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Every child wanted
If you conceive a way to assure every child is wanted and loved you're a
genius. If you think that the family court would allow you to disseminate that knowledge you're crazy. There are two things, I think, that would change the current sad state of affairs to something more equitable and just. In fact, because the change would be so drastic these things have either been held back from serious consideration or from serious research. The first is mandatory DNA testing at birth. This is such a simple and sensible approach to eliminating paternity fraud and is something that because the primary potential beneficiaries would be men, is going to be decades in the making. The idea of reducing options for women is so politically incorrect that even the "best interests of the child" pale before it. The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male birth control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the making,(although it's finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet to see it on the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has the potential to reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from women and gives it to men. Men should be clamoring for the release of the pill. I find it amusing when women say,(about men taking their pill), "I wouldn't trust a man to take his pill. It's not like he would get pregnant". No, only the woman has to go through all the physical changes that accompany pregnancy and childbirth for about 9 months. And that's if they don't avail themselves to the myriad of options open to women only. As things are a man can only wait to see what the women is going to choose to see how it is going to affect the rest of his life, not just 9 months. And if women are truly concerned that a man couldn't be trusted to take the pill this is not a bad thing, if it will keep women taking their own birth control as well. Then what are the chances of an unwanted pregnancy? Just think of it, what are the chances of a guy "oopsing" a woman? That women "oops" men with an alarming frequency is a very sad fact. In fact I think it's the idea of taking the responsibility for birth control out of women's hands that is the biggest reason for the lack of male pills. I believe that men would not just welcome male birth control pills, but that they would embrace them with such enthusiasm that the pharmaceutical companies would be hard pressed to keep up with demand at first. In fact, I can see NOW and their ilk rallying against male birth control using the argument that the birth rates are rapidly declining, (with 6 billion people on this planet I wouldn't concern myself until it got down to oh say, 2 billion people). While anyone involved in the family courts would oppose it based on the fact that they would begin to lose their cash cow of men paying child support. The advent of the male birth control pill is so huge that there will be repercussions radiating throughout every facet of the government, the economy and even the social strata. So when will we see male birth control pills or routine DNA testing? Two approaches that are exquisite in their simplicity, but that benefit men primarily. Only when women find a way to use them to their advantage. Women not only have all the options before, during and after pregnancy but perhaps they are holding up the future options as well? ~AZ~ |
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Please post the source of your information about male birth control pills.
And please be specific. Thanks. Brad "AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... .... The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male birth control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the making,(although it's finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet to see it on the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has the potential to reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from women and gives it to men. Men should be clamoring for the release of the pill. .... ~AZ~ |
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I'm getting mine tomorrow. I wouldn't trust a pill anyway, not on something
this important. Tomorrow I'm taking the day off to get my nuts chopped. Scared to death, but more scared of going though this mess all over again. For anyone that has looked into this, it's not a fun thing to go through. The doc says it's not so bad, and he got snipped himself, but I don't care, anytime you put a knife by the jewels, it can't be considered a happy time. They make you shave too, so I'm sure the itching will creep in sometime next week. My package looks like Dr. Phil's head. I'll be sure to post the details tomorrow night to let you know how bad it is, but I would be wary of the pills. -Drew "Brad" wrote in message .. . Please post the source of your information about male birth control pills. And please be specific. Thanks. Brad "AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... ... The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male birth control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the making,(although it's finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet to see it on the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has the potential to reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from women and gives it to men. Men should be clamoring for the release of the pill. ... ~AZ~ |
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The nutectomy will only keep you from getting someone pregnant. It won't
save you from a woman who names you as father of her child, but "doesn't know where you are." The DA won't try to find you, and a default judgment will be made against you. You'll get the tab after it's added up for a while, and it will be too late for DNA. Have a nice day. Brad PS: Please don't post any images of your operation. "Father Drew" wrote in message news:%GPKa.172090$eJ2.107604@fed1read07... I'm getting mine tomorrow. I wouldn't trust a pill anyway, not on something this important. Tomorrow I'm taking the day off to get my nuts chopped. Scared to death, but more scared of going though this mess all over again. For anyone that has looked into this, it's not a fun thing to go through. The doc says it's not so bad, and he got snipped himself, but I don't care, anytime you put a knife by the jewels, it can't be considered a happy time. They make you shave too, so I'm sure the itching will creep in sometime next week. My package looks like Dr. Phil's head. I'll be sure to post the details tomorrow night to let you know how bad it is, but I would be wary of the pills. -Drew "Brad" wrote in message .. . Please post the source of your information about male birth control pills. And please be specific. Thanks. Brad "AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... ... The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male birth control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the making,(although it's finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet to see it on the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has the potential to reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from women and gives it to men. Men should be clamoring for the release of the pill. ... ~AZ~ |
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Hahaha, no images? I'll spare you the visuals Brad.
You are wrong about the DNA, at least in AZ. There is only a year to contest if I remarry and a kid is born, but of course I would contest if I was dumb enough to remarry, especially knowing my little walletts don't swim anymore. As for a girlfriend getting pregnate, I would love to be brought into court to fight it. The first step is paternity establishment. Obviously I will pass that, then file for sanctions if I incurred any cost for the DNA test, not to mention any time off from work, pain and suffering ect. I'm not worried. -Drew "Brad" wrote in message .. . The nutectomy will only keep you from getting someone pregnant. It won't save you from a woman who names you as father of her child, but "doesn't know where you are." The DA won't try to find you, and a default judgment will be made against you. You'll get the tab after it's added up for a while, and it will be too late for DNA. Have a nice day. Brad PS: Please don't post any images of your operation. "Father Drew" wrote in message news:%GPKa.172090$eJ2.107604@fed1read07... I'm getting mine tomorrow. I wouldn't trust a pill anyway, not on something this important. Tomorrow I'm taking the day off to get my nuts chopped. Scared to death, but more scared of going though this mess all over again. For anyone that has looked into this, it's not a fun thing to go through. The doc says it's not so bad, and he got snipped himself, but I don't care, anytime you put a knife by the jewels, it can't be considered a happy time. They make you shave too, so I'm sure the itching will creep in sometime next week. My package looks like Dr. Phil's head. I'll be sure to post the details tomorrow night to let you know how bad it is, but I would be wary of the pills. -Drew "Brad" wrote in message .. . Please post the source of your information about male birth control pills. And please be specific. Thanks. Brad "AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... ... The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male birth control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the making,(although it's finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet to see it on the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has the potential to reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from women and gives it to men. Men should be clamoring for the release of the pill. ... ~AZ~ |
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AZ Astrea wrote:
If you conceive a way to assure every child is wanted and loved you're a genius. If you think that the family court would allow you to disseminate that knowledge you're crazy. Your objective is good. I believe that family courts wouldn't necessarily oppose your objective. But they would oppose specific measures which would contribute to it, because they would not rate your objective as important as other things. I'll go further below. By the way, I live in the UK, so what I say may not apply elsewhere. There are two things, I think, that would change the current sad state of affairs to something more equitable and just. In fact, because the change would be so drastic these things have either been held back from serious consideration or from serious research. The first is mandatory DNA testing at birth. This is such a simple and sensible approach to eliminating paternity fraud and is something that because the primary potential beneficiaries would be men, is going to be decades in the making. The idea of reducing options for women is so politically incorrect that even the "best interests of the child" pale before it. Currently I'm not convinced about mandatory testing. It sounds like state intrusion into private morality, it might have significant cost, and might deter some women from seeking suitable health care at birth - they might try to "go it alone". But I don't have a rigid objection to this - I just feel very uncomfortable with it. I do favour ready access to home testing kits for paternity testing, including motherless kits. Unfortunately, in the UK (and Australia) there are moves by some politicians and others to ban such services and/or criminalise the use of them without the mother's permission. (I started another thread on that topic). I have written 2 papers on the topic of paternity testing & eliminating "surprising paternity", and submitted them to the UK's Human Genetics Commission. They are available, both as online versions and Word versions, at the following URL (look for "The Truth is out there" and "Knowledge is bliss"): http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.u...and_papers.htm I have tried to make the case that it is ethically right for men & children to be able to determine paternity without the mother being involved. Increasingly courts are accepting (at least in the UK and Europe as a whole) that children have the right to knowledge of their paternity, even if the mother doesn't agree. The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male birth control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the making,(although it's finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet to see it on the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has the potential to reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from women and gives it to men. Men should be clamoring for the release of the pill. [snip] This is an important site: http://www.malecontraceptives.org/ I have a lot of discussion of the above topics, reached from: http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.u...behaviours.htm It includes links to surveys on whether women favour men having such contraceptives. Many do, while others wouldn't trust men to use them but wouldn't object. Few women say that men shouldn't have them - but perhaps some women think that but just don't say it. I believe that the so-called male pill has not reached the stage you claim. It is a long way, for example, from being submitted to the FDA. But there are other interesting possibilities. One is RISUG. It comes from India, where it has passed its trials. The doctor who introduced scalpel-less vasectomies into Canada wants to introduce this into Canada, but told me it would probably be 5 years or more. I believe people should be lobbying hard for these next generation of male contraceptives (all kinds). But I have also detected a backlash from some men, who say the answer is not better contraception for men, it is C4M. I believe there are those who believe that better male contracetives for men would remove any last hope of C4M. -- Barry Pearson http://www.Barry.Pearson.name/photography/ http://www.ChildSupportAnalysis.co.uk/ |
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Brad wrote:
Please post the source of your information about male birth control pills. And please be specific. I have a few pages on the topic at the following: http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.u...n_overview.htm http://tinyurl.com/feqy This is an important site: http://www.malecontraceptives.org/ "AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... ... The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male birth control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the making,(although it's finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet to see it on the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has the potential to reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from women and gives it to men. Men should be clamoring for the release of the pill. -- Barry Pearson http://www.Barry.Pearson.name/photography/ http://www.ChildSupportAnalysis.co.uk/ |
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"Father Drew" wrote in message news:%GPKa.172090$eJ2.107604@fed1read07... I'm getting mine tomorrow. I wouldn't trust a pill anyway, not on something this important. Tomorrow I'm taking the day off to get my nuts chopped. Scared to death, but more scared of going though this mess all over again. For anyone that has looked into this, it's not a fun thing to go through. The doc says it's not so bad, and he got snipped himself, but I don't care, anytime you put a knife by the jewels, it can't be considered a happy time. They make you shave too, so I'm sure the itching will creep in sometime next week. My package looks like Dr. Phil's head. I'll be sure to post the details tomorrow night to let you know how bad it is, but I would be wary of the pills. -Drew It ain't all that bad. There will likely be some bruising due to the increased vascularity in that region and it may extend down your legs as well (your scrotum *will* be purple, it's quite decorative, actually ). The actual procedure is relatively painless, even the initial needle sticks are well within my range of acceptable pains, and I hate shots. The only caveat is that the doctor use ample anesthetic (mine didn't, but my acquaintances assure me theirs did). Take a movie home with you and try to sleep, as best you can with an iceberg on your groin. Of the men I've known having this procedure, one other and myself have had some acute residual pains. Because it was always associated with the snipped vas, the pain was in the abdominal cavity, not in the scrotum. (The vas takes a long trip to the prostate). Oh, and in case no one told you, you won't be sterile for several weeks due to the accumulated sperm along the path from the actual cut in the vas to the urethra. Get a sperm count done after about a month and yearly or semi-annually, thereafter. I've never regretted it after 12 years. Phil #3 "Brad" wrote in message .. . Please post the source of your information about male birth control pills. And please be specific. Thanks. Brad "AZ Astrea" wrote in message ... ... The second, and in my opinion most important one, is the male birth control pill. It has been decades supposedly in the making,(although it's finally been done, and with 100% effectiveness, but we have yet to see it on the market), but because it is 100% effective, it again has the potential to reduce paternity fraud and takes an option away from women and gives it to men. Men should be clamoring for the release of the pill. ... ~AZ~ |
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"Father Drew" wrote
I'm getting mine tomorrow. I wouldn't trust a pill anyway, not on something this important. Tomorrow I'm taking the day off to get my nuts chopped. Scared to death, but more scared of going though this mess all over again. For anyone that has looked into this, it's not a fun thing to go through. The doc says it's not so bad, and he got snipped himself, but I don't care, anytime you put a knife by the jewels, it can't be considered a happy time. They make you shave too, so I'm sure the itching will creep in sometime next week. My package looks like Dr. Phil's head. I'll be sure to post the details tomorrow night to let you know how bad it is, but I would be wary of the pills. By the time you see this, it'll be done, but I can say it really isn't that big of a deal. Yes, it's uncomfortable, but it doesn't hurt. I was sore and moved slowly for about a day, but after that was fine. |
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"AZ Astrea" wrote in message
... If you conceive a way to assure every child is wanted and loved you're a genius. If you think that the family court would allow you to disseminate that knowledge you're crazy. [snipped] Mandatory DNA tests and the male birth control pill will *not* give every child what they want. Even planned children are left out in the cold in terms of love from their parents. If you really look at children which are deprived of love from their parents - no matter if the lack of love is from divorce or otherwise - those two items you mention will not solve nothing. Determining *who* is the child's father won't guarantee to a child they will be loved. Providing men a birth control pill won't guarantee to a child they will be loved. The only way you can guarantee that love is to provide a change of attitude overall - across all people. That is impossible. Don't *use* children as an excuse to push for mandatory DNA testing and a male birth control pill. Don't do what NOW, and other feminist-extremist, has done. The current system is NOT for the child. The current system is for the "parents". Adding more to it will not fix it... nor will it provide any love for the child. Big deal - the child will know *who* daddy is, or who daddy is not. It won't provide love. Tracy ~~~~~~~ http://www.hornschuch.net/tracy/ "You can't solve problems with the same type of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein *** spamguard in place! to email me: tracy at hornschuch dot net *** |
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