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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... There is this place called fantasy land. In fantasy land conventional doctors never make medical mistakes. In Mark's world, health insurance companies keep paying naturopathic doctors keep even though they do NO good. Why don't these consumer fraud news reporters ever report this? Did you ever try asking a naturopathic doctor for references from their patients, Mark? How about peer-reviewed evidence that naturopathic works? Most diseases are self limited, like colds. By the time you do something for them, whatever you do looks like it works, even though you got better on your own. (...) Jeff |
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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... There is this place called fantasy land. Now I know where you post from. In fantasy land conventional doctors never make medical mistakes. Strawman. NO ONE has ever said that. Again, you resort to a fallacy. In Mark's world, health insurance companies keep paying naturopathic doctors keep even though they do NO good. Why don't these consumer fraud news reporters ever report this? Did you ever try asking a naturopathic doctor for references from their patients, Mark? No, since I assume that they would only give me references from those that were "cured". Note that many conditions are self curing. Anecdote and testimonial are not synonyms for facts. Speaking of name calling, I seem to recall somebody calling naturopathic doctors witch doctors. Is that brave? Calling educated people names when they are not here to defend themselves. Calling them witch doctors is not specifically referring to you. If I were to call you names, I would call you a naive moron who could not use logic to reason 2+2. However, since I am not calling you names, I did not call you anything. I trust that even you can see the difference. I noticed that you had to rely on a story that somebody told you. Let me tell you a story from my personal experience. No, I am not relying on a story that someone told me. I am relying on observation of this man having necrotic skin being removed from his feet every day. As a child I had a chronic fatigue problem. I saw several doctors. They could not figure out what the problem was, so I had to get on with life anyway. In my 20's I started getting bad hayfever. I took hayfever medicine. In my 30's I got severe joint pain. I also had gastrointestinal problems. My conventional doctors didn't have a clue. One day while in the supermarket, I read a magazine article about hidden food allergies. I found out that I was sensitive to corn (corn starch, corn syrup, etc.) and dairy products. I had to stop eating most processed foods because they often contain ingredients made from corn. I now buy most of my food from health food stores. Then I found out that if I had seen a naturopathic doctor I would have found out about my hidden food allergies years ago. Naturopathic doctors look for hidden food allergies. My energy level started to skyrocket. My joint pain started to disappear. My hayfever started to disappear, and my gastrointestinal problems are improving. I don't know about your friend, Mark. Did he check the license of the naturopathic doctor? How do you know if he followed the doctors orders? Maybe he has a grudge against naturopathic doctors for another reason? Why can't I know that conventional doctors secretly see naturopathic doctors? If the naturopathic doctors don't release their names, what difference does it make? You made a claim which you cannot back up. "We" know what that is. |
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Why would anybody go to a naturopathic doctor in the first place if
conventional doctors could take care of their condition? Naturopathic doctors don't just treat ONE condition. Health insurance companies would not continue to pay naturopathic doctors if they didn't feel they were worth it. Brad_Chad |
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When I said that conventional doctors never make mistakes I was being
sarcastic. Most "normal" people could understand my point. Why don't the people who have bad experiences with naturopathic doctors report this situation to news organizations? You get respect when you give respect. There was no need for you to disrespect ANYONE. I consider it disrespectful when you first started using a condescending and demeaning tone with me. There was no need for you to disrespect naturopathic doctors. What goes around, comes around. I threw back at you what you threw at others. If you throw a stone at me, I will throw two stones at you. You may not think that it is fair, but you wouldn't have to worry if you don't throw the first stone. Again, you were relying on what somebody told you. You don't know if they left out facts or if they exaggerated details. You don't know if they have a personal agenda against naturopathic doctors. Are you capable of seeing the difference between something personal and something experienced second hand. I told you of my PERSONAL experience with a naturopathic doctor. Brad_Chad |
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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message ups.com... Why would anybody go to a naturopathic doctor in the first place if conventional doctors could take care of their condition? Gullibility. Fear of some treatment, e.g. chemotherapy, radiation, daily insulin injections, etc. Lack of knowledge. Naturopathic doctors don't just treat ONE condition. Health insurance companies would not continue to pay naturopathic doctors if they didn't feel they were worth it. How many health insurance companies do actually pay for this? |
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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... When I said that conventional doctors never make mistakes I was being sarcastic. Most "normal" people could understand my point. Your sarcasm was not evident on the page. Most normal people use this: sarcasm mode on sarcasm mode off Your cheap shot is once again noted. Why don't the people who have bad experiences with naturopathic doctors report this situation to news organizations? There have been several cases of this happening. In m.h.a. there was a posting of articles showing that one witch doctor was responsible for two deaths. Here's another two: http://www.naturowatch.org/legal/oconnell.shtml http://www.naturowatch.org/legal/fenn.html Your premise is destroyed. You get respect when you give respect. There was no need for you to disrespect ANYONE. I consider it disrespectful when you first started using a condescending and demeaning tone with me. You have the sequence backwards. There was no need for you to disrespect naturopathic doctors. Disagree. I have no respect for a "profession" which I consider inherently fraudulent. What goes around, comes around. I threw back at you what you threw at others. If you throw a stone at me, I will throw two stones at you. You may not think that it is fair, but you wouldn't have to worry if you don't throw the first stone. Backwards sequence. Again, you were relying on what somebody told you. You don't know if they left out facts or if they exaggerated details. You don't know if they have a personal agenda against naturopathic doctors. The man said he saw the nd for months. Why would he lie? Are you capable of seeing the difference between something personal and something experienced second hand. I told you of my PERSONAL experience with a naturopathic doctor. |
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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message ups.com... Why would anybody go to a naturopathic doctor in the first place if conventional doctors could take care of their condition? Why would anyone go to a conventional doctor if naturopathic doctors could take care of their condition? Unfortunately, life doesn't work so that all you have to do is go to a doctor, take a magical pill, and everything is better. Some diseases can be treated, but not cured. And some diseases can't be treated. The reason why some people go to naturopathic doctors is that there aren't answers to certain problems. And people will try anything, espeically if they beleive the false claims of the naturopaths. Naturopathic doctors don't just treat ONE condition. Conventional doctors treat patients, often with many conditions. Health insurance companies would not continue to pay naturopathic doctors if they didn't feel they were worth it. Health insurance companies cover treatments because the people who pay them want the coverage. The coverage (and whether it is worth it for the health insurance companies) has nothing to do with whether or not the treatment works. Jeff Brad_Chad |
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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... When I said that conventional doctors never make mistakes I was being sarcastic. Most "normal" people could understand my point. Why don't the people who have bad experiences with naturopathic doctors report this situation to news organizations? Maybe because they are so embarassed for going to a quack in the first place. You get respect when you give respect. There was no need for you to disrespect ANYONE. I consider it disrespectful when you first started using a condescending and demeaning tone with me. There was no need for you to disrespect naturopathic doctors. Naturopaths are quacks. What goes around, comes around. I threw back at you what you threw at others. If you throw a stone at me, I will throw two stones at you. You may not think that it is fair, but you wouldn't have to worry if you don't throw the first stone. Again, you were relying on what somebody told you. You don't know if they left out facts or if they exaggerated details. You don't know if they have a personal agenda against naturopathic doctors. Are you capable of seeing the difference between something personal and something experienced second hand. I told you of my PERSONAL experience with a naturopathic doctor. Brad_Chad |
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You never cease to amaze me. You dig up some articles about an
UNLICENSED naturopathic doctor and somebody in Australia. I don't even know the licensing requirements in Australia. I really don't care. I'm in the United States of America. What do you have about naturopathic doctors as a WHOLE. There are thousands of them. Would it be fair for me to single out individual conventional doctors? Especially ones who are UNLICENSED. Where are the thousands of people protesting and complaining about bad experiences with naturopathic doctors? Naturopathic doctors have UNIVERSITIES. It is not a profession in hiding. My naturopathic doctor has a big sign outside her office. She is in the yellow pages. She has a website. She is not in a back alley. Brad_Chad |
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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... You never cease to amaze me. You dig up some articles about an UNLICENSED naturopathic doctor and somebody in Australia. I don't even know the licensing requirements in Australia. I really don't care. I'm in the United States of America. What do you have about naturopathic doctors as a WHOLE. There are thousands of them. Would it be fair for me to single out individual conventional doctors? Especially ones who are UNLICENSED. Where are the thousands of people protesting and complaining about bad experiences with naturopathic doctors? Naturopathic doctors have UNIVERSITIES. It is not a profession in hiding. My naturopathic doctor has a big sign outside her office. She is in the yellow pages. She has a website. She is not in a back alley. Being in the yellow pages or having a website does not a good doctor make. And naturopaths are quacks. http://www.naturowatch.org/ Brad_Chad |
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