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"Cele" wrote in message news On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:33:34 -0400, "Lisa" wrote: [excellent post snipped for brevity] You know what? There's a program on the cable networks called "Out of Order" . Try watching it with an open mind. The story is about a husband and wife writing team, the character of the wife is clinically depressed. Pretty frickin real depiction of what it's like living with someone that is clinically depressed. Lisa Well said, Lisa. I'm glad I came home to this thread already developed, and your post already here, even if I did post before I read the whole thing. I was just too damned ticked to deal with it as well as you did. Nice work. thanks. Cele lol Cele, I walked away first Lisa |
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Tell you what. If there was a 'quick fix' for my kid, who is on antidepressants, I'd use it in a minute. In a heartbeat. In a flash Me too. Joelle The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St Augustine Joelle |
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:25:50 -0400, "Tiffany"
wrote: "Cele" wrote in message news On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:13:01 -0400, "Tiffany" wrote: As for the hike in prescribed anti-depressants..... even in teens.... we are in a society that is looking for a quick fix. Though I know that those meds CAN help, what helps the most in the long run in therapy in one form or another. When someone tells me they are on anti-depressants, I like to ask them how long they have been on the med. Sometimes its years. But they are still depressed. Think about it. Whoa. First of all, virtually every credible source, when asked, will tell you that a combination of meds and therapy are better for most people than either alone. Meds and therapy alone have similar success rates. It is categorically not true that therapy "helps the most" for depression. This should surprise no one, given that research is increasingly demonstrating a strong biological component to the affective disorders. This means that chemistry rather than poor skills or willpower plays the greater part in mood difficulties. http://www.aafp.org/afp/991201ap/tips/20.html http://articles.findarticles.com/p/a...60/ai_58252693 I did already acknowledge that point in Joelle's post. Fine. I hadn't read the thread at the time. I responded to the posts in the order they were presented. Glad you understand that biology has a role. Your tone suggested otherwise. I also never said that someone should not take meds at all. But in your above statement you said that med and therapy alone have similar success rates to the combo. of meds and therapy. You misunderstand. Meds and therapy in combo are better than either meds alone or therapy alone. This is well known, and speaks to the fact that depression is not about bad choices. I am not arguing what is better or not. That's good. I'm not sure what you'd base your arguments on. My point has been the dangers of meds that most aren't aware of due to the trickery business of pharmaceuticals. Odd. That's not the point the following appears to make: As for the hike in prescribed anti-depressants..... even in teens.... we are in a society that is looking for a quick fix. Though I know that those meds CAN help, what helps the most in the long run in therapy in one form or another. When someone tells me they are on anti-depressants, I like to ask them how long they have been on the med. Sometimes its years. But they are still depressed. Think about it. That appears to be passing judgement on people for using antidepressants, to me. Nowhere is the pharmaceutical industry mentioned. That said, every time either I or one of my children have been prescribed any medication for any reason, we've been informed of any risks. I know, because I cross check. Also, when I fill the prescription, the pharmacist never fails to give me a printout detailing risks, benefits, usual uses of the medication, and side effects, including when to call the doctor. Maybe you need to change health care professionals. As for people still being depressed, while on antidepressants, I think it highly unlikely that those who are *not* still depressed would be talking about it, especially if they can expect to be met with an attitude that suggests that depression is the result of a need for a 'quick fix'. Affective disorder has been strongly linked to clear biological and neurological alterations. This is scientific fact. When someone takes insulin to treat the biological condition of diabetes, nobody accuses them of looking for a 'quick fix'. Yet when someone takes medication to treat a neurobiological condition, the stigma is unbelievable. Tell you what. If there was a 'quick fix' for my kid, who is on antidepressants, I'd use it in a minute. In a heartbeat. In a flash. I would LOVE to see my daughter well and healthy as the result of a quick fix. Unfortunately for her, antidepressants, inpatient treatment, outpatient therapy, love and support from her family, and most of all, raw determination to be whole and healthy, are all part of her healing process. But damn. If I could get a 'quick fix', I'd do it. Right now. Cele Your daughter's situation is not the normal. She has been through something very traumatic. Something like that will take years and years to heal from. Do you think that other people on antidepressants have all lived lives on pathways strewn with flowers, or do you think that some of them might have been through really hard times as well? Cele |
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