14 mth old possibly self-weaning - where to from here?

HollyLewis wrote:
Just in case this nursing strike does signal the end of our 14
month long nursing relationship, what should I do next? DD will
take cow's milk with cereal, loves cheese and yoghurt (although the
latter does nasty things to her poos, so I don't give her it often)
and likes custard and
other milky puddings. But she won't take EBM any way, or drink
cow's milk
as a drink. Should I try and push cow's milk as a drink in a week
or so if the nursing strike continues? Or will she be getting
enough goodies through the other dairy products she eats.

I'd think she'd be fine having milk on cereal and eating cheese. You
most definitely don't want or need to "replace" breastmilk with an
equivalent amount of cows' milk.

Good to hear, thank you.

Cows' milk is a convenient source of protein, calcium and fat. If
she doesn't drink milk, you just need to be sure she's getting
protein, calcium and fat some other way. Calcium is usually the most
difficult one, but cheese should work.

Cheese is the one thing she has been eating the last few days - she loves
it. So that is good.

You may also find that she will eventually accept milk. My DS didn't
drink it at all until 15 months -- which was a couple months after he
ceased to get ebm during the day, though he was still nursing
evening, night and morning. But now he has it on cereal at
breakfast, drinks a fairly large cup of it with his lunch nearly
every day, and often drinks some at dinner too.

The other thing you don't mention is, in what sort of container are
you offering her milk to drink? Perhaps her reluctance to drink the
milk has more to do with reluctance, or developmental inability, to
use whatever type of cup or bottle you've chosen than it does with
what's *in* the cup.

I'm giving it in her sippy cup that she loves for water, and also offering
it in a standard 'big people's glass. She has just learned how to blow
bubbles in it though (darn swimming lessons!), so prefers that to actually
drinking. I could try a straw, but I don't think she'd have a clue what to
do.

Cathy

In article , Cathy wrote:
Phoebe & Allyson wrote:
Cathy wrote:
My (equivalent of) WBV said that she could have a slight lactose
intolerance with that reaction to yoghurt.

Heh? Doesn't bm have way more lactose than yogurt? Allyson has the
Asian tendency towards lactose intolerance, and she handles yogurt
much better than most forms of milk.

Phoebe
I don't know! I'm kind of in a state of shock from this nursing strike, so
didn't think to look it up.

Breastmilk has way more lactose than cow's milk, which has way more lactose
than yogurt. To get less lactose than a well fermented yogurt, you'd
have to go to well aged cheeses.

Elaine

Elaine wrote:
In article , Cathy wrote:
Phoebe & Allyson wrote:
Cathy wrote:
My (equivalent of) WBV said that she could have a slight lactose
intolerance with that reaction to yoghurt.

Heh? Doesn't bm have way more lactose than yogurt? Allyson has the
Asian tendency towards lactose intolerance, and she handles yogurt
much better than most forms of milk.

Phoebe
I don't know! I'm kind of in a state of shock from this nursing
strike, so didn't think to look it up.

Breastmilk has way more lactose than cow's milk, which has way more
lactose than yogurt. To get less lactose than a well fermented
yogurt, you'd
have to go to well aged cheeses.

Elaine

Just as well someone knows what they are talking about! Thanks heaps for
that - I started DD on yoghurt again yesterday, as she on antibiotics, and
it is also about the only thing she will eat at the moment. So far, there
seems to be nothing different with bowel motions (mind you, the antibiotic
ones are pretty offensive, so I might not notice). I doubted the lactose
intolerance bit myself, but when someone says these things, you start
wondering. And as I ws drinking up to 2 litres of milk a day myself when DD
was young, she would have been exposed to it a lot! Now if I can just get
the small child back on the breast...

Cathy

Just as well someone knows what they are talking about! Thanks heaps for
that - I started DD on yoghurt again yesterday, as she on antibiotics, and
it is also about the only thing she will eat at the moment. So far, there
seems to be nothing different with bowel motions (mind you, the antibiotic
ones are pretty offensive, so I might not notice). I doubted the lactose
intolerance bit myself, but when someone says these things, you start
wondering.

Antibiotics can cause temporary lactose intolerance, due to irritation of the
gut or something.

--Helen

"Cathy" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone, Just in case this nursing strike does signal the end of our
14
month long nursing relationship, what should I do next? DD will take
cow's
milk with cereal, loves cheese and yoghurt (although the latter does nasty
things to her poos, so I don't give her it often) and likes custard and
other milky puddings. But she won't take EBM any way, or drink cow's milk
as a drink. Should I try and push cow's milk as a drink in a week or so
if
the nursing strike continues? Or will she be getting enough goodies
through
the other dairy products she eats. I have never looked in to this, as I
assumed the end would be gradual, not sudden. (I shoudl add that I am
having
great difficulty pumping now, so I will try cow's milk rather than EBM as
the milkof choice - she's had 14 months of good stuff).

Any advice greatly appreciated,
Cathy



Hi Cathy,

I've found myself in the same boat - how to best replace breast milk? I am
additionaly concerned becuase DS is a vegetarian. I've opted for a
follow-on milk bottle to replace the evening breastfeed. He (already) has
cow's milk with his breakfast cereal, yogurt and cheese. He's not
interested in drinking cow's milk, although he's perfectly happy drinking
water.

Yet another "I hope I've made the right parenting choices" decisions.....

Jacqui

H Schinske wrote:
Antibiotics can cause temporary lactose intolerance, due to
irritation of the gut or something.

Based on the OP, I had the impression that this was a long-standing issue
with yogurt, but not other dairy. Could be wrong, though.

Phoebe
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"Cathy" wrote in message ...
Nikki wrote:
Cathy wrote:

Should I try and
push cow's milk as a drink in a week or so if the nursing strike
continues?

Starting at 12 months I offered both my kids a cup of milk with each
meal. I really wanted Hunter to drink it so I gave him chocolate
milk. They did not want it at first but both started drinking it
regularly in 2-3 months. Luke really took off on it, Hunter was more
conservative. I still buy him chocolate milk every other week or so
because I don't feel he gets enough calcium from his diet.

Thanks Nikki - I'll try that. Till now she has only had BM or water -
didn't like juice, and didn't like milk. But I'll keep offering, and try
chocolate milk (if I can keep it away from DH!).

Cathy

To do chocolate milk, you might want to just get some Hershey's syrup
(or equivalent) and add some to the milk, rather than commercially
done chocolate milk, which has a ton of added sugar. That way, you
can control the amount of chocolate! I have to admit, ds still
insists on his "choco-milk" at 2.5, but I don't feel too bad about the
little bit of chocolate syrup in it. The one time I bought some real
chocolate milk, he was bouncing off the walls! When I tasted it, I
realized why!

(There may be some available that isn't as sweet, but it hasn't been
worthwhile for me to look for it, since it's also more convenient to
just buy regular milk so I can have it for cereal and stuff like that.
Right now, I'm buying 2% for ds and skim for dh & me - I'd hate to be
buying 3 types! Though I suppose when I start doing whole for the
baby between 1 & 2, I may get to 3 types eventually!)

Irene
mom to Thomas 7/01
& Marcus or Gwendolyn EDD 4/10/04

Phoebe & Allyson wrote:
H Schinske wrote:
Antibiotics can cause temporary lactose intolerance, due to
irritation of the gut or something.

Based on the OP, I had the impression that this was a long-standing
issue with yogurt, but not other dairy. Could be wrong, though.

Phoebe
You are right - she had yoghurt while ago, quite regularly, and it did nasty
things, so I stopped it. But I started with youghurt again, as a) I hoped
it woudl help with the possibility of thursh from the antibiotics, and b) it
seems nice and cool and liquidy, and seems like it shoudl help sore throats.

Cathy

H Schinske wrote:
Just as well someone knows what they are talking about! Thanks
heaps for that - I started DD on yoghurt again yesterday, as she on
antibiotics, and it is also about the only thing she will eat at the
moment. So far, there seems to be nothing different with bowel
motions (mind you, the antibiotic ones are pretty offensive, so I
might not notice). I doubted the lactose intolerance bit myself,
but when someone says these things, you start wondering.

Antibiotics can cause temporary lactose intolerance, due to
irritation of the gut or something.

--Helen

I dind't know that - thanks Helen. The yoghurt issue was an old one
(pre-antibitoics), but I'll keep an eye on her now, just in case.

Cathy

Jacqui C wrote:
"Cathy" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone, Just in case this nursing strike does signal the end of
our 14 month long nursing relationship, what should I do next? DD
will take cow's milk with cereal, loves cheese and yoghurt (although
the latter does nasty things to her poos, so I don't give her it
often) and likes custard and other milky puddings. But she won't
take EBM any way, or drink cow's milk as a drink. Should I try and
push cow's milk as a drink in a week or so if the nursing strike
continues? Or will she be getting enough goodies through the other
dairy products she eats. I have never looked in to this, as I
assumed the end would be gradual, not sudden. (I shoudl add that I
am having great difficulty pumping now, so I will try cow's milk
rather than EBM as the milkof choice - she's had 14 months of good
stuff).

Any advice greatly appreciated,
Cathy



Hi Cathy,

I've found myself in the same boat - how to best replace breast milk?
I am additionaly concerned becuase DS is a vegetarian. I've opted
for a follow-on milk bottle to replace the evening breastfeed. He
(already) has cow's milk with his breakfast cereal, yogurt and
cheese. He's not interested in drinking cow's milk, although he's
perfectly happy drinking water.

Yet another "I hope I've made the right parenting choices"
decisions.....

Jacqui

DD thought I was trying to poison her with follow on milk, and formula! I
would use it if she would take it. Sounds to me like you have made the
right choice for your son.

Cathy