Nan says: 'very hateful' (also: Lindy, please don't leave)

NAN SAYS: "VERY HATEFUL" Please see the postscript...

Also...

LINDY, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE

"Nan" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:47:20 -0600, (Lindy)
scribbled:

i just want you all to know until now, i enjoyed this group and visited
almost every day since my pregnancy. but i think you have gone to far
and im done here.

Lindy, I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt by certain people in this
group. Yes, it has gone too far.... way beyond the pathetic excuse of
"trying to stop misinformation". Ericka's posts have achieved that,
in a nice manner. The others have just been very hateful.
I'm hoping you won't leave completely, since there are some great
posters here, and they can be enjoyable to read.

Take care,

Nan

Lindy,

Please don't leave. Just filter/delete/ignore.

MDs are inflicting mass human suffering and they are lying to do it.

Obviously, you sincerely believe your baby slept through having a
substantial part of his penis literally ripped and sliced from his body.

This helps me understand how MDs got away with their phony "babies can't
feel pain" neurology for so long.

I'm glad you posted and hope you do not leave.

Todd

PS Nan, to the degree that my posts suggested that *Lindy* was at fault for
letting the doctor abuse her baby boy - I was wrong - not "hateful" - wrong.
MDs are powerful cultural authorities.

I don't think it "hateful" at all though to offer the facts about the MD
lies being told to perpetuate the mass child abuse for profit scheme of
American medicine.

Since thousands of American babies will be gruesomely abused by MDs today -
I will repeat myself again...

American pediatricians KNOW their grisly total foreskin amputation ritual is
mass child abuse.

THE MD COVER-UP: American MD priests hid behind the rabbis' robes...

In an Oct. 11, 1987 letter, I noted pediatricians perpetuating American
medicine's phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology and demanded an end to
the "no medical indications" partial penile amputation.

I copied the New England Journal of Medicine.

The Nov. 19, 1987 New England Journal of Medicine suddenly ran Anand and
Hickeys' article admitting the phony neurology - along with an editorial
stating that BABIES incur the pain of their circumcisions! (Anand later told
me that the Journal had been sitting on his article for over a year - it was
"too inflammatory" they told him.)

In November/December 1988, I wrote to Congress calling for a religious
exemption for the ancient Jewish ritual.

In January 1988, the pediatricians (the journal PEDIATRICS) came out against
ALL religious child abuse exemptions.

In February 1988, the pediatricians came out for anonymity of PERPETRATORS
of child abuse.

In March 1988, the California Medical Association/CMA suddenly - by voice
vote of its House of Delegates - declared the obvious "no medical
indications" child abuse to be "an effective public health measure." (The
CMA had to ignore its own Scientific Board which had recently squashed a
nearly identical resolution.)

CONTINUING to lie to parents to obtain "informed consent" - THAT is child
abuse

Sticking needles into baby penises to anesthetize (cover-up) child abuse -
that too is child abuse.

Attempting to soothe the baby with a sucrose pacifier as his penis is
literally ripped apart and his foreskin amputated - that too is child abuse.

Mark Lowry, III, MD writes: "A pacifier dipped in sugar actually goes a
LONG way toward
palliating an infant undergoing a circumcision."

Hillary Israeli, VMD replied: "Or [one dipped in] Manischewitz [wine], for
that matter..."

These MD/VMD cover-up behaviors are just as illegal as the grisly partial
penile amputation itself.

Some babies die or get infected and lose their penises.

Though death and
penile loss are rare - screaming and writhing and bleeding are not - even
when sucrose/wine pacifiers are used...

Mark Lowry, III, MD acknowledged the screams to "wc"...

"Yes, some babies do scream...You are wrong to state that there is no
anesthesia. Most doctors
(at least those who have been trained in the last 15 years or so) use
a locally injected anesthetic to address pain. Those who don't are
ignorant dinosaurs, IMNSHO."

Mark is wrong to pretend that - with or without anesthesia - American
pediatricians are not violating their own stated ethics (see below; not to
mention penal laws against child abuse)...

Even if only "some" babies are screaming - anesthetized child abuse is still
child abuse...

INFANT SCREAMS...

Here two nurses discussed the screams...

"After years of strapping babies down for this brutal procedure and
listening to their screams, we couldn't take it any longer." [Sperlich
BK, Conant M. Am J Nurs (Jun)1994:16. http://www.cirp.org/nrc/]

Here's a nurse calling it "barbaric"...

"Nursing alert...[N]urses must consider their participation in a
surgical procedure that involves no anesthesia to be a barbaric
practice." (p. 205) Donna L. Wong's Essentials of
Pediatric Nursing [1997]

Here's an MD calling it "barbaric"...

"[S]till all too often barbaric...[M.D.s]...would never allow older children
or adults to be subjected to such practices, nor would they submit to it
themselves..." [Veteran circumcision cheerleader Colonel Thomas E. Wiswell,
MD in article in the April 24, 1997 New England Journal of
Medicine]

In 1980, one pediatrician correctly identified the mass child abuse:

"[Routine infant circumcision] constitutes child abuse...an acknowledged
hazard to health." [Michael Katz, MD: Letter. AJDC, 1980]

In 1986, another pediatrician wrote:

"What a terrible indictment...guilty of failing those for whom we have
chosen to be advocates." [Finkel KC: The failure to report child abuse.
AJDC, 1986;140:329-330]

American pediatricians who perform routine infant circumcisions violate
their own ethics:

"[T]he pediatrician's responsibilities to his or her patient exist
independent of parental desires...

"...A[n infant's screaming writhing and bleeding obviously constitutes
the - TDG] patient's reluctance or refusal to assent [and - TDG]
should...carry considerable weight when the proposed intervention is not
essential to his or her welfare
and/or can be deferred without substantial risk...

"[T]hose who care for children need to provide for measures to solicit
assent and to attend to possible abuses of 'raw' power over children when
ethical conflicts occur."
AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS
Informed Consent, Parental Permission, and Assent in Pediatric
Practice(RE9510)
Pediatrics Volume 95, Number 2 February, 1995, p. 314-317
http://www.aap.org/policy/00662.html

Pseudonymous usenet pediatrician PF Riley, MD is perpetuating the mass child
abuse COVER-UP as his fellow MDs engage in mass child abuse.

It is time to EXEMPT the ancient Jewish ritual that leaves most of the
foreskin on the penis...

It is time to END the medical ritual - and instantly save America the
estimated $400 million dollars per year spent on organized medicine's
ongoing child abuse for profit scheme.

As usual, I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs. MDs are just
academic prime cuts forced through this culture's most powerful mental
meatgrinder - medical school.

As medical students, MDs are TRAINED to perform grisly felonies.

For a discussion of the other grisly felonies performed by MDs...

See SLAPP: How MDs get away with grisly felonies: Censor Bob Dubin, DC and
the Schroeder-SLAPP-censored chirolist
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2959

Thanks for reading,

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo


PS Of course, MDs don't need to stop their felonies and don't need pardons
in advance because it is legal for them to commit felonies - or rather - MDs
**will not be prosecuted** for their felonies by district attorneys and
attorney generals - the other parties who run the medico-"legal" "just us"
system...

You know, admitting that fact - finally ARTICULATING that fact - *really*
helps. My thanks to the women on misc.kids.pregnancy who encouraged me to
openly acknowledge the futility of thinking MDs are equal under the law.

Hopefully, a parent or two reading this has decided not to pay an MD to
commit child abuse on their infant son.

The vast majority of babies do not lose their lives or their penises - but
some do - most "only" scream and writhe and bleed - or maybe only "some"
scream - per Mark MD's comment above.

"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message
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NAN SAYS: "VERY HATEFUL" Please see the postscript...

Also...

LINDY, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE

"Nan" wrote in message

lindy,

i read most of the posts, and people are disagreeing with your opinions.
Just about everyone. maybe reflect on that? They are not saying you are a
bad person. It is a fairly serious issue, and you have made some comments
that could be deemed offensve (to say an un-circ looks gross is midly
offensive to me as mother of such boys.). You have also made some
innaccurate comments, such as urine does not sting a sore, when plenty of
people have their own experience to say it does,

however, none of this makes you are bad person, or gives you any less right
to put forward your opinons. but i think you have to expect disagreement
when you put these comments out there. and i think if you cant handle the
heat get out of the kitchen. having said that, come on, you can handle the
heat, dont leave! as you said, you have got some positive things out of
this group you should stay or come back soon anyway.

kind regards

christine

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:18:38 GMT, "Todd Gastaldo"
scribbled:

NAN SAYS:

Todd has been in my killfile for ages and I wouldn't have seen this if
not for having it quoted. Todd, you don't need to use me to further
your agenda.

Nan

"Mamma Mia" wrote in message
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"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message
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NAN SAYS: "VERY HATEFUL" Please see the postscript...

Also...

LINDY, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE

"Nan" wrote in message

lindy,

i read most of the posts, and people are disagreeing with your opinions.
Just about everyone. maybe reflect on that? They are not saying you are
a
bad person. It is a fairly serious issue, and you have made some comments
that could be deemed offensve (to say an un-circ looks gross is midly
offensive to me as mother of such boys.). You have also made some
innaccurate comments, such as urine does not sting a sore, when plenty of
people have their own experience to say it does,

however, none of this makes you are bad person, or gives you any less
right
to put forward your opinons. but i think you have to expect disagreement
when you put these comments out there. and i think if you cant handle the
heat get out of the kitchen. having said that, come on, you can handle
the
heat, dont leave! as you said, you have got some positive things out of
this group you should stay or come back soon anyway.

kind regards

christine


What she said ! Lindy - don't go. If everyone on usenet had the same
opinion on everything it would be a really boring place to be.

Amanda

--
DD 15th August 2002
1 tiny angel Nov 2003
DS 20th August 2004

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"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message
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NAN SAYS: "VERY HATEFUL" Please see the postscript...

Also...

LINDY, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE

"Nan" wrote in message

lindy,

i read most of the posts, and people are disagreeing with your opinions.
Just about everyone. maybe reflect on that? They are not saying you are
a
bad person. It is a fairly serious issue, and you have made some
comments
that could be deemed offensve (to say an un-circ looks gross is midly
offensive to me as mother of such boys.). You have also made some
innaccurate comments, such as urine does not sting a sore, when plenty of
people have their own experience to say it does,

however, none of this makes you are bad person, or gives you any less
right
to put forward your opinons. but i think you have to expect disagreement
when you put these comments out there. and i think if you cant handle
the
heat get out of the kitchen. having said that, come on, you can handle
the
heat, dont leave! as you said, you have got some positive things out of
this group you should stay or come back soon anyway.

kind regards

christine


What she said ! Lindy - don't go. If everyone on usenet had the same
opinion on everything it would be a really boring place to be.

Amanda

--
DD 15th August 2002
1 tiny angel Nov 2003
DS 20th August 2004

i think she must have gone..... hope she comes back!

christine