Smallpox vax 1880

"Mark Thorson" wrote in message
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Roman Bystrianyk wrote:

What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting
someone with a weakened smallpox.

It's not weakened (actually, the term is
attenuated). It's regular smallpox,
and some inoculations would progress to
the full-blown disease. The advantage
of inoculation is that the infection
site is on the skin instead of in the
lungs, which greatly reduces the chance
that the full-blown disease will develop.

Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it was
attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1%
death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it naturally.
Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty
sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball peen
hammer.

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it was
attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1%
death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it
naturally.
Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty
sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball
peen
hammer.



death rate was 18% usually, although under proper care it was 1-2% as
Sydenham pointed out in the 17 century, and doctors like Trall and Tilden in
the 19th, early 20th who never lost a single case of smallpox

In unvaccinated Leicester the case mortality was 1.24%

under vaccination it rose to 26% in some places eg revaccinated japan

"Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school"
doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about three
hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses; to
the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to mothers
who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest form.
All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD

"I don't think there's been any major shift in the medical profession's
general approach to new ideas. I don't think there ever will be that kind of
wholesale change. Three hundred years ago, when the major disease was
smallpox, Sir Thomas Sydenham [1624-89] developed a new treatment that
reduced the death rate from about 50 percent to 1 percent or 2 percent. His
reward was being challenged to a duel. The English medical association
wanted to drive him out. He wrote: "A new idea is like a sapling in the
middle of a road, and if it's not fenced in, it will be galloped over by the
trampling hordes." That's a really great statement, and it's also my view of
what happens to medical discovery." -----Abram Hoffer, MD, PhD 1997
Interview by Peter Barry Chowka.

"Mr. Pickering, who treated cases at Gloucester by the "water cure" method,
declared that his fatality rate was as low as 2 per cent."---- Lilly Loat
[Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and Immunization

"Mark Thorson" wrote in message
...
Roman Bystrianyk wrote:

What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting
someone with a weakened smallpox.

It's not weakened (actually, the term is
attenuated). It's regular smallpox,
and some inoculations would progress to
the full-blown disease. The advantage
of inoculation is that the infection
site is on the skin instead of in the
lungs, which greatly reduces the chance
that the full-blown disease will develop.

So inoculation is the skin, and variolation is into the nose, both using
smallpox pus from a human vesicle?

"JOHN" wrote in message
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"George Conklin" wrote in message
nk.net...


Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it
was
attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1%
death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it
naturally.
Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty
sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball
peen
hammer.



death rate was 18% usually, although under proper care it was 1-2% as
Sydenham pointed out in the 17 century, and doctors like Trall and Tilden
in
the 19th, early 20th who never lost a single case of smallpox

In unvaccinated Leicester the case mortality was 1.24%

under vaccination it rose to 26% in some places eg revaccinated japan

"Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school"
doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about
three
hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses;
to
the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to
mothers
who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest
form.
All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD

"I don't think there's been any major shift in the medical profession's
general approach to new ideas. I don't think there ever will be that kind
of
wholesale change. Three hundred years ago, when the major disease was
smallpox, Sir Thomas Sydenham [1624-89] developed a new treatment that
reduced the death rate from about 50 percent to 1 percent or 2 percent.
His
reward was being challenged to a duel. The English medical association
wanted to drive him out. He wrote: "A new idea is like a sapling in the
middle of a road, and if it's not fenced in, it will be galloped over by
the
trampling hordes." That's a really great statement, and it's also my view
of
what happens to medical discovery." -----Abram Hoffer, MD, PhD 1997
Interview by Peter Barry Chowka.

"Mr. Pickering, who treated cases at Gloucester by the "water cure"
method,
declared that his fatality rate was as low as 2 per cent."---- Lilly Loat
[Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and Immunization


I am not into quacks as you are. Smallpox caught naturally was generally
fatal and if you survived you were seriously maimed.

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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I am not into quacks as you are. Smallpox caught naturally was generally
fatal and if you survived you were seriously maimed.



Yeah, an allopath. Allopathy is generally fatal. 18-26% death rate under
allopathy http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy4.html

0-2% under sanitation measures or naturopathy and homeopathy
http://www.whale.to/a/case.html

not much has changed, now allopathy is the leading cause of death, 780,000
every year in the USA alone, plus 400,000 or so deaths from cancer and aids
chemo http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html

plus the thousands left to die from alzheimer's
http://www.whale.to/a/alzheimer.html

heart disease http://www.whale.to/w/heart_disease.html

plus the millions addicted to completely useless psychiatric drugs
http://www.whale.to/a/psychiatry_h.html

plus the millions given autism
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html

and so on

so, now wonder you see yourself in the non-allopathy 'quacks'

On Jun 22, 8:36 am, "George Conklin"
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"JOHN" wrote in message

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"George Conklin" wrote in message
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Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it
was
attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1%
death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it
naturally.
Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty
sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball
peen
hammer.

death rate was 18% usually, although under proper care it was 1-2% as
Sydenham pointed out in the 17 century, and doctors like Trall and Tilden
in
the 19th, early 20th who never lost a single case of smallpox

In unvaccinated Leicester the case mortality was 1.24%

under vaccination it rose to 26% in some places eg revaccinated japan

"Not one case receiving homeopathic care died, while the "old school"
doctors lost twenty percent of their (smallpox) cases.....I gave about
three
hundred internal vaccinations, five to adults acting as practical nurses;
to
the man who installed the telephone and lights in the pest-house; to
mothers
who slept with their children while they had smallpox in its severest
form.
All of these people, exposed daily, were immune."--W. L. Bonnell, MD

"I don't think there's been any major shift in the medical profession's
general approach to new ideas. I don't think there ever will be that kind
of
wholesale change. Three hundred years ago, when the major disease was
smallpox, Sir Thomas Sydenham [1624-89] developed a new treatment that
reduced the death rate from about 50 percent to 1 percent or 2 percent.
His
reward was being challenged to a duel. The English medical association
wanted to drive him out. He wrote: "A new idea is like a sapling in the
middle of a road, and if it's not fenced in, it will be galloped over by
the
trampling hordes." That's a really great statement, and it's also my view
of
what happens to medical discovery." -----Abram Hoffer, MD, PhD 1997
Interview by Peter Barry Chowka.

"Mr. Pickering, who treated cases at Gloucester by the "water cure"
method,
declared that his fatality rate was as low as 2 per cent."---- Lilly Loat
[Book 1951] The Truth About Vaccination and Immunization

I am not into quacks as you are. Smallpox caught naturally was generally
fatal and if you survived you were seriously maimed.- Hide quoted text -

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The truth about smallpox is exactly as Sydenham stated, something like
"smallpox is a most mild and non-life threating disease...except for
the mischief of the doctor or nurse." If you ever go back and read
about the treatments doctors used for smallpox, you quickly realize
that the docs were killing their patients with their treatments.
The medical records of the German army indicate clearly that smallpox
vaccination was utterly useless ( the troops may have been vaccinated
not once, but up to 4 times) and that the troops were not only the
first to get the disease, but died in numbers four to five times
greater than the general public.

The British army reported similar results concerning smallpox in
India. Only nutrition and sanitation were effective against smallpox.

The claims I see today only serve to cover up the muderous truth.

DrCee

I also posted the book Pox Americana which described the effect of smallpox
on early America and included a good discussion of variolation. But it had
the same effect as the later cow pox materials...it prevented death.

Smallpox vaccination caused death as seen he
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs...rint_list_item

"Roman Bystrianyk" wrote in message
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I also posted the book Pox Americana which described the effect of
smallpox
on early America and included a good discussion of variolation. But it
had
the same effect as the later cow pox materials...it prevented death.

Smallpox vaccination caused death as seen he
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs...rint_list_item


yeah, 25,000 a year in the UK in 1880
http://www.whale.to/a/deathssmallpox.html

just babies

in Leicester they lost 2,200 less babies!! under 5 compared to their high
vax years

In article , JOHN wrote:
Dr. Tennison Deane of San Francisco, in his Crime of Vaccination, tells a
remarkable story illustrative of this truth.

Translation: tells an unverifiable anecdote of no relevance whatever.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any."
-- Bill Maher

In article ,
George Conklin wrote:

I am not into quacks as you are. Smallpox caught naturally was generally
fatal and if you survived you were seriously maimed.

"Generally" fatal is too strong. According to CDC, the mortality rate
is 30% or more. See:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/001356.htm


However, historically we know that some populations were more
susceptible than others, which is why smallpox did such a hideously
efficient job of killing, say, the indigenous peoples of the
Americas, for example.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any."
-- Bill Maher