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128 students suspended at Ind. school
wrote in message oups.com... No pajamas. That's really funny. Doesn't everyone have the dream of going to school naked or with their pyjamas on? LOL Jen |
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Jeff wrote:
"nimue" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060827/..._st/dress_code 128 students suspended at Ind. school Classrooms were a little less crowded at Morton High School on the first day of classes: 128 students were sent home for wearing the wrong clothes. Fed up with inappropriate outfits, the principal suspended the students for one day Wednesday, minutes after doors opened at the school. Those suspended represent more than 10 percent of the 1,200 total students. The offending attire - including baggy pants, low-cut shirts, tank tops and graphic T-shirts - are banned from classrooms. Students were also cited for cell phone use. Cell phones shouldn't be used during class, except for rare emergencies (e.g., a parent is in Iraq and can't control when she or he can call the child). I think a dress code is very good. However, for it to be useful it has to be enforced. It is difficult to enforce a dress code without sending a child home to change. This brings with it legal liability -- if the school sends the kid home and the kid gets hurt on the way, the school is liable. I also don't like the idea of a kid missing class just so she can change her skirt. I would rather have her in class. That's the battle I am fighting -- getting the kids into class. The principal did a good job. She has to pick her battles. That is not a battle I would ever pick. Jeff snip -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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Banty wrote:
In article , nimue says... Tori M wrote: I found it to be distracting to be in classes with kids wearing CoEd Naked shirts (until the school figured them out lol) This was also the "start" of the baggy jeans to your ankles pants.. kids yanking them up all the time. I dont want to see anyones undies. I dont see what the big deal is of wearing Jeans that fit and then going home and changing and expressing themselves on their own time. Some people might be suprised at how nice it is to walk without your pants falling off all the time. I think it is absolutely ridiculous to suspend kids who violate the dress code. Hello? The kids need to go to class to learn. We should not punish kids by taking away their opportunity and responsibility to learn. That is utterly counter-productive. Give the kids detention if you must, just don't take them out of class for violating a dress code. They need to know that going to class and getting an education takes priority over nearly everything. OK - so you object to the punishment and not the rule? I agree that suspension is a pretty unimaginative way to deal with it. Counter-productive, too. So, how about in-house detention, I would be okay with after-school detention. I don't want the kids missing class. and in black slacks and white shirts as required wear. Are you saying the kids would have to change their clothes for detention? Heck no. The logistics of that are dreadful. Furthermore, we cannot, in NYC, do anything that could be remotely construed as humiliating the kids. A teacher can lose his license for that. IF the parents can't support that (and run out and get the clothes), then their true value on education would be apparent. It would make the point, and the clothes would add the embarassment factor that would make the point to the kids in question. Would you go along with that? Banty -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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Jen wrote:
"nimue" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060827/..._st/dress_code 128 students suspended at Ind. school Classrooms were a little less crowded at Morton High School on the first day of classes: 128 students were sent home for wearing the wrong clothes. Why not a proper uniform, with a range of things to cover lots of tastes and individuality, but not turning it into a fashion show. Jen Well, in NYC the public schools cannot mandate uniforms. Even if we could, I don't know if I think they are such a good idea. -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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Jen wrote: "nimue" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060827/..._st/dress_code 128 students suspended at Ind. school Classrooms were a little less crowded at Morton High School on the first day of classes: 128 students were sent home for wearing the wrong clothes. Why not a proper uniform, with a range of things to cover lots of tastes and individuality, but not turning it into a fashion show. Because with a uniform that parents have to go out and buy their kids an entire new wardrobe just for school? (And if the 'range' is broad enough to cover a wide enough range, it's no longer a uniform, but a dress code.) I applaud the principle for sticking to her guns. The parents were sent letters over the summer informing them of the dress code. There was no excuse for the kids showing up on the first day improperly dressed. THe principle made it clear that the rules WILL be followed. Big deal. Trust me, that woman cannot consistently suspend large numbers of students and kids (they are kids, after all) will push those boundaries. I do not support anything that removes a kid from class. Give the kids detention but do not remove them from class unless they have committed some act of violence. Why don't people get this? Punishing kids by taking away their time in class helps no one and hurts the kids and the school. (Though I suspect that in future the results of incorrect dress will be more like those in my daughter's school -- the kids will be made to change their clothes.) Naomi Jen -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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Banty wrote:
snip Oh, I agree with that. But I have yet to hear a good argument that uniforms are actually harmful or unreasonable, even if I'm likewise convinced they're not necessary. Ask a member of a garment workers union, or someone who owns an Old Navy or Abercrombie and Fitch. Banty -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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Jeff wrote:
"Banty" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... nimue wrote: Teenagers want to be able to express themselves through their clothing. I have no problem with that. I don't want to squash their individuality. I don't want to control every aspect of their lives. I just want them IN CLASS. Let them have their high school fun; the real world will come along soon enough. School IS the real world. It is the job of 14-18 year olds. And of course they can express their individuality through clothing. THere are score of options that they can wear that meet the dress code. Now, if their 'individuality' requires that they go to school 3/4's naked, or dressed in gang-wear, perhaps their career goals lean towards exotic dancer or drug dealer ... and neither of those requires a high school diploma. Few teens actually dress to express their individuality. Quite the opposite. They dress for peer group identification. That is their identity. Not that that's necessarily all bad, but it's not this vaunted project in self-actualization that an enlightened institution needs to respect, either. It can darn well happen during non-school hours, or in more subtle ways within a dress code. Depends on the dress code. But even if they code requires black shoes, they can choose the brand and style, to suit their needs. Same things with ties and shirts. And not all dress codes are strick. Apparently, the dress code that the OP referenced just required that certain areas of the body be covered and nothing offensive be on the clothing. And, that teens keep their cell phones off (that's not part of the dress, however - but there were problems with this, as well). What do you think about kid not being allowed to have cell phones in school at all? That is a big issue in NYC right now. Mayor Bloomberg wantst to enforce the ban on cell phones in school. I think that is ridiculous. Some of the kids have commutes of an hour or more on the subway. Some live in bad neighborhoods. I think kids should be allowed to have cell phones in school. They shouldn't use them, of course, but they shouldbe allowed to have them. Jeff Banty -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5222154.stm -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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Jeff wrote: "Banty" wrote in message Depends on the dress code. But even if they code requires black shoes, they can choose the brand and style, to suit their needs. Same things with ties and shirts. And not all dress codes are strick. Apparently, the dress code that the OP referenced just required that certain areas of the body be covered and nothing offensive be on the clothing. And, that teens keep their cell phones off (that's not part of the dress, however - but there were problems with this, as well). Right. The dress code sounds very similar to the one at our local schools. Which includes: no offensive/drug related slogans on shirts; Fine, but what is offensive? Is a "Question Authority" t-shirt offensive? What about one with an anarchy symbol? skirts and shorts have to be longer than the tips of the fingers held at the sides; girls can wear sleeveless shirts if the straps are (IIRC) at least two fingers wide and the shirt is cut high enough under the arms to cover the bra; boys have to have sleeves. (Not sure why the discrepancy.). No bare midriffs or backs (shirts have to be long enough to tuck in), Oh, good lord. That is ridiculous. I, like many women, never wear shirts you have to tuck in. and pants have to be high enough to cover the underwear. Nothing transparent or very low cut. Define low cut. Then make sure everyone agrees with that definition, because they don't. No hats or bandanas or heavy coats. Uh, what if it's cold? (Religious headcoverings are exempt.) No pajamas. And nothing likely to damage school property. (Cleats on shoes or hard metal trimmings on clothing.) The code concludes with something like "If in doubt, don't wear it." Look, there are some good ideas here, but when you try to enforce this, you will find that members of the school staff interpret these rules differently. I guess my main point is I don't want anyone missing class because her shirt is low cut. Still plenty of room there for 'individual expression.' Oh, and cell phones have to be off during school hours. That sounds reasonable. In NYC, the kids aren't allowed to have cell phones at all. Last spring, the cops did sweeps in schools and netted hundreds of cell phones. I thought it was a ridiculous and offensive waste of time. Jeff Banty -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5222154.stm -- nimue "As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books than I have read." Betty Bowers English is our friend. We don't have to fight it. Oprah |
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