about 6 months each (and then gradually made the ol'
switcheroo to formula) I can say with great certainty that BFing a baby
in the middle of the night is a hell of a lot easier than getting up,
boiling water, measuring out formula, etc etc etc....

If women are so freaking busy and insecure and "enslaved" that they
can't do this for a few damn months then they shouldn't have babies.
Or they should just go for the formula and STFU. I have no problem with
women who choose not to breastfeed. But I have a huge problem with
women who make a huge sexist deal out of how they shouldn't be wasting
their precious time breastfeeding because it's "sexist"....

Idiotic!

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Old August 8th 06, 05:30 AM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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"doomella" wrote in message
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woman a slave to baby for years at a time, it's sad and it forever
truncates the woman's future

if the formulas aren't good enough, then by god, invent better formulas
but what is the point of technology if woman must be a slave forever?

the hole in woman's earning ability and future created by spending
years w. a kid attached to her boob is a hole that can never be
overcome



Oh good ****in' grief. Few normal women spend *years* with a "kid
attached to her boob" (in Western culture). As somebody who breastfed 2
kids for about 6 months each (and then gradually made the ol'
switcheroo to formula) I can say with great certainty that BFing a baby
in the middle of the night is a hell of a lot easier than getting up,
boiling water, measuring out formula, etc etc etc....

If women are so freaking busy and insecure and "enslaved" that they
can't do this for a few damn months then they shouldn't have babies.
Or they should just go for the formula and STFU. I have no problem with
women who choose not to breastfeed. But I have a huge problem with
women who make a huge sexist deal out of how they shouldn't be wasting
their precious time breastfeeding because it's "sexist"....

Idiotic!


Doomella:

I have to aggree with you. Too many wemen are being about sexist issue for
it to be exceptable. If they are uncomfortable about doing it, they
shouldn't have kids.
Loner


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Old August 5th 06, 07:51 PM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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I have seen several situations were mothers were made to feel
uncomfortable because they chose not to breast feed. I have also
encountered similar situations on the opposing side. I have to confess
that the advertising has laid the breastfeeding concepts on preety
thick latley. But that is media for you they are always distorting
things. Hey if someone feels the way that you do about Breastfeeding
then they should not breast feed, it would not be beneficial
emmotionally, and mentally. Which would inevitably negate the other
phisycal benefits.

Breast feeding allows the woman to nurse where ever whenever with no
bottles, formula, and less $ to worry about.......so why is that an
excuse to not work.


Woman are different from men. We have different gender roles to
fullfill that compliment each other. The feminist movment in the 20th
century was for womans rights not for denying your gender role. The
movement was so that we Woman would be treated as equals. That means
that woman no matter what age or activities they participate in should
be allowed the same rights as men.

In a healthy relationship the responsibilities are shared.
Breastfeeding should not excuse a father from responsibilites nor does
it limit the independance of the mother.Obviously if the mother decided
to walk away from her responsibilty to feed the child it would cause
detremental health issues but would it not then be the Fathers job to
step in and feed.

Breast feeding has many benefits, and you should cease the oppurtunity
when you have the chance. Look at it optimistically if you do not want
to then you can always feed formula. No one is denying your right to do
so. And now there are affordable pumps that are availible (or you can
do it by hand) so there is no excuse to ostercize yourself.

When I was breastfeeding my first I worked more then one job and went
to school fulltime. I had to give my child pumped milk a few times a
day but I was able to nurse her alot as well. Oh yeah I breastfed in
public to so kiss my ASS. and I am not ugly or fat., jerk. the nerve.

When it comes to feminism it is knowen that radical feminist would
desex all humans giving hysterectomies and visectomies. Give me a break
those people will be miserable forever if they do not learn how to
embrace their selves for who they are as individuals. Which would deny
them the ability to bare children as well. All births would be in
virtro test tube.....Lol. It is just funny how people always think that
they can improve things that are so perfect. It ends up being just an
ugly mess in the end.

Hey heres an idea why do we all not become communist clones?

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Old August 5th 06, 09:26 PM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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wrote:
snip
When it comes to feminism it is knowen that radical feminist would
desex all humans giving hysterectomies and visectomies.


Give them WHAT? If you mean surgical sterilization, why, that doesn't
desex a person. Not in the least. Just means they can't breed, and in
an overpopulated world, that's a good thing. In fact, vasectomies are
the cheapest, safest, and most effective method ever, and since there
is no morbidity and mortality associated with the procedure, it's the
most cost effective in the long run. However, there is more money to
be made by selling temporary pharmaceutical methods to women--with the
accompanying medical costs, since all methods for females have a
significant morbidity and mortality rate.

Give me a break
those people will be miserable forever if they do not learn how to
embrace their selves for who they are as individuals.


And not all women define themselves as lactating moocows. If it works
for you, fine, but not all women are like you, thank the )O(goddess)O(
{did you know that the most powerful goddesses in classical mythology
didn't breed?}

Which would deny
them the ability to bare children as well.


Ugh! Cover that child up! I didn't want to bear children, because I'm
more than a broodsow. If it works for you, fine. *My* goddess doesn't
*have* children and helped women abort.

All births would be in
virtro test tube.....Lol. It is just funny how people always think that
they can improve things that are so perfect. It ends up being just an
ugly mess in the end.


Speaking of ugly messes, overpopulation and the inevitable pollution is
taking its toll on your children, since mammalian fetuses absorb toxins
like a sponge. You should thank people for not breeding, because that
means less competition for your children, and since the apple doesn't
fall far from the tree, your children will have a hard time navigating
a world that demands high levels of intellectual functioning.

Hey heres an idea why do we all not become communist clones?


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Old August 5th 06, 10:58 PM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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Oh I understand your point of view better now. You are a radical
feminist, correct?

"most powerful goddesses in classical mythology"

Well, sweetheart you just called you goddess mythological.....so don't
you think its kinda' immature to have faith in a false idol, like
flying reindeer? I do not beleive that individuals who choose to not
have children are worthless. If that is your stand and you have
suffered from critisims than I am sorry for that you have been burdened
that way. I understand what that is like.
To say the truth I feel sorry that anyone like that will miss out on
the kind of pleasure being a wife and mother can be or husband and
father.

Having children is not easy. I can not deny that I am subserviant at
times and often neglect myself. I know how to share, give, and take. I
beleive that is the foundation of a society. That is a balance that a
strong healthy woman can accomplish and will be able to overcome any
oppressions powers wish to place on her.


elizabeth wrote:
wrote:
snip
When it comes to feminism it is knowen that radical feminist would
desex all humans giving hysterectomies and visectomies.


Give them WHAT? If you mean surgical sterilization, why, that doesn't
desex a person. Not in the least. Just means they can't breed, and in
an overpopulated world, that's a good thing. In fact, vasectomies are
the cheapest, safest, and most effective method ever, and since there
is no morbidity and mortality associated with the procedure, it's the
most cost effective in the long run. However, there is more money to
be made by selling temporary pharmaceutical methods to women--with the
accompanying medical costs, since all methods for females have a
significant morbidity and mortality rate.

Give me a break
those people will be miserable forever if they do not learn how to
embrace their selves for who they are as individuals.


And not all women define themselves as lactating moocows. If it works
for you, fine, but not all women are like you, thank the )O(goddess)O(
{did you know that the most powerful goddesses in classical mythology
didn't breed?}

Which would deny
them the ability to bare children as well.


Ugh! Cover that child up! I didn't want to bear children, because I'm
more than a broodsow. If it works for you, fine. *My* goddess doesn't
*have* children and helped women abort.

All births would be in
virtro test tube.....Lol. It is just funny how people always think that
they can improve things that are so perfect. It ends up being just an
ugly mess in the end.


Speaking of ugly messes, overpopulation and the inevitable pollution is
taking its toll on your children, since mammalian fetuses absorb toxins
like a sponge. You should thank people for not breeding, because that
means less competition for your children, and since the apple doesn't
fall far from the tree, your children will have a hard time navigating
a world that demands high levels of intellectual functioning.

Hey heres an idea why do we all not become communist clones?


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Old August 6th 06, 12:22 AM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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wrote:


Having children is not easy. I can not deny that I am subserviant at
times and often neglect myself.




Well, this is what happens when you think with your uterus
instead of your brain. Bed. Made. Lie.
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Old August 6th 06, 01:49 PM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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Lol, yeah and I would not have it any other why. I like to get layed
don't you.
Kari wrote:
wrote:


Having children is not easy. I can not deny that I am subserviant at
times and often neglect myself.




Well, this is what happens when you think with your uterus
instead of your brain. Bed. Made. Lie.


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Old August 6th 06, 07:59 PM posted to alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.feminism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.kids.breastfeeding,alt.support.childfree
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wrote:
Oh I understand your point of view better now. You are a radical
feminist, correct?


No, I'm a Jungian.

"most powerful goddesses in classical mythology"


Athena, Artemis, Hecate, and most of all, Hestia, never had offspring.

Well, sweetheart you just called you goddess mythological.....so don't
you think its kinda' immature to have faith in a false idol, like
flying reindeer?


I believe in archetypes.

snip

Let's talk about your archetype, Demeter, the original SmotherMother.
When her daughter, Persephone, ran off with Hades to become Queen of
the Underworld, Demeter tossed the mother of all hissyfits. She
refused to let anything grow, so all of the creatures on the planet,
including us mortals, were dying of starvation. She felt that since
she lost her daughter, the entire world should die along side her ...
all of the God/desses tried to make her lighten up and not mandate
universal starvation, and Persephone came up with a compromise, where
she's spend half her time with Mother and half with her husband, Hades.

That's what I dislike most about mothers, especially today, when you
choose it. You seem to think that your pain, your choice, means that
the rest of us have to pay for your choice, have to put up with the
failures of your childrearing methods, all at a time when the earth is
so overpopulated that we're killing off not only our species, but
thousands of other species as well.

Many women seek to find some sort of personal justification by having
children, but that's not rational. If your life is so meaningless that
you have to breed a dependant child to have any sort of function, you
are just the sort of person whose offspring is not needed. If the only
way you can find someone to love you is to breed a child, than you have
some issues that should be dealt with, instead of trying to ignore your
issues by breeding a child, so you can claim to have some sort of
function in the world.

See if you can locate a book called _The Mother Person_ which was
written in the early 1970s. It's not like women haven't known that
breeding for a life career isn't empty and ultimately unfulfilling.
Did Marilyn French write in vain?

 




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