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Ohh looky what I found!
A repost: http://groups.google.com/group/misc....nce+of+opinion 2001 Sep;124(Pt 9):1821-31 Macrophagic myofasciitis lesions assess long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminium hydroxide in muscle. Gherardi RK, Coquet M, Cherin P, Belec L, Moretto P, Dreyfus PA, Pellissier JF, Chariot P, Authier FJ. Equipe mixte INSERM E 0011/Universite Paris XII, France. Macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF) is an emerging condition of unknown cause, detected in patients with diffuse arthromyalgias and fatigue, and characterized by muscle infiltration by granular periodic acid-Schiff's reagent-positive macrophages and lymphocytes. Intracytoplasmic inclusions have been observed in macrophages of some patients. To assess their significance, electron microscopy was performed in 40 consecutive cases and chemical analysis was done by microanalysis and atomic absorption spectrometry. Inclusions were constantly detected and corresponded to aluminium hydroxide, an immunostimulatory compound frequently used as a vaccine adjuvant. A lymphocytic component was constantly observed in MMF lesions. Serological tests were compatible with exposure to aluminium hydroxide-containing vaccines. History analysis revealed that 50 out of 50 patients had received vaccines against hepatitis B virus (86%), hepatitis A virus (19%) or tetanus toxoid (58%), 3-96 months (median 36 months) before biopsy. Diffuse myalgias were more frequent in patients with than without an MMF lesion at deltoid muscle biopsy (P 0.0001). Myalgia onset was subsequent to the vaccination (median 11 months) in 94% of patients. MMF lesion was experimentally reproduced in rats. We conclude that the MMF lesion is secondary to intramuscular injection of aluminium hydroxide-containing vaccines, shows both long-term persistence of aluminium hydroxide and an ongoing local immune reaction, and is detected in patients with systemic symptoms which appeared subsequently to vaccination. PMID: 11522584 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=PubMed&... uids=12184366&dopt=Abstract Vaccine 2002 May 31;20 Suppl 3:S5-6 Related Articles, Links Macrophagic myofasciitis: a summary of Dr. Gherardi's presentations. Brenner A. Rhevmatological Services, Inc., Framington, MA 01702, USA. Dr. R.K. Gherardi presented two papers at the symposium, detailing his researches into a proposed new clinical entity which he has entitled Macrophagic Myofasciitis (MMF). In his first paper he described the histopathologic and immunologic characteristics of the condition, and in the second, the clinical and serologic features. Dr. Gherardi believes that MMF, a syndrome of ascending myalgias, fatigue and diffuse musculoskeletal pain, may be related to a chronic immune response to aluminum granulomas persisting at the sites of prior immunization with aluminum adjuvated vaccines. PMID: 12184366 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=PubMed&... uids=11910509&dopt=Abstract Pediatr Dev Pathol 2002 Mar-Apr;5(2):151-8 Related Articles, Links Aluminum phagocytosis in quadriceps muscle following vaccination in children: relationship to macrophagic myofasciitis. Lacson AG, D'Cruz CA, Gilbert-Barness E, Sharer L, Jacinto S, Cuenca R. Departments of Pediatrics and Pathology, University of South Florida at All Children's Hospital, 801 Sixth Street South 7020, St. Petersburg, FL 33731, USA. Macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF) is a rare, seemingly emerging entity among adult patients in France. We encountered two children with the first two cases of MMF in North America. A 5-year-old male with chronic intestinal pseudo-obstruction required nighttime parenteral nutrition. Abnormal pupillary reflexes and urinary retention suggested a diffuse dysautonomia, which prompted a neurological diagnostic work-up. A 3-year-old child had developmental delay and hypotonia. Both children received age-appropriate immunizations. Quadriceps muscle biopsy from each child showed the typical patchy, cohesive centripetal infiltration of alpha-1-antitrypsin+, alpha-1-antichymotrypsin+, CD68+, PAS+, CD1a-, S-100-, factor XIII- granular macrophages with adjacent myofiber atrophy, dilated blood vessels, and mild endomysial and perimysial fibrosis. No myonecrosis was observed and no discrete granulomas were seen. A single aluminum peak was demonstrated on energy dispersive X-ray microanalysis. The etiology of the clinical symptoms in these cases and in cases reported as MMF remains intriguing. Despite numerous stains to demonstrate organisms, most infectious causes leading to macrophage activation were ruled out. These cases are being reported to increase awareness of this condition and to encourage a systematic epidemiologic and clinicopathologic study in North America. PMID: 11910509 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=PubMed&... uids=11335699&dopt=Abstract Brain 2001 May;124(Pt 5):974-83 Related Articles, Links Central nervous system disease in patients with macrophagic myofasciitis. Authier FJ, Cherin P, Creange A, Bonnotte B, Ferrer X, Abdelmoumni A, Ranoux D, Pelletier J, Figarella-Branger D, Granel B, Maisonobe T, Coquet M, Degos JD, Gherardi RK. Groupe d'Etudes et de Recherches sur le Muscle et le Nerf (GERMEN, EA Universite Paris XII-Val de Marne), Faculte de Medecine de Creteil, Departement de Pathologie, Hopital Henri Mondor, AP-HP, Creteil, France. Macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF), a condition newly recognized in France, is manifested by diffuse myalgias and characterized by highly specific myopathological alterations which have recently been shown to represent an unusually persistent local reaction to intramuscular injections of aluminium-containing vaccines. Among 92 MMF patients recognized so far, eight of them, which included the seven patients reported here, had a symptomatic demyelinating CNS disorder. CNS manifestations included hemisensory or sensorimotor symptoms (four out of seven), bilateral pyramidal signs (six out of seven), cerebellar signs (four out of seven), visual loss (two out of seven), cognitive and behavioural disorders (one out of seven) and bladder dysfunction (one out of seven). Brain T(2)-weighted MRI showed single (two out of seven) or multiple (four out of seven) supratentorial white matter hyperintense signals and corpus callosum atrophy (one out of seven). Evoked potentials were abnormal in four out of six patients and CSF in four out of seven. According to Poser's criteria for multiple sclerosis, the diagnosis was clinically definite (five out of seven) or clinically probable multiple sclerosis (two out of seven). Six out of seven patients had diffuse myalgias. Deltoid muscle biopsy showed stereotypical accumulations of PAS (periodic acid-Schiff)-positive macrophages, sparse CD8+ T cells and minimal myofibre damage. Aluminium-containing vaccines had been administered 3-78 months (median = 33 months) before muscle biopsy (hepatitis B virus: four out of seven, tetanus toxoid: one out of seven, both hepatitis B virus and tetanus toxoid: two out of seven). The association between MMF and multiple sclerosis-like disorders may give new insights into the controversial issues surrounding vaccinations and demyelinating CNS disorders. Deltoid muscle biopsy searching for myopathological alterations of MMF should be performed in multiple sclerosis patients with diffuse myalgias. PMID: 11335699 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=PubMed&... uids=10847840&dopt=Abstract Science 2000 May 26;288(5470):1323-4 Related Articles, Links Public health. Aluminum is put on trial as a vaccine booster. Malakoff D. Publication Types: News PMID: 10847840 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=PubMed&... uids=9302736&dopt=Abstract Vaccine 1997 Aug-Sep;15(12-13):1314-8 Related Articles, Links In vivo absorption of aluminium-containing vaccine adjuvants using 26Al. Flarend RE, Hem SL, White JL, Elmore D, Suckow MA, Rudy AC, Dandashli EA. Department of Physics, Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN 47907, USA. Aluminium hydroxide (AH) and aluminium phosphate (AP) adjuvants, labelled with 26Al, were injected intramuscularly (i.m.) in New Zealand White rabbits. Blood and urine samples were collected for 28 days and analysed for 26Al using accelerator mass spectrometry to determine the absorption and elimination of AH and AP adjuvants. 26Al was present in the first blood sample (1 h) for both adjuvants. The area under the blood level curve for 28 days indicates that three times more aluminium was absorbed from AP adjuvant than AH adjuvant. The distribution profile of aluminium to tissues was the same for both adjuvants (kidney spleen liver heart lymph node brain). This study has demonstrated that in vivo mechanisms are available to eliminate aluminium-containing adjuvants after i.m. administration. In addition, the pharmacokinetic profiles of AH and AP adjuvants are different. PMID: 9302736 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/...act/124/9/1821 |
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I notice you were very selective in the papers you posted - here's the
other side of the story. The side that in your dishonesty, you chose not to present: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum "At present, there are no data to conclude that childhood vaccines, and in particular hepatitis B vaccine, pose a serious health risk or justify a change in current immunization practice." In reference to the risks of vaccines in regards to autism, thimerasol, leukemia and macrophagic myofasciitis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Macrophagic myofasciitis is extremely rare, and limited to people of French origin, suggesting that the disease is a result of genes. Evidence for a genetic link is further supported by this article, using rats: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Macrophagic myofasciitis may not be due to aluminum at all: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum And at the end of the day macrophagic myofasciitis causes minor muscle pain and muscle fatigue. It's etiology (cause) is unknown, and is observed in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Even if it is directly caused by vaccination, who really cares? If given a choice between some minor pain verses polio, hepatitis, or any of the other multitude of diseases we vaccinate against, I'll take the muscle pain. Lets not forget - I, nor anyone else who is pro-vaccine, has ever claimed that vaccination is without risk. The thing is, the risk and consequences of not being vaccinated far outweigh any known, or imagined risk. Bryan |
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I've always been curious to know... could you explain to me why it is
felt necessary to give the HepB vaccine on the day of birth? Why the rush? Shouldn't parents be given a chance to get to know their babies' personalities before giving such a questionable shot? Sure you've provided evidence that there are no causes for concern, but then others like Jan have given evidence that there *IS* cause for concern. To me, a study showing no cause for concern does not negate one showing cause for concern unless it specifically and fully addresses the reasons that are of concern. Bryan Heit wrote: I notice you were very selective in the papers you posted - here's the other side of the story. The side that in your dishonesty, you chose not to present: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum "At present, there are no data to conclude that childhood vaccines, and in particular hepatitis B vaccine, pose a serious health risk or justify a change in current immunization practice." In reference to the risks of vaccines in regards to autism, thimerasol, leukemia and macrophagic myofasciitis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Macrophagic myofasciitis is extremely rare, and limited to people of French origin, suggesting that the disease is a result of genes. Evidence for a genetic link is further supported by this article, using rats: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Macrophagic myofasciitis may not be due to aluminum at all: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum And at the end of the day macrophagic myofasciitis causes minor muscle pain and muscle fatigue. It's etiology (cause) is unknown, and is observed in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Even if it is directly caused by vaccination, who really cares? If given a choice between some minor pain verses polio, hepatitis, or any of the other multitude of diseases we vaccinate against, I'll take the muscle pain. Lets not forget - I, nor anyone else who is pro-vaccine, has ever claimed that vaccination is without risk. The thing is, the risk and consequences of not being vaccinated far outweigh any known, or imagined risk. In your opinion. My opinion differs. Max. |
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Max C. wrote:
I've always been curious to know... could you explain to me why it is felt necessary to give the HepB vaccine on the day of birth? Why the rush? Shouldn't parents be given a chance to get to know their babies' personalities before giving such a questionable shot? Sure you've I'm not sure what you're getting at here but it doesn't come across well. provided evidence that there are no causes for concern, but then others like Jan have given evidence that there *IS* cause for concern. To me, a study showing no cause for concern does not negate one showing cause for concern unless it specifically and fully addresses the reasons that are of concern. In case you haven't been paying attention the risk/benefit analysis falls on the side of vaccination. Sure some kids get to die, or have complications, but this number is far far smaller than results from non-vaccination. |
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"Mike McWilliams" wrote in message ... Max C. wrote: I've always been curious to know... could you explain to me why it is felt necessary to give the HepB vaccine on the day of birth? Why the rush? Shouldn't parents be given a chance to get to know their babies' personalities before giving such a questionable shot? Sure you've I'm not sure what you're getting at here but it doesn't come across well. Hopefully..this repost will explain it to you. hep B vaccines This response submitted by posted in other forum on 8/11/99. Email Address: This is the statement I sent to every member of the Government Reform Committee who will oversee the hepatitis B vaccine hearings. You have permission to use any part of it and my name as a District Health Services Coordinator (Registered Professional Nurse) who is very concerned with what I am witnessing in the children coming into our schools. This statement is also supported by the Missouri Central District School Nurse Association. I hope this may help in some small way. Thank you so very much for all you do. All the nurses in my district will be praying for you on Tuesday. Thank you for having the courage to fight for the health of our children. Subject: Hepatitis B Vaccine: School Nurse Perspective This is a school nursing perspective for the congressional hearings on May 18 regarding the safety of the hepatitis B vaccine that is being mandated for newborns and now older children in America. Our Central District School Nurse Association asks you to please consider the following information and submit it into the congressional testimony. We continually see more and more damaged children entering our schools, and are very concerned that a major portion of that damage is due to the hepatitis B vaccine's assault on the newborn neurological and immune system. I am a registered professional nurse and the district health services coordinator for a large school district. I am writing on behalf of all the school nurses in our district. We have very grave concerns about the hepatitis B vaccine. For the past three or four years our school districts have noted a significant increase in the number of children entering school with developmental disorders, learning disabilities, attention deficit disorders and/or serious chronic illness such as diabetes, asthma and seizure disorders. Each of the past four years has been worse than the year before. There is only one common thread we can identify in all these children: they are the children who received the first trial hepatitis B injections as newborns in the early 1990s. As the hepatitis B compliance rate in newborns has gone up in our community, so has the percentage of damaged children. This is very alarming. Because of having so many damaged children we have tried to find the long term clinical trials that ruled this vaccine "safe and effective". We discovered through an exhaustive Medline search that the FDA based its decision to approve hepatitis B vaccine for administration in the first hours of a newborn baby's life upon clinical trials and upon post-marketing surveillance studies in which patients and their doctors were asked to report any adverse effects they noticed within 4-5 days after each injection [4 days for SmithKline and 5 days for Merck]. The problems being reported in increasing numbers as occurring after hepatitis B vaccination appear to be autoimmune and neurological in origin. Such problems take weeks to months to produce noticeable symptoms, and cannot be spotted in a 4-5 day observation period. These are the only clinical studies that have been done by Merck or SmithKline. There is not one long-term study that we could find. The CDC and FDA have no idea what the long term effects will be on the newly developing neurological and immune systems of the infants who are injected with this vaccine. They seem to only be concerned with denying the connection between these damaged children and the hepatitis B shot they received within a few hours of birth. The CDC even admits the lack of study and states they do not even know how long the vaccine will be effective. We found this amazing since the vaccine was developed for a population at risk for hepatitis B: IV drug users, high risk medical professionals and those who are involved in high risk sexual practices. In 1950 (before mass immunizations began), the USA had the third lowest infant mortality rate in the world. By 1986, the USA dropped to 17th place. In 1995 the USA dropped to 23rd and now the USA has dropped to the appalling position of 24th in the health of its children (but the USA is now first in vaccine compliance through government mandates). Does this make you nervous too? The elementary grades are overwhelmed with children who have symptoms of neurological and/or immune system damage: epilepsy, seizure disorders, various kinds of palsies, autism, mental retardation, learning disabilities, juvenile-onset diabetes, asthma, vision / hearing loss, and a multitude of new conduct/behavior disorders. We have come to believe the hepatitis B vaccine is an assault on a newborns developing neurological and immune system. Vaccines are supposed to be making us healthier, however, in twenty five years of nursing I have never seen so many damaged, sick kids. Something very, very wrong is happening to our children. The census of ill children seen in our health rooms each day has increased by 300% in only four years. It had remained relatively constant in all the years before. In our last regional school nurse meeting we discussed whether the combination of so many viruses at one time (hepatitis B vaccine at the same time of the DPT, OPV and MMR) is causing the infants immune system to be overwhelmed and unable to mount a sufficient defense response. We are advocating clinical studies to determine: Is the combination of all these viruses at one time an assault on an infant's immune and neurological system that increases the chances for adverse reaction AND what are the long-term neurological and immune system responses to these vaccines. We are all continuing to research this issue and will be happy to share the many resources we have found with you. I hope you will do the same as you open up this issue. We (nurses, principals and teachers) have talked many times about the possible cause(s) of the continuing increase in pervasive developmental disorders (PDD), such as autism. From the literature we have found, we should expect a rate for PDD of about 1 in 10,000. In our community the rate in Kindergarten, 1st and 2nd grade is more like 1 in 150. The teaching staff is overwhelmed. As school nurses, we have had many parents calling and asking how they can exempt their children from the hepatitis B vaccination (HPB). Many of them have spent long hours in study and research perplexed over this issue. For the past six months we have been studying documents, books and research articles published by internationally respected doctors and scientists that cause us grave concern. You must understand that we began this study to reassure our parents and show them the truth about how safe vaccines are. Unfortunately, our sincere, honest, dedicated study has caused a complete reversal of our once strongly held beliefs. Instead of being able to reassure the parents, we have found ourselves being drawn deeper and deeper into this unbelievable controversy over vaccines that is raging among physicians, scientists, researchers, parents, and the government. We pray you will have the courage to shine the light on this controversy through these hepatitis B hearings. My daughter's own experience with the hepatitis B vaccine made me much more open-minded to the information we have been receiving from parents, teachers and other nurses in our community. I personally have had to research this on my own to determine if I have been enforcing a policy that is actually harming more children than it will ever help. I have spent countless hours reading books, vaccine-hearing testimony, research papers, medical journal articles and Internet web-sites from around the world. I did not come to my decision easily or lightly, I assure you. Twenty-five years of total belief in something does not shake that easily. I have repeated the well-rehearsed refrain "Be Wise & Immunize" thousands of times during those years and reassured countless parents that they were doing the right thing by vaccinating their precious children . . . even the ones who came to me with serious doubts and reservations. I will now have to live with that. We are all now faced with a moral dilemma: will we protect the "sacred cow of conventional vaccine philosophy" or will we stand up and speak out for the "health and well being of innocent children"? We choose children. We wonder, which will our government choose? Because the hepatitis B vaccine was developed for those at risk of disease, including IV drug users and sexually promiscuous individuals, efforts to require administration of the vaccine to most, if not all of the U.S. population is very controversial. The increasing number of adverse reaction reports connected with this vaccine exacerbates the controversy. The controversy stems to a great extent from our lack of understanding of the mechanisms of the immune response to the hepatitis B surface antigen and lack of long term follow-up of individuals who have received the vaccine. In a January 27, 1999 press release, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) released figures which show that the number of hepatitis B vaccine-associated serious adverse event and death reports in American children under the age of 14 outnumber the reported cases of hepatitis B disease. During our research we discovered a copy of the grant proposal submitted recently to the National Institute of Health by Dr. B. S. Dunbar, who has worked in autoimmunity and vaccine development for over twenty years and was honored two years ago by the National Institute of Health. Dr. Dunbar is working with a team of veteran vaccine researchers from all over the world. Their grant is requested for the purpose of studying the hypothesis that: hepatitis B recombinant vaccine does cause adverse autoimmune reactions in genetically susceptible individuals. This study will also provide new insights into the predictability of determining adverse side effects of the hepatitis B vaccine in individuals at risk as related to their histocompatability subtypes. Their study of auto-immune diseases/symptoms caused by the hepatitis B vaccine include: lupus erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis, vascular disorders, Guillain Barre syndrome, demyelinating disorders such as optic neuritis (blindness), Bell's palsy, demyelinating neuropathy (multiple developmental disorders), multiple sclerosis, diabetes mellitus and chronic fatigue syndrome to mention the most common. This group of internationally respected vaccine researchers headed up by Dr. Dunbar also point out that, "The studies (for the approval of HPB) were not designed to assess serious, rare adverse events; the total number of recipients were too small; and the follow-up was too short to detect rare or delayed, serious, adverse reactions." Finally they point out that "overall the number of examples of adverse neurologic outcomes following receipt of hepatitis B vaccine are of concern, particularly those resulting in demyelinating neurologic disease." They continue, "In view of these observations. . . it is medically crucial to evaluate the nature of the autoimmune reactions (i.e. risks) associated with the hepatitis B vaccine and to determine if individuals who will have these adverse reactions can be identified in advance of receiving the vaccine". There are critical questions that must be addressed to establish the risk/benefit of the current hepatitis B vaccines in the United States. These questions are particularly important in view of recent mandates to vaccinate all children including newborn infants." You may read this grant proposal at http://webpages.netlink.co.nz/~ias/dunbar.htm Many groups have called for a moratorium on hepatitis B vaccination until some of these questions can be answered adequately. The NVIC reported "Newborn babies are dying shortly after their shots and their deaths are being written off as sudden infant death syndrome. Parents should have the right to give their informed consent to vaccination and Congress should give emergency, priority funding to independent scientists, who can take an unbiased look at this vaccine, instead of leaving the search for truth in the hands of government officials who have already decided to force every child to get the vaccine". We agree completely. The NVIC can be contacted at http://www.909shot.com for further information. In Dr. Coulter's book, "Vaccination, Social Violence, and Criminality" the thesis is developed that the "sociopathic personality" which has emerged on a mass scale in recent decades; and which is responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime and violence;is causally linked to the childhood vaccination program. Vaccination frequently causes encephalitis and neuropathy that in turn leads to these post-encephalitic states and conditions. In his book, Dr. Coulter presents a time line of increase in developmental disability related to vaccine introduction that is indeed frightening. Dr. Coulter believes about 20% of our children are suffering from this neurological vaccine damage. We believe some of these vaccine experts should be on the President's Youth Violence task force. Our own school district's confidential health statistics show at least 20% of our children (K-3) have significant neurological damage and/or chronic illness. The last three years have shown an acceleration in the numbers of children who are entering our schools with these "developmental disorders". (Could these be the same infants who received the first trial doses of hepatitis B as only a few hour-old newborns?) As school nurses, working with these damaged children on a daily basis, we pray this is not true. If it is, the ramification to this generation of children is unthinkable! Should we not pause, call for a moratorium on these poorly tested, rapidly approved vaccines, and allow independent American physicians and researchers to study them before blindly injecting an experimental vaccine into an entire generation? (We have found the only ones declaring the vaccine's safety are the ones who are making millions of dollars from its sales, whose employment depends on it or the ones being funded by the drug companies vast number of grants and fundings. The independent researchers seem to be coming up with an entirely different report.) Vaccine producers have nothing to lose since our U.S. Congress has made them immune from responsibility or liability for injuries caused from their vaccines. The push is on for them to create more and more vaccines. There are huge amounts of money being made by these people who no longer worry about the consequences of their inadequate clinical trials. The United States government has had to pay out nearly a billion dollars in damages to families who can prove their children have been damaged or killed by vaccines, and there are thousands more cases pending. I just read that there are so many vaccine damage claims that Secretary Shalala changed the rules to try to limit adverse reaction claims. Could this be true? If so, shame on our government. We believe, as medical professionals, that we are doing a great disservice to our country by forcing government mandated vaccines on all children. Please research this and we pray you have the courage to speak out and tell the nation what you find. Sincerely, Patti White, RN School Health Services Coordinator Warrensburg R-VI School District Warrensburg Mo 64093 and Missouri Central District School Nurse Association -- ************************************************** ************* Karin Schumacher Vaccine Information & Awareness (VIA) 12799 La Tortola San Diego, CA 92129 619-484-3197 (phone/voicemail) 619-484-1187 (fax) (email) http://www.909shot.com (NVIC website) http://www.access1.net/via (VIA website) ************************************************** ************* We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice provided evidence that there are no causes for concern, but then others like Jan have given evidence that there *IS* cause for concern. To me, a study showing no cause for concern does not negate one showing cause for concern unless it specifically and fully addresses the reasons that are of concern. In case you haven't been paying attention the risk/benefit analysis falls on the side of vaccination. Sure some kids get to die, or have complications, but this number is far far smaller than results from non-vaccination. |
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Bryan Heit wrote: I notice you were very selective in the papers you posted - here's the other side of the story. The side that in your dishonesty, you chose not to present: lol... Right backatcha there, Byan. Once, again your insult is noted...as usual they always flow, when the *truth* is posted. I presented the *TRUTH*. Here is more. Came from guess where? http://movies.commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/ |
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You know, if you can't answer my question, then just don't post.
You're opinions are worthless to me. It's of no concern to me that you think my wanting to get to know my child before getting it injected with a foreign substance "doesn't come across well." To me, it doesn't come come across well that you would question such a simple idea. If you can't provide a valid answer to the question, then just keep quiet. Max. Mike McWilliams wrote: Max C. wrote: I've always been curious to know... could you explain to me why it is felt necessary to give the HepB vaccine on the day of birth? Why the rush? Shouldn't parents be given a chance to get to know their babies' personalities before giving such a questionable shot? Sure you've I'm not sure what you're getting at here but it doesn't come across well. provided evidence that there are no causes for concern, but then others like Jan have given evidence that there *IS* cause for concern. To me, a study showing no cause for concern does not negate one showing cause for concern unless it specifically and fully addresses the reasons that are of concern. In case you haven't been paying attention the risk/benefit analysis falls on the side of vaccination. Sure some kids get to die, or have complications, but this number is far far smaller than results from non-vaccination. |
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"Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... "At present, there are no data to conclude that childhood vaccines, and in particular hepatitis B vaccine, pose a serious health risk or justify a change in current immunization practice." In reference to the risks of vaccines in regards to autism, thimerasol, leukemia and macrophagic myofasciitis. Oh really, you just take any old study abstract that supports your belief and lob it over the net. Have one back David A Geier, Mark R Geier MD PhD. Chronic adverse reactions associated with hepatitis B vaccination. The Annals of Pharmacotherapy 2002: Vol. 36, No. 12, pp. 1970-1971. In conclusion, our study demonstrates that adult HBV is statistically associated not only with acute neuropathy, neuritis, myelitis, vasculitis, thrombocytopenia, gastrointestinal disease, multiple sclerosis, and arthritis, but some of these patients go on to develop chronic adverse reactions that persist for at least 1 year following HBV. These types of chronic adverse reactions following adult HBV should be discussed with patients contemplating being immunized with HBV and should be included in the differential diagnosis of those who develop them following adult HBV. "The total 24,775 VAERS hepatitis B reports from July 1990 to October 31, 1998 show 439 deaths and 9673 serious reactions involving emergency room visits, hospitalization, disablement or death.........The hep B adverse event cover-up is way bigger then the AHP diet-drug cover up."--Michael Belkin multiple sclerosis anyone? And at the end of the day macrophagic myofasciitis causes minor muscle pain and muscle fatigue. It's etiology (cause) is unknown, and is observed in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Even if it is directly caused by vaccination, who really cares? If given a choice between some minor pain verses polio, hepatitis, or any of the other multitude of diseases we vaccinate against, I'll take the muscle pain. Lets not forget - I, nor anyone else who is pro-vaccine, has ever claimed that vaccination is without risk. that is false, unless you call death 'safe'? The thing is, the risk and consequences of not being vaccinated far outweigh any known, or imagined risk. that is false, the vaccines aren't effective, just through stats http://www.whale.to/a/lie_effective.html as is easily proven with the first one, smallpox http://www.whale.to/vaccine/quotes10.html and you need to learn about nutritional medicine, obviously "Many viral infectious diseases have been cured and can continue to be cured by the proper administration of Vitamin C. Yes, the vaccinations for these treatable infectious diseases are completely unnecessary when one has the access to proper treatment with vitamin C. And, yes, all the side effects of vaccinations...are also completely unnecessary since the vaccinations do not have to be given in the first place with the availability of properly dosed vitamin C."---Dr Thomas Levy M.D., J.D. (Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins p30) http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html cheers |
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john wrote:
"Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... "At present, there are no data to conclude that childhood vaccines, and in particular hepatitis B vaccine, pose a serious health risk or justify a change in current immunization practice." In reference to the risks of vaccines in regards to autism, thimerasol, leukemia and macrophagic myofasciitis. Oh really, you just take any old study abstract that supports your belief and lob it over the net. Have one back David A Geier, Mark R Geier MD PhD. BWHAHAHAHAAHA! Frauds. |
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"Mike McWilliams" wrote in message ... Max C. wrote: I've always been curious to know... could you explain to me why it is felt necessary to give the HepB vaccine on the day of birth? Why the rush? Shouldn't parents be given a chance to get to know their babies' personalities before giving such a questionable shot? Sure you've I'm not sure what you're getting at here but it doesn't come across well. They give it at birth! Just incase your child is going to be an IV drug user, or sex fiend. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/point.html In case you haven't been paying attention the risk/benefit analysis falls on the side of vaccination. wishful thinking, called a rationalization http://www.whale.to/vaccine/rationalization_h.html Sure some kids get to die, or have complications, but this number is far far smaller than results from non-vaccination. You wish! AT LEAST 26 families claim their children died as a result of the controversial measles, mumps and rubella jab, the Sunday Express can reveal. http://www.whale.to/v/mmr101.html And measles is safe in well managed kids. "Under normal conditions, healthy children do not die from or become disabled from the complications of measles and if they do, questions should be asked about their management." ---Jayne Donegan MB http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html |
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