(OT) THE ALMIGHTY EFF WORD

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We've got him until Sunday and I hate to make this into a big
issue,
but
at 11 years old, I'm concerned that his language is so sour.

PLEASE, any thoughts??


Your house, your rules, period. If the kid doesn't like it, tough.
Let
his
parents know. Better yet ask him if his parents are aware of his
filthy
mouth, and if they are all working with him on his problem.

This is arguable as being any better, but what me and my son do (8
yrs)
in
our house is use substitute phrases. For example, when the sharks
in
Zelda:WW circle you around your boat and continually knock you out
before
you can get any shots off (VERY ANNOYING), we find it very
satisfying to
be
able to shout something in our frustration. So we say stuff like
(in
all
seriousness), "What the hump!" or "Son of UUHHH!!!!!" or "Stay
the
hump
in the frikin boat you lame ASSprin peice of Shh-aving cream!"

And were literally fuming, but it feels so good to vent out the
frustration.
And it doesn't nearly sound as vile as the _real_ words. Although
if
his
grandmother were to be ther visiting, I'm sure she would still
cringe
and be
offended. I, am actually offended by explitives. But the
substitutes
are
soooo useful, and don't offend me in my own house.

Maybe you could persuade your nephew to give it a try? Heck, maybe
the
kids
at his school would think him kind of novel and it might rubb off on
them.


Well, I have to interject by saying that our nephew does not have a
filthy
mouth nor is he a problem kid. He's a very athletic young man who
shows
more respect to his grandma than most of my friends show to their
wives.

When Daph told me what happened, I wasn't too worried about it.

When I heard him swearing later - which I've never heard this kid
swear
in his entire life - I was pretty surprised, and I told her that we
needed
to
probably pull him away from the game. She agreed.

He and I went out back and played guitars and never I brought up the
incident. He's a great kid who let some things slip out. No biggie.

I told his mom that he was heard using "some objectionable words"
to which she said, "we know, it's a new thing with him. We're watching
it -
closely!" She thanked me and agreed not to "press charges."

As for your alternate use of "what the hump?" or "keep your frickin'
ASSpirin in the boat" suggestion, I think maybe you could be actually
instilling a "tone" into your kid's language.

I mean, maybe now, he's using cute little substitution words like
"heck"
or "fudge" but, once he gets keen on the the real phrase words or what
everyone else says, he'll be plugging in the real words easily because
that "tone" is already set in his brain.

No, no no. You got my boy all wrong. He's _already_ keen on the real
words, which is _why_ I showed him the substitutes. His mother (we're
split
9 yrs ago) curses like a sailor. He's been keen on the real words since
birth. And it really offends him. He constantly tells his mom "Ooooh
you
said a bad word." But, I think he agrees with me--these substitutes
don't
nearly feel as bad when you say them, which is why he does. And I'm
fine
with it--in my own house. Although, I do tell him, "respect those
around
you, and don't talk like this in class. On the playground is okay."

Because you and I know, on the playground they're already hearing the
real
words from 4th, 5th, and 6th graders. So, now maybe they'll hear the
substitutes from my 3rd grader and it'll rub off.


It's much easier to call someone an ASShole than an ASSpirin when they
just cut you off on the highway, you know?


Actually, I prefer the Nick Burns approach and say "Son of uhhh".
That's
easier to me, and much nicer than finishing it off.

If it works, then it's a blessing. And if you're boy is keen already, then
more
power to the lad! To be honest, just reading that you and the boy actually
play games together says much about your character

Doesn't say anything bad, I hope. For my son's sake, I wish his mom would
get her act together. But you'll often find people who just refuse to grow
up.

Sorry to hear about the split.

Ahh, that's way far in the past now. Life goes on.

My friend went through it recently and they've got three kids...
ironically, his wife has three boyfriends. Ouch. ~ SB

What a whore. Whores shouldn't have kids. But before you find out who the
whores are, usually its too late.

See ya around

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We've got him until Sunday and I hate to make this into a big
issue,
but
at 11 years old, I'm concerned that his language is so sour.

PLEASE, any thoughts??


Your house, your rules, period. If the kid doesn't like it,
tough.
Let
his
parents know. Better yet ask him if his parents are aware of his
filthy
mouth, and if they are all working with him on his problem.

This is arguable as being any better, but what me and my son do (8
yrs)
in
our house is use substitute phrases. For example, when the sharks
in
Zelda:WW circle you around your boat and continually knock you out
before
you can get any shots off (VERY ANNOYING), we find it very
satisfying to
be
able to shout something in our frustration. So we say stuff like
(in
all
seriousness), "What the hump!" or "Son of UUHHH!!!!!" or "Stay
the
hump
in the frikin boat you lame ASSprin peice of Shh-aving cream!"

And were literally fuming, but it feels so good to vent out the
frustration.
And it doesn't nearly sound as vile as the _real_ words. Although
if
his
grandmother were to be ther visiting, I'm sure she would still
cringe
and be
offended. I, am actually offended by explitives. But the
substitutes
are
soooo useful, and don't offend me in my own house.

Maybe you could persuade your nephew to give it a try? Heck,
maybe
the
kids
at his school would think him kind of novel and it might rubb off
on
them.


Well, I have to interject by saying that our nephew does not have a
filthy
mouth nor is he a problem kid. He's a very athletic young man who
shows
more respect to his grandma than most of my friends show to their
wives.

When Daph told me what happened, I wasn't too worried about it.

When I heard him swearing later - which I've never heard this kid
swear
in his entire life - I was pretty surprised, and I told her that we
needed
to
probably pull him away from the game. She agreed.

He and I went out back and played guitars and never I brought up the
incident. He's a great kid who let some things slip out. No biggie.

I told his mom that he was heard using "some objectionable words"
to which she said, "we know, it's a new thing with him. We're
watching
it -
closely!" She thanked me and agreed not to "press charges."

As for your alternate use of "what the hump?" or "keep your frickin'
ASSpirin in the boat" suggestion, I think maybe you could be
actually
instilling a "tone" into your kid's language.

I mean, maybe now, he's using cute little substitution words like
"heck"
or "fudge" but, once he gets keen on the the real phrase words or
what
everyone else says, he'll be plugging in the real words easily
because
that "tone" is already set in his brain.

No, no no. You got my boy all wrong. He's _already_ keen on the real
words, which is _why_ I showed him the substitutes. His mother (we're
split
9 yrs ago) curses like a sailor. He's been keen on the real words
since
birth. And it really offends him. He constantly tells his mom "Ooooh
you
said a bad word." But, I think he agrees with me--these substitutes
don't
nearly feel as bad when you say them, which is why he does. And I'm
fine
with it--in my own house. Although, I do tell him, "respect those
around
you, and don't talk like this in class. On the playground is okay."

Because you and I know, on the playground they're already hearing the
real
words from 4th, 5th, and 6th graders. So, now maybe they'll hear the
substitutes from my 3rd grader and it'll rub off.


It's much easier to call someone an ASShole than an ASSpirin when
they
just cut you off on the highway, you know?


Actually, I prefer the Nick Burns approach and say "Son of uhhh".
That's
easier to me, and much nicer than finishing it off.

If it works, then it's a blessing. And if you're boy is keen already,
then
more
power to the lad! To be honest, just reading that you and the boy
actually
play games together says much about your character

Doesn't say anything bad, I hope. For my son's sake, I wish his mom would
get her act together. But you'll often find people who just refuse to
grow
up.

Sorry to hear about the split.

Ahh, that's way far in the past now. Life goes on.

My friend went through it recently and they've got three kids...
ironically, his wife has three boyfriends. Ouch. ~ SB

What a whore. Whores shouldn't have kids. But before you find out who
the
whores are, usually its too late.

whores? what a derogatory term that is gender specific, tearing women down.
if you were single, wouldn't you like to be testing the waters too? you
have no idea she's ****ing them. i love the way language denotes ignorance.
women should steer clear of you.



See ya around

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We've got him until Sunday and I hate to make this into a big
issue,
but
at 11 years old, I'm concerned that his language is so sour.

PLEASE, any thoughts??


Your house, your rules, period. If the kid doesn't like it,
tough.
Let
his
parents know. Better yet ask him if his parents are aware of his
filthy
mouth, and if they are all working with him on his problem.

This is arguable as being any better, but what me and my son do (8
yrs)
in
our house is use substitute phrases. For example, when the sharks
in
Zelda:WW circle you around your boat and continually knock you out
before
you can get any shots off (VERY ANNOYING), we find it very
satisfying to
be
able to shout something in our frustration. So we say stuff like
(in
all
seriousness), "What the hump!" or "Son of UUHHH!!!!!" or "Stay
the
hump
in the frikin boat you lame ASSprin peice of Shh-aving cream!"

And were literally fuming, but it feels so good to vent out the
frustration.
And it doesn't nearly sound as vile as the _real_ words. Although
if
his
grandmother were to be ther visiting, I'm sure she would still
cringe
and be
offended. I, am actually offended by explitives. But the
substitutes
are
soooo useful, and don't offend me in my own house.

Maybe you could persuade your nephew to give it a try? Heck,
maybe
the
kids
at his school would think him kind of novel and it might rubb off
on
them.


Well, I have to interject by saying that our nephew does not have a
filthy
mouth nor is he a problem kid. He's a very athletic young man who
shows
more respect to his grandma than most of my friends show to their
wives.

When Daph told me what happened, I wasn't too worried about it.

When I heard him swearing later - which I've never heard this kid
swear
in his entire life - I was pretty surprised, and I told her that we
needed
to
probably pull him away from the game. She agreed.

He and I went out back and played guitars and never I brought up the
incident. He's a great kid who let some things slip out. No biggie.

I told his mom that he was heard using "some objectionable words"
to which she said, "we know, it's a new thing with him. We're
watching
it -
closely!" She thanked me and agreed not to "press charges."

As for your alternate use of "what the hump?" or "keep your frickin'
ASSpirin in the boat" suggestion, I think maybe you could be
actually
instilling a "tone" into your kid's language.

I mean, maybe now, he's using cute little substitution words like
"heck"
or "fudge" but, once he gets keen on the the real phrase words or
what
everyone else says, he'll be plugging in the real words easily
because
that "tone" is already set in his brain.

No, no no. You got my boy all wrong. He's _already_ keen on the real
words, which is _why_ I showed him the substitutes. His mother (we're
split
9 yrs ago) curses like a sailor. He's been keen on the real words
since
birth. And it really offends him. He constantly tells his mom "Ooooh
you
said a bad word." But, I think he agrees with me--these substitutes
don't
nearly feel as bad when you say them, which is why he does. And I'm
fine
with it--in my own house. Although, I do tell him, "respect those
around
you, and don't talk like this in class. On the playground is okay."

Because you and I know, on the playground they're already hearing the
real
words from 4th, 5th, and 6th graders. So, now maybe they'll hear the
substitutes from my 3rd grader and it'll rub off.


It's much easier to call someone an ASShole than an ASSpirin when
they
just cut you off on the highway, you know?


Actually, I prefer the Nick Burns approach and say "Son of uhhh".
That's
easier to me, and much nicer than finishing it off.

If it works, then it's a blessing. And if you're boy is keen already,
then
more
power to the lad! To be honest, just reading that you and the boy
actually
play games together says much about your character

Doesn't say anything bad, I hope. For my son's sake, I wish his mom would
get her act together. But you'll often find people who just refuse to
grow
up.

Sorry to hear about the split.

Ahh, that's way far in the past now. Life goes on.

My friend went through it recently and they've got three kids...
ironically, his wife has three boyfriends. Ouch. ~ SB

What a whore. Whores shouldn't have kids. But before you find out who
the
whores are, usually its too late.

whores? what a derogatory term that is gender specific, tearing women down.
if you were single, wouldn't you like to be testing the waters too? you
have no idea she's ****ing them. i love the way language denotes ignorance.
women should steer clear of you.



See ya around


Yeouch! That spanking even hurt me!! hehe

xo

db

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We've got him until Sunday and I hate to make this into a
big
issue,
but
at 11 years old, I'm concerned that his language is so sour.

PLEASE, any thoughts??


Your house, your rules, period. If the kid doesn't like it,
tough.
Let
his
parents know. Better yet ask him if his parents are aware of
his
filthy
mouth, and if they are all working with him on his problem.

This is arguable as being any better, but what me and my son
do (8
yrs)
in
our house is use substitute phrases. For example, when the
sharks
in
Zelda:WW circle you around your boat and continually knock you
out
before
you can get any shots off (VERY ANNOYING), we find it very
satisfying to
be
able to shout something in our frustration. So we say stuff
like
(in
all
seriousness), "What the hump!" or "Son of UUHHH!!!!!" or
"Stay
the
hump
in the frikin boat you lame ASSprin peice of Shh-aving cream!"

And were literally fuming, but it feels so good to vent out
the
frustration.
And it doesn't nearly sound as vile as the _real_ words.
Although
if
his
grandmother were to be ther visiting, I'm sure she would still
cringe
and be
offended. I, am actually offended by explitives. But the
substitutes
are
soooo useful, and don't offend me in my own house.

Maybe you could persuade your nephew to give it a try? Heck,
maybe
the
kids
at his school would think him kind of novel and it might rubb
off
on
them.


Well, I have to interject by saying that our nephew does not
have a
filthy
mouth nor is he a problem kid. He's a very athletic young man
who
shows
more respect to his grandma than most of my friends show to
their
wives.

When Daph told me what happened, I wasn't too worried about it.

When I heard him swearing later - which I've never heard this
kid
swear
in his entire life - I was pretty surprised, and I told her that
we
needed
to
probably pull him away from the game. She agreed.

He and I went out back and played guitars and never I brought up
the
incident. He's a great kid who let some things slip out. No
biggie.

I told his mom that he was heard using "some objectionable
words"
to which she said, "we know, it's a new thing with him. We're
watching
it -
closely!" She thanked me and agreed not to "press charges."

As for your alternate use of "what the hump?" or "keep your
frickin'
ASSpirin in the boat" suggestion, I think maybe you could be
actually
instilling a "tone" into your kid's language.

I mean, maybe now, he's using cute little substitution words
like
"heck"
or "fudge" but, once he gets keen on the the real phrase words
or
what
everyone else says, he'll be plugging in the real words easily
because
that "tone" is already set in his brain.

No, no no. You got my boy all wrong. He's _already_ keen on the
real
words, which is _why_ I showed him the substitutes. His mother
(we're
split
9 yrs ago) curses like a sailor. He's been keen on the real words
since
birth. And it really offends him. He constantly tells his mom
"Ooooh
you
said a bad word." But, I think he agrees with me--these
substitutes
don't
nearly feel as bad when you say them, which is why he does. And
I'm
fine
with it--in my own house. Although, I do tell him, "respect those
around
you, and don't talk like this in class. On the playground is
okay."

Because you and I know, on the playground they're already hearing
the
real
words from 4th, 5th, and 6th graders. So, now maybe they'll hear
the
substitutes from my 3rd grader and it'll rub off.


It's much easier to call someone an ASShole than an ASSpirin
when
they
just cut you off on the highway, you know?


Actually, I prefer the Nick Burns approach and say "Son of uhhh".
That's
easier to me, and much nicer than finishing it off.

If it works, then it's a blessing. And if you're boy is keen
already,
then
more
power to the lad! To be honest, just reading that you and the boy
actually
play games together says much about your character

Doesn't say anything bad, I hope. For my son's sake, I wish his mom
would
get her act together. But you'll often find people who just refuse to
grow
up.

Sorry to hear about the split.

Ahh, that's way far in the past now. Life goes on.

My friend went through it recently and they've got three kids...
ironically, his wife has three boyfriends. Ouch. ~ SB

What a whore. Whores shouldn't have kids. But before you find out
who
the
whores are, usually its too late.

whores? what a derogatory term that is gender specific, tearing women
down.
if you were single, wouldn't you like to be testing the waters too? you
have no idea she's ****ing them. i love the way language denotes
ignorance.
women should steer clear of you.



See ya around


Yeouch! That spanking even hurt me!! hehe


lol. sorry, i sometimes grow a really big hand and catch too many in the
path of the retribution



xo

db

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We've got him until Sunday and I hate to make this into a
big
issue,
but
at 11 years old, I'm concerned that his language is so sour.

PLEASE, any thoughts??


Your house, your rules, period. If the kid doesn't like it,
tough.
Let
his
parents know. Better yet ask him if his parents are aware of
his
filthy
mouth, and if they are all working with him on his problem.

This is arguable as being any better, but what me and my son
do
(8
yrs)
in
our house is use substitute phrases. For example, when the
sharks
in
Zelda:WW circle you around your boat and continually knock you
out
before
you can get any shots off (VERY ANNOYING), we find it very
satisfying to
be
able to shout something in our frustration. So we say stuff
like
(in
all
seriousness), "What the hump!" or "Son of UUHHH!!!!!" or
"Stay
the
hump
in the frikin boat you lame ASSprin peice of Shh-aving cream!"

And were literally fuming, but it feels so good to vent out
the
frustration.
And it doesn't nearly sound as vile as the _real_ words.
Although
if
his
grandmother were to be ther visiting, I'm sure she would still
cringe
and be
offended. I, am actually offended by explitives. But the
substitutes
are
soooo useful, and don't offend me in my own house.

Maybe you could persuade your nephew to give it a try? Heck,
maybe
the
kids
at his school would think him kind of novel and it might rubb
off
on
them.


Well, I have to interject by saying that our nephew does not
have
a
filthy
mouth nor is he a problem kid. He's a very athletic young man
who
shows
more respect to his grandma than most of my friends show to
their
wives.

When Daph told me what happened, I wasn't too worried about it.

When I heard him swearing later - which I've never heard this
kid
swear
in his entire life - I was pretty surprised, and I told her that
we
needed
to
probably pull him away from the game. She agreed.

He and I went out back and played guitars and never I brought up
the
incident. He's a great kid who let some things slip out. No
biggie.

I told his mom that he was heard using "some objectionable
words"
to which she said, "we know, it's a new thing with him. We're
watching
it -
closely!" She thanked me and agreed not to "press charges."

As for your alternate use of "what the hump?" or "keep your
frickin'
ASSpirin in the boat" suggestion, I think maybe you could be
actually
instilling a "tone" into your kid's language.

I mean, maybe now, he's using cute little substitution words
like
"heck"
or "fudge" but, once he gets keen on the the real phrase words
or
what
everyone else says, he'll be plugging in the real words easily
because
that "tone" is already set in his brain.

No, no no. You got my boy all wrong. He's _already_ keen on the
real
words, which is _why_ I showed him the substitutes. His mother
(we're
split
9 yrs ago) curses like a sailor. He's been keen on the real words
since
birth. And it really offends him. He constantly tells his mom
"Ooooh
you
said a bad word." But, I think he agrees with me--these
substitutes
don't
nearly feel as bad when you say them, which is why he does. And
I'm
fine
with it--in my own house. Although, I do tell him, "respect those
around
you, and don't talk like this in class. On the playground is
okay."

Because you and I know, on the playground they're already hearing
the
real
words from 4th, 5th, and 6th graders. So, now maybe they'll hear
the
substitutes from my 3rd grader and it'll rub off.


It's much easier to call someone an ASShole than an ASSpirin
when
they
just cut you off on the highway, you know?


Actually, I prefer the Nick Burns approach and say "Son of uhhh".
That's
easier to me, and much nicer than finishing it off.

If it works, then it's a blessing. And if you're boy is keen
already,
then
more
power to the lad! To be honest, just reading that you and the boy
actually
play games together says much about your character

Doesn't say anything bad, I hope. For my son's sake, I wish his mom
would
get her act together. But you'll often find people who just refuse to
grow
up.

Sorry to hear about the split.

Ahh, that's way far in the past now. Life goes on.

My friend went through it recently and they've got three kids...
ironically, his wife has three boyfriends. Ouch. ~ SB

What a whore. Whores shouldn't have kids. But before you find out
who
the
whores are, usually its too late.

whores? what a derogatory term that is gender specific, tearing women
down.

(tearing?) No, not women--just whores.

if you were single, wouldn't you like to be testing the waters too?

Believe me when I was single, I was a whore--then I had kids--then I
STOPPED
being a whore. It sounds like even with kids, she's STILL a whore (or
began
being one).

you
have no idea she's ****ing them.

I'll consider a women who courts, or leads men on (many of them
simultaneously, no less), to be a whore. Having kids makes it worse--she
needs to set an example. At least when I was whore I had no kids.
Strictly
speaking, if she's not humping them, then she's a nasty tease. But I
won't
give her the benefit of the doubt, and just call her a whore. I feel (yes
you disagree) the only reason for divorce is cheating, or constant
physical
abuse. If her husband didn't cheat on or beat her, then I have no respect
for her (or him, if he left her)--especially breaking a family and
leaving/taking three kids with/away from their dad--just so she can dick
around with three guys at once.

I said it once before and I'll say it again--whore. Got a problem with
that? That's nice.

i love the way language denotes ignorance.

I love the way language denotes ignorance too. Cool, we're twins.

women should steer clear of you.

No, just the whores.

honestly dude, i'm not saying this as some newsgroup flame, but you should
really really talk to someone about your misogyny. it's apparant all
through your post, you really don't like women. wanting to control who they
have sex with, assuming that those who hang out with guys but DON'T ****
them are teases, but if they do **** them they're whores... you don't give
them any room. and the last time i checked, having children doesn't mean
you should stop ****ing. and 'setting an example'?? your children must be
totally wrecked and that's why you need to talk to a counsellor of some
kind, honestly. sex is healthy, fun, the second strongest drive after
survival in the entire species, exciting, inspiring, delicious and
nutritious. why deny anyone sex? why call someone a whore for enjoying
sex? people like you are the ones who enforce a fictitious rule on
who/what/how much sex someone is entitled to have. it stems from males
wanting to control female sexuality (ie. whore, slut, tramp, dirty, etc ---
now find one like that for a guy -- if you can't, one must wonder why these
terms were invented, what was/is their purpose? if you need to figure it
out, post back and i'll help), and secondly, it stems from jealousy. if we
taught kids to beat off and love their cock/pussy, the world would be a LOT
LESS ****ED up.

snip
with it--in my own house. Although, I do tell him, "respect
those
around
you, and don't talk like this in class. On the playground is
okay."

Because you and I know, on the playground they're already
hearing
the
real
words from 4th, 5th, and 6th graders. So, now maybe they'll
hear
the
substitutes from my 3rd grader and it'll rub off.


It's much easier to call someone an ASShole than an ASSpirin
when
they
just cut you off on the highway, you know?


Actually, I prefer the Nick Burns approach and say "Son of
uhhh".
That's
easier to me, and much nicer than finishing it off.

If it works, then it's a blessing. And if you're boy is keen
already,
then
more
power to the lad! To be honest, just reading that you and the
boy
actually
play games together says much about your character

Doesn't say anything bad, I hope. For my son's sake, I wish his
mom
would
get her act together. But you'll often find people who just
refuse
to
grow
up.

Sorry to hear about the split.

Ahh, that's way far in the past now. Life goes on.

My friend went through it recently and they've got three kids...
ironically, his wife has three boyfriends. Ouch. ~ SB

What a whore. Whores shouldn't have kids. But before you find
out
who
the
whores are, usually its too late.

whores? what a derogatory term that is gender specific, tearing
women
down.

(tearing?) No, not women--just whores.

if you were single, wouldn't you like to be testing the waters too?

Believe me when I was single, I was a whore--then I had kids--then I
STOPPED
being a whore. It sounds like even with kids, she's STILL a whore (or
began
being one).

you
have no idea she's ****ing them.

I'll consider a women who courts, or leads men on (many of them
simultaneously, no less), to be a whore. Having kids makes it
worse--she
needs to set an example. At least when I was whore I had no kids.
Strictly
speaking, if she's not humping them, then she's a nasty tease. But I
won't
give her the benefit of the doubt, and just call her a whore. I feel
(yes
you disagree) the only reason for divorce is cheating, or constant
physical
abuse. If her husband didn't cheat on or beat her, then I have no
respect
for her (or him, if he left her)--especially breaking a family and
leaving/taking three kids with/away from their dad--just so she can
dick
around with three guys at once.

I said it once before and I'll say it again--whore. Got a problem
with
that? That's nice.

i love the way language denotes ignorance.

I love the way language denotes ignorance too. Cool, we're twins.

women should steer clear of you.

No, just the whores.

honestly dude, i'm not saying this as some newsgroup flame, but you
should
really really talk to someone about your misogyny. it's apparant all
through your post, you really don't like women. wanting to control who
they
have sex with, assuming that those who hang out with guys but DON'T ****
them are teases, but if they do **** them they're whores... you don't
give
them any room. and the last time i checked, having children doesn't
mean
you should stop ****ing. and 'setting an example'?? your children must
be
totally wrecked and that's why you need to talk to a counsellor of some
kind, honestly. sex is healthy, fun, the second strongest drive after
survival in the entire species, exciting, inspiring, delicious and
nutritious. why deny anyone sex? why call someone a whore for enjoying
sex? people like you are the ones who enforce a fictitious rule on
who/what/how much sex someone is entitled to have. it stems from males
wanting to control female sexuality (ie. whore, slut, tramp, dirty,
etc ---
now find one like that for a guy -- if you can't, one must wonder why
these
terms were invented, what was/is their purpose? if you need to figure
it
out, post back and i'll help), and secondly, it stems from jealousy. if
we
taught kids to beat off and love their cock/pussy, the world would be a
LOT
LESS ****ED up.


Wow, you got some issues don't you. The way you have this perverted,
corrupted lens through which you view the world and those around you, wow.
The one that got me the most was how you completely reached into the
darkness and pulled out from your bowels the one where I suppossedly told
you that sex is/bad wrong.

so why would you call someone a whore? isn't a 'whore' someone who likes
sex? but you're not meaning whore in a good way, you're implying a negative
connotation. so, in essence, you're saying 'sex is bad'. it's not too
difficult to string these two together.


Your complete twisting, and gross lack of
comprehension you have gets applauded from me as being one the greatest
eff-ups I've seen in a while here in this or any other ng.

"last time i checked, having children doesn't mean you should stop
****ing."

When did I say once you have kids, to stop the humping? Lord forbid we
can
have sex with our marital partners, huh? You're sucha toon. But I'll
entertain you some more.

and 'setting an example'?? your children must be
totally wrecked and that's why you need to talk to a counsellor of some
kind, honestly.

Why? Is this what talking to a counselor has done for you? Left you
blind
and stupid, with no sense? In that case I'll leave the counselor for you.
I would not want to become as inside out as you.

sex is healthy, fun,

Indeed it is, with the one you love wholeheartedly, as an experience to be
SACRED and special between two married heterosexual adults.

ohhhhhhhhh.... i must be in the wrong room. i didn't see 'deluded' above
the door. you sound religious. mary magdelene would be proud of your use
of the word 'whore'.



the second strongest drive after
survival in the entire species,

Ohh, so you're one of _them_... It sounds like we could start getting
religous on each other pretty soon (or already). We should move this to
alt.origins, or aetheism, agnostic?


i thought i was when i looked at the NG's it's posted in: playstation2,
xbox, nintendo, and misc.kids. NONE of those things has anything to do with
power and control.



exciting, inspiring, delicious and
nutritious. why deny anyone sex?

What a frikin bafoon. How have I denied anyone sex? I never said, "Don't
start a family, don't enjoy your husband or wife." You're implying that
I'm
frowning on sex before/after marriage--I am. Then say that. But to say
exactly "why deny anyone sex?" is to ask a question in response to
something
I never said.

you're implying that a woman shouldn't have sex with men other than her
ex-husband/father of children, because she has kids. so you're saying she
shouldn't ****. you're denying her pleasure. that's what religion does, i
guess.


And no, man, I don't want to control anyone. How'd you come up with that
one.

the use of the word 'whore' to describe a woman is a way to control female
sexuality. it creates a 'normal' woman (one who engages in sex with one man
at one time while married) and tells women who aren't 'normal' that they're
whores for stepping outside the rules men have placed on them. you didn't
go to university i take it.


It's unbelievable. So lost are we? Do ever have suicidal tendencies?
Too many demons pent up? Life in your shoes must be very sickening. How
much longer will you allow yourself to be tormented. I bet you have musch
hate for the world, don't you. You've already answered that for me.

i love the world so much that it breaks my heart to see ignorant men
treating women like **** simply because they're bitter, sex-less nutbars
who've gotten too wrapped up in religion and too far away from the joy of
life. but nice observation. do you think my post is about hate? i'd
re-read what you wrote highlighting all the parts where you said "buffoon,
idiot, etc" and then look at mine, and tell me who's the one that is sadly
mistaken.


Peace out man, and stay away from the whores.

"nightwriter" wrote in message
e.rogers.com...

"Mike Saucedo" wrote in message
...

"nightwriter" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
snip
with it--in my own house. Although, I do tell him,
"respect
those
around
you, and don't talk like this in class. On the
playground
is
okay."

Because you and I know, on the playground they're
already
hearing
the
real
words from 4th, 5th, and 6th graders. So, now maybe
they'll
hear
the
substitutes from my 3rd grader and it'll rub off.


It's much easier to call someone an ASShole than an
ASSpirin
when
they
just cut you off on the highway, you know?


Actually, I prefer the Nick Burns approach and say "Son
of
uhhh".
That's
easier to me, and much nicer than finishing it off.

If it works, then it's a blessing. And if you're boy is
keen
already,
then
more
power to the lad! To be honest, just reading that you and
the
boy
actually
play games together says much about your character

Doesn't say anything bad, I hope. For my son's sake, I wish
his
mom
would
get her act together. But you'll often find people who just
refuse
to
grow
up.

Sorry to hear about the split.

Ahh, that's way far in the past now. Life goes on.

My friend went through it recently and they've got three
kids...
ironically, his wife has three boyfriends. Ouch. ~ SB

What a whore. Whores shouldn't have kids. But before you
find
out
who
the
whores are, usually its too late.

whores? what a derogatory term that is gender specific,
tearing
women
down.

(tearing?) No, not women--just whores.

if you were single, wouldn't you like to be testing the waters
too?

Believe me when I was single, I was a whore--then I had
kids--then
I
STOPPED
being a whore. It sounds like even with kids, she's STILL a
whore
(or
began
being one).

you
have no idea she's ****ing them.

I'll consider a women who courts, or leads men on (many of them
simultaneously, no less), to be a whore. Having kids makes it
worse--she
needs to set an example. At least when I was whore I had no
kids.
Strictly
speaking, if she's not humping them, then she's a nasty tease.
But
I
won't
give her the benefit of the doubt, and just call her a whore. I
feel
(yes
you disagree) the only reason for divorce is cheating, or
constant
physical
abuse. If her husband didn't cheat on or beat her, then I have
no
respect
for her (or him, if he left her)--especially breaking a family
and
leaving/taking three kids with/away from their dad--just so she
can
dick
around with three guys at once.

I said it once before and I'll say it again--whore. Got a
problem
with
that? That's nice.

i love the way language denotes ignorance.

I love the way language denotes ignorance too. Cool, we're
twins.

women should steer clear of you.

No, just the whores.

honestly dude, i'm not saying this as some newsgroup flame, but
you
should
really really talk to someone about your misogyny. it's apparant
all
through your post, you really don't like women. wanting to
control
who
they
have sex with, assuming that those who hang out with guys but
DON'T
****
them are teases, but if they do **** them they're whores... you
don't
give
them any room. and the last time i checked, having children
doesn't
mean
you should stop ****ing. and 'setting an example'?? your
children
must
be
totally wrecked and that's why you need to talk to a counsellor of
some
kind, honestly. sex is healthy, fun, the second strongest drive
after
survival in the entire species, exciting, inspiring, delicious and
nutritious. why deny anyone sex? why call someone a whore for
enjoying
sex? people like you are the ones who enforce a fictitious rule
on
who/what/how much sex someone is entitled to have. it stems from
males
wanting to control female sexuality (ie. whore, slut, tramp,
dirty,
etc ---
now find one like that for a guy -- if you can't, one must wonder
why
these
terms were invented, what was/is their purpose? if you need to
figure
it
out, post back and i'll help), and secondly, it stems from
jealousy.
if
we
taught kids to beat off and love their cock/pussy, the world would
be
a
LOT
LESS ****ED up.


Wow, you got some issues don't you. The way you have this
perverted,
corrupted lens through which you view the world and those around
you,
wow.
The one that got me the most was how you completely reached into the
darkness and pulled out from your bowels the one where I suppossedly
told
you that sex is/bad wrong.

so why would you call someone a whore? isn't a 'whore' someone who
likes
sex?

All whores like sex (arguably). All those who like sex are NOT whores.
I
love sex with my wife, yet I'm not a whore. Sounds like you haven't
been
through university.

but you're not meaning whore in a good way, you're implying a negative
connotation. so, in essence, you're saying 'sex is bad'.

Uhh, no. That's your problem--putting words in others mouths. It
wouldn't
be so bad if you put the coreect words in peoples mouths.

Anything "whore" is negative, yes, that's a given. Unless you're you.
Then
whoring is a joyous thing, frolicing and sexing with anything and
everyone--just like in Soddom and, you know. What happend to that
place?
Oh but wait you evolved from a rock, so those "male, chauvinist,
fairy-tales" don't apply to you. Yes, agreed. I can tell you havn't
applied them to you.

To sum up--sex good, with spouse. sex bad with everyone else. Hard for
you
to grasp, yes I know. I just want to control everything and everyone.

it's not too
difficult to string these two together.

For most of us it's difficult to come up with stuff out of thin air, but
for
you it comes quite easy.



Your complete twisting, and gross lack of
comprehension you have gets applauded from me as being one the
greatest
eff-ups I've seen in a while here in this or any other ng.

"last time i checked, having children doesn't mean you should stop
****ing."

When did I say once you have kids, to stop the humping? Lord forbid
we
can
have sex with our marital partners, huh? You're sucha toon. But
I'll
entertain you some more.

and 'setting an example'?? your children must be
totally wrecked and that's why you need to talk to a counsellor of
some
kind, honestly.

Why? Is this what talking to a counselor has done for you? Left
you
blind
and stupid, with no sense? In that case I'll leave the counselor
for
you.
I would not want to become as inside out as you.

sex is healthy, fun,

Indeed it is, with the one you love wholeheartedly, as an experience
to
be
SACRED and special between two married heterosexual adults.

ohhhhhhhhh.... i must be in the wrong room. i didn't see 'deluded'
above
the door.

When one is deluded, it has hard to see the various signs on the doors
(regardless what they say)

you sound religious.

Probably just as much as you do. You ever looked into/studied evolution
_really_ hard?...

starts with the big bang. at that point, logic/reason/science fly out the
window, and everything is possible, including gods.



mary magdelene would be proud of your use
of the word 'whore'.

Mary told her people at this wedding where Jesus performed his first
miracle, "Whatever this man says to do, you do." Then later on in the
temple Jesus went about rebuking and name-calling everyone there who was
engaged in making that holy place a "den of thieves" by basically
setting
up
ebay. So as far as rebuking everyone who's evil (yes, this includes
myself
at times), then you're right! Mary would be proud of me! There's
nothing
wrong with calling things the way they are.




the second strongest drive after
survival in the entire species,

Ohh, so you're one of _them_... It sounds like we could start
getting
religous on each other pretty soon (or already). We should move
this
to
alt.origins, or aetheism, agnostic?


i thought i was when i looked at the NG's it's posted in:
playstation2,
xbox, nintendo, and misc.kids. NONE of those things has anything to
do
with
power and control.

Playstation doesn't want to "control" the hand-held market--just like
Nintendo? Xbox doesn't want "power" in Japan? Probably misc.kids is
the
only thing that is exempt. Just a detail that your wrong about.

semantics.





exciting, inspiring, delicious and
nutritious. why deny anyone sex?

What a frikin bafoon. How have I denied anyone sex? I never said,
"Don't
start a family, don't enjoy your husband or wife." You're implying
that
I'm
frowning on sex before/after marriage--I am. Then say that. But to
say
exactly "why deny anyone sex?" is to ask a question in response to
something
I never said.

you're implying that a woman shouldn't have sex with men other than
her
ex-husband/father of children, because she has kids. so you're saying
she
shouldn't ****. you're denying her pleasure.

No. She deined herself pleasure, when she messed up. And anyway she
could
always re-marry. But that's beside the point, you want to live in a
lawless
world where rampant self worship goes unchecked.


that's stretching it. but people engaged in pleasure at no one else's
expense? yeah, i'm all for being happy as long as no one else gets hurt.
any god that was loving would insist on it. IMO.

Sure two consenting adults (unmarried) having a freak fest, probably ain't
hurting anyone else (yeah, right, almost ALWAYS does affect other people,
but I'll stretch it here just for you). But that's not to say that they
aren't being affected in unseen ways themselves, emotionally,
psychologically, etc. etc (not to mention the infamous physically).

My God who _is_ loving does insist on it. He said "go forth in the Earth
and multiply in it and subdue it." He just said go and make love and fill
the Earth. But 'ol nightwriter likes to read that as ORGY!. This is how we
know it's not ORGY. Because He says elswhere "do not commit adultury" (10
cmds). Then later he says, "any man who lust after a woman with his eyes,
has committed adultery in his heart" (Jesus, New test) He's talking outside
of your wife.

Can't all the sexual satisfaction you need be gotten with your one and only
wife? Not according to you, yes I know. That's what the devil wants to
do--twist and corrupt God's program--he's a hacker. He see's that the rules
states "sex with wife, beatiful, good, right, so be it". So the devil hacks
it to "sex before marriage, with many partners, good, beautiful, so be it.
Sex with wife--bad, boring, NOT fun, so be it" Because you know the devil
hates God's, 'cause God gets all the worship, not him. And he can't
stand--wants to kill us--cause if he don't get praise, then "NO ONE WILL
BWAA HA HA HA!!!"

Part of how he does this is hacking the code, hacking the rules. Because he
understand how much God is a perfection freak, and wants everything to run
smoothly and His way.

Seriously we need to move this to alt.God or something.




Where no one is denied
"their" pleasure, their worship, their self-gratification. There was
another religous figure who wanted that too (besides God), I wonder who
that
was.... Anyway.


it's not about 'pleasure' per se. it's about experience. about seeing
and
tasting and touching everything that this big fat glorious world provides.

Yeah, Satan I hear you. But God says "I put you in this world, but you are
not OF this world, for this world is evil."

"Resist temptation. It isn't I who tempts you, but the enemy."

Short point, you can have joy in God, without having to break his rules all
the time.



And also, there is great pleasure and joy in Jesus, the Christ, Lord my
God.
Although, the likes of you would want me to believe that the only
pleasure
worth having is this "fleeting" pleasure, here found on Earth, you know,
whoring and such. But God says that a "man doesn't live by bread alone,
but
by every word that flows from the mouth of God." But you probably
couldn't
understand a statement like that? He talks about those too who have
ears
but cannot hear...

that's my point: do you call men whores too?

Have you been reading my posts?! I've called former self a whore a few
times already!




that's what religion does, i
guess.

Makes the losers like you angry and furious to the point of death and
destruction?

like good ol' georgie bush using the name of god to destroy god's children
in other parts of the world? yeah, i'll take my religion over that
two-faced hypocrisy any day of the week, including sunday.

Yes, pitty the soul who kills in the name of God. I'm not sure this is what
georgie has done--taking the name of the Lord to move his war? But war,
death, and destruction, we've already established--bad. Hmmm, isn't this
what muslims do? Take the name of their prophet to kill?

And yes I know the God of the Old Testement killed and went to war and
everyhting (something about blood shed being necessary for sin). But After
Jesus came and died on the cross (New Testament) the blood was shed once and
for all. So, no my God doesn't start/go to wars anymore or condone murder!



Yeah I know it has that affect on some people. I bet your
blood is boiling right now, huh? Can't stand it. Probably take a swing
at
me if we were in person, huh? Or shoot me when no one was looking. I
know
all about the hate you have for my God, it's well documented.



And no, man, I don't want to control anyone. How'd you come up
with
that
one.

the use of the word 'whore' to describe a woman is a way to control
female
sexuality. it creates a 'normal' woman (one who engages in sex with
one
man
at one time while married) and tells women who aren't 'normal' that
they're
whores for stepping outside the rules men have placed on them.

Man, it sounds like _you've_ been going to those counselors you were
trying
to sell me on. Whoah, they got you good.

you didn't go to university i take it.

Graduated 4 year accredited university with a BS in computer science,
emphesis in physics and math. Work now making playstation2 games. Boy,
you're pretty self-centered and ignorant aren't you?

uhhhh, sure... i hope that's what my posts convey.



That's how I know so well about your twistedness, I've been in the belly
of
the beast and still am, being around such losers as yourself.

so why do you work? why are you earning this money? why are you not a
monk? for pleasure, perhaps? for these dens of thieves that capitalism
has
created? i don't understand, oh pious one, how you can condemn women for
****ing outside marriage (and men, too?), while you set about profiteering
in the name of....? profit? pleasure? material comfort? why aren't you
giving your salary to the poor? hypocrisy

What makes you think I don't give to the needy?! That I don't give a
percentage of my yearly earnings to the Church!? Never once do I claim to
be perfect however! How quick we are to jump to conclusions about people!
It's better for me to know the Truth and _try_ to live it everyday and fail
sometimes, than to be blind and dwell in darkness and be evil.

There's nothing wrong with working. God says "the workman is worthy of his
meat."


You know you
could repent? It doesn't have to be this way? Then we could be
life-long
brothers?

my god/s would never deny his/her people pleasure, beauty, freedom and
life.

Funny, my God doesn't deny His people anyhting either--He gives the gift of
free, everlasting, infinite life! What's more is so nice you can choose to
say "no." Although what idiot in all creation would not want to bend a knee
and say "yes!"???!!!

if xtianity decides to make another paradigm shift for the better, i'll
look
into it.

Yes, put an X where Christ should be. Everyone wants to get Him out of
everything. But you're right Christianity would never give you what you
would want--for you to be your own god. My God is jealous and doesn't share
power with anyone! You would have to bend your knees and bow before Him and
claim Him you Master, and that you live for Him and not yourself anymore.
But don't let the devil hear you say that, he'll start to come after you.
And who would want to stop living forthemselves? No one I know is so
self-less, they all want to go orgy.





It's unbelievable. So lost are we? Do ever have suicidal
tendencies?
Too many demons pent up? Life in your shoes must be very sickening.
How
much longer will you allow yourself to be tormented. I bet you have
musch
hate for the world, don't you. You've already answered that for me.

i love the world so much

yeah right.

that it breaks my heart to see ignorant men

...not fornicating left and right?

is there a difference in fulfilling a sexual desire and fulfilling a
desire
for a really sweet dessert? on an organic/philosophical level, there is
none whatsoever. do you also deny yourself sweets? laughter? what do
you
think when you look at a really sexy 16 year old? do you hate yourself?

see my pontifacting on "difference" below.




treating women like ****

You need to talk to my wife, better yet just talk to *anyone* who
doesn't
have a PhD in MindF**k.

simply because they're bitter, sex-less nutbars

What a small perception you have on the world. Just because some one
isn't
a whoremonger, they're automatically a "bitter, sex-less nutbar."?
You're
lame.


okay, unfair jab. my bad.


who've gotten too wrapped up in religion and too far away from the joy
of
life.

Not wrapped up in religion--it's more of a "relationship." And NOT far
away
from the joy of life--but right in the middle of it

but nice observation. do you think my post is about hate?

Yes, hate for those who aren't self worshipping whoremongers.

not hate. i took issue with your use of the word 'whore'. it's a
hate-filled word. the rest of my feelings on it are well documented in my
posts. why aren't you able to see that calling someone a 'whore' is
hateful? is it because your religion allows it? encourages it? i went
to
a private catholic boys school. (insert pedophile joke here). i know
well
how the church pushes hardest against the greatest pleasures, leaving
humanity with nothing but a vacuous life full of a meaningless and dead
god
that preaches hatred and diversity.

All you had to do way in the beginning was say that one word and it would
have explained a lot for me: catholic. I really hope my catholic brothers
are coming around, and I feel nowadays they are, but before, oh my gosh.

You need to get out of a catholic church (if you still go). And if not,
then try a Christian church (four square, or non-denominational) a couple
times. I pray it would change your life and your attitude towards it.



i'd
re-read what you wrote highlighting all the parts where you said
"buffoon,
idiot, etc"

Never said idiot.

and then look at mine,

I did look at yours and it says "children need to be taught how to be
adulterers and whoremongers, then the world would be alot *explitive*
better". e.g.

yes. that's exactly my point. why are you hung up on sex? is it any
different from the dentist shoving his drill inside your mouth? his
finger
goes in, it does its job. done. is it any different than having a test
for
prostate cancer? a piece of flesh goes in your ass. what's the
difference
on a purely detached level?

The difference is this: There is no difference except that a rule has been
put over it. That's all, someone said "don't do it". No reason, except
that I said "don't do it". For example, I actually think the apple on tree
had no chemical or otherwise different physical quality about it that made
it "forbidden". I think God just took an ordinary apple (or pear, or
whatever), and simply put this rule on it: "don't eat it". You can see the
test was: will my creation obey me simply if I just tell them this rule?
Well you know the story, we didn't pass the test. As soon as they bit it
and ate of it, there "eyes were opened". I don't think any chemical
reaction in the apple made this happen. It was simply, "oh, this is what it
feels like to break a rule? I'm a little scared now, what's going to
happen?" is what I can hear Adam and Eve saying. With this new found
braveness that they found, rebellion or independence if you will, came a new
knowledge--the knowledge of "I think I'm all grown up now, and I do what I
want to do." This is similar to how parents have this better knowledge of
life than compared to their children's. The parents have this knowledge of
"good and evil" if you will, compared to the innocence of their children's.

well, one has pleasure. (maybe both do, i've
never had a prostate exam so what does the church do when it sees
pleasure??

two type of pleasure here. Pleasure in the glory of God, or pleasure in the
glory of your own stinking flesh. Flesh is temp, God is forever. It's okay
to entertain some pleasures of the flesh, but we are not to be gluttons of
it (e.i adulturous, whoremongers).

STAMPS IT OUT. pleasure must only be found in the big black
book of death.

big black book of life.



All you people who disagree should die, otherwise this will
never happen.

Tell me if I got it wrong.

i'm fine with people disagreeing. i'd just wish they'd come over for tea
so
i could teach them about fornicating.

Oooh tea? What's your fav? I enjoy a nice green tea and Barooti blend. Oh
yes, and we could talk about fornicating and all the pain and death it
brings and how we used to do it but we've since changed and seen the
light and how much more happier and fulfilled we are now.




and tell me who's the one that is sadly
mistaken.


Peace out man, and stay away from the whores.

i don't even know what a whore is.

I would probably say, just your average adulterer. Do you maintain a good
definition of adulterer?

well, we disagree. in the end, it was somewhat civil too. it's amazing
what happens to people when they engage in non-flaming dialogue. for that,
i thank you. i'm not an organized religious person. as you stated, you
have rules that have been stated that you follow, and that makes you happy.
i have chosen a different path that makes me happy. peace to you.






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"nightwriter" wrote in message
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with it--in my own house. Although, I do tell him,
"respect
those
around
you, and don't talk like this in class. On the
playground
is
okay."

Because you and I know, on the playground they're
already
hearing
the
real
words from 4th, 5th, and 6th graders. So, now maybe
they'll
hear
the
substitutes from my 3rd grader and it'll rub off.


It's much easier to call someone an ASShole than an
ASSpirin
when
they
just cut you off on the highway, you know?


Actually, I prefer the Nick Burns approach and say
"Son
of
uhhh".
That's
easier to me, and much nicer than finishing it off.

If it works, then it's a blessing. And if you're boy is
keen
already,
then
more
power to the lad! To be honest, just reading that you
and
the
boy
actually
play games together says much about your character

Doesn't say anything bad, I hope. For my son's sake, I
wish
his
mom
would
get her act together. But you'll often find people who
just
refuse
to
grow
up.

Sorry to hear about the split.

Ahh, that's way far in the past now. Life goes on.

My friend went through it recently and they've got three
kids...
ironically, his wife has three boyfriends. Ouch. ~ SB

What a whore. Whores shouldn't have kids. But before you
find
out
who
the
whores are, usually its too late.

whores? what a derogatory term that is gender specific,
tearing
women
down.

(tearing?) No, not women--just whores.

if you were single, wouldn't you like to be testing the
waters
too?

Believe me when I was single, I was a whore--then I had
kids--then
I
STOPPED
being a whore. It sounds like even with kids, she's STILL a
whore
(or
began
being one).

you
have no idea she's ****ing them.

I'll consider a women who courts, or leads men on (many of
them
simultaneously, no less), to be a whore. Having kids makes it
worse--she
needs to set an example. At least when I was whore I had no
kids.
Strictly
speaking, if she's not humping them, then she's a nasty tease.
But
I
won't
give her the benefit of the doubt, and just call her a whore.
I
feel
(yes
you disagree) the only reason for divorce is cheating, or
constant
physical
abuse. If her husband didn't cheat on or beat her, then I
have
no
respect
for her (or him, if he left her)--especially breaking a family
and
leaving/taking three kids with/away from their dad--just so
she
can
dick
around with three guys at once.

I said it once before and I'll say it again--whore. Got a
problem
with
that? That's nice.

i love the way language denotes ignorance.

I love the way language denotes ignorance too. Cool, we're
twins.

women should steer clear of you.

No, just the whores.

honestly dude, i'm not saying this as some newsgroup flame, but
you
should
really really talk to someone about your misogyny. it's
apparant
all
through your post, you really don't like women. wanting to
control
who
they
have sex with, assuming that those who hang out with guys but
DON'T
****
them are teases, but if they do **** them they're whores... you
don't
give
them any room. and the last time i checked, having children
doesn't
mean
you should stop ****ing. and 'setting an example'?? your
children
must
be
totally wrecked and that's why you need to talk to a counsellor
of
some
kind, honestly. sex is healthy, fun, the second strongest drive
after
survival in the entire species, exciting, inspiring, delicious
and
nutritious. why deny anyone sex? why call someone a whore for
enjoying
sex? people like you are the ones who enforce a fictitious rule
on
who/what/how much sex someone is entitled to have. it stems
from
males
wanting to control female sexuality (ie. whore, slut, tramp,
dirty,
etc ---
now find one like that for a guy -- if you can't, one must
wonder
why
these
terms were invented, what was/is their purpose? if you need to
figure
it
out, post back and i'll help), and secondly, it stems from
jealousy.
if
we
taught kids to beat off and love their cock/pussy, the world
would
be
a
LOT
LESS ****ED up.


Wow, you got some issues don't you. The way you have this
perverted,
corrupted lens through which you view the world and those around
you,
wow.
The one that got me the most was how you completely reached into
the
darkness and pulled out from your bowels the one where I
suppossedly
told
you that sex is/bad wrong.

so why would you call someone a whore? isn't a 'whore' someone who
likes
sex?

All whores like sex (arguably). All those who like sex are NOT
whores.
I
love sex with my wife, yet I'm not a whore. Sounds like you haven't
been
through university.

but you're not meaning whore in a good way, you're implying a
negative
connotation. so, in essence, you're saying 'sex is bad'.

Uhh, no. That's your problem--putting words in others mouths. It
wouldn't
be so bad if you put the coreect words in peoples mouths.

Anything "whore" is negative, yes, that's a given. Unless you're you.
Then
whoring is a joyous thing, frolicing and sexing with anything and
everyone--just like in Soddom and, you know. What happend to that
place?
Oh but wait you evolved from a rock, so those "male, chauvinist,
fairy-tales" don't apply to you. Yes, agreed. I can tell you havn't
applied them to you.

To sum up--sex good, with spouse. sex bad with everyone else. Hard
for
you
to grasp, yes I know. I just want to control everything and everyone.

it's not too
difficult to string these two together.

For most of us it's difficult to come up with stuff out of thin air,
but
for
you it comes quite easy.



Your complete twisting, and gross lack of
comprehension you have gets applauded from me as being one the
greatest
eff-ups I've seen in a while here in this or any other ng.

"last time i checked, having children doesn't mean you should stop
****ing."

When did I say once you have kids, to stop the humping? Lord
forbid
we
can
have sex with our marital partners, huh? You're sucha toon. But
I'll
entertain you some more.

and 'setting an example'?? your children must be
totally wrecked and that's why you need to talk to a counsellor
of
some
kind, honestly.

Why? Is this what talking to a counselor has done for you? Left
you
blind
and stupid, with no sense? In that case I'll leave the counselor
for
you.
I would not want to become as inside out as you.

sex is healthy, fun,

Indeed it is, with the one you love wholeheartedly, as an
experience
to
be
SACRED and special between two married heterosexual adults.

ohhhhhhhhh.... i must be in the wrong room. i didn't see 'deluded'
above
the door.

When one is deluded, it has hard to see the various signs on the doors
(regardless what they say)

you sound religious.

Probably just as much as you do. You ever looked into/studied
evolution
_really_ hard?...

starts with the big bang. at that point, logic/reason/science fly out
the
window, and everything is possible, including gods.



mary magdelene would be proud of your use
of the word 'whore'.

Mary told her people at this wedding where Jesus performed his first
miracle, "Whatever this man says to do, you do." Then later on in the
temple Jesus went about rebuking and name-calling everyone there who
was
engaged in making that holy place a "den of thieves" by basically
setting
up
ebay. So as far as rebuking everyone who's evil (yes, this includes
myself
at times), then you're right! Mary would be proud of me! There's
nothing
wrong with calling things the way they are.




the second strongest drive after
survival in the entire species,

Ohh, so you're one of _them_... It sounds like we could start
getting
religous on each other pretty soon (or already). We should move
this
to
alt.origins, or aetheism, agnostic?


i thought i was when i looked at the NG's it's posted in:
playstation2,
xbox, nintendo, and misc.kids. NONE of those things has anything to
do
with
power and control.

Playstation doesn't want to "control" the hand-held market--just like
Nintendo? Xbox doesn't want "power" in Japan? Probably misc.kids is
the
only thing that is exempt. Just a detail that your wrong about.

semantics.





exciting, inspiring, delicious and
nutritious. why deny anyone sex?

What a frikin bafoon. How have I denied anyone sex? I never
said,
"Don't
start a family, don't enjoy your husband or wife." You're
implying
that
I'm
frowning on sex before/after marriage--I am. Then say that. But
to
say
exactly "why deny anyone sex?" is to ask a question in response to
something
I never said.

you're implying that a woman shouldn't have sex with men other than
her
ex-husband/father of children, because she has kids. so you're
saying
she
shouldn't ****. you're denying her pleasure.

No. She deined herself pleasure, when she messed up. And anyway she
could
always re-marry. But that's beside the point, you want to live in a
lawless
world where rampant self worship goes unchecked.


that's stretching it. but people engaged in pleasure at no one else's
expense? yeah, i'm all for being happy as long as no one else gets
hurt.
any god that was loving would insist on it. IMO.

Sure two consenting adults (unmarried) having a freak fest, probably ain't
hurting anyone else (yeah, right, almost ALWAYS does affect other people,
but I'll stretch it here just for you). But that's not to say that they
aren't being affected in unseen ways themselves, emotionally,
psychologically, etc. etc (not to mention the infamous physically).

My God who _is_ loving does insist on it. He said "go forth in the Earth
and multiply in it and subdue it." He just said go and make love and fill
the Earth. But 'ol nightwriter likes to read that as ORGY!. This is how
we
know it's not ORGY. Because He says elswhere "do not commit adultury" (10
cmds). Then later he says, "any man who lust after a woman with his eyes,
has committed adultery in his heart" (Jesus, New test) He's talking
outside
of your wife.

Can't all the sexual satisfaction you need be gotten with your one and
only
wife? Not according to you, yes I know. That's what the devil wants to
do--twist and corrupt God's program--he's a hacker. He see's that the
rules
states "sex with wife, beatiful, good, right, so be it". So the devil
hacks
it to "sex before marriage, with many partners, good, beautiful, so be it.
Sex with wife--bad, boring, NOT fun, so be it" Because you know the devil
hates God's, 'cause God gets all the worship, not him. And he can't
stand--wants to kill us--cause if he don't get praise, then "NO ONE WILL
BWAA HA HA HA!!!"

Part of how he does this is hacking the code, hacking the rules. Because
he
understand how much God is a perfection freak, and wants everything to run
smoothly and His way.

Seriously we need to move this to alt.God or something.




Where no one is denied
"their" pleasure, their worship, their self-gratification. There was
another religous figure who wanted that too (besides God), I wonder
who
that
was.... Anyway.


it's not about 'pleasure' per se. it's about experience. about seeing
and
tasting and touching everything that this big fat glorious world
provides.

Yeah, Satan I hear you. But God says "I put you in this world, but you
are
not OF this world, for this world is evil."

"Resist temptation. It isn't I who tempts you, but the enemy."

Short point, you can have joy in God, without having to break his rules
all
the time.



And also, there is great pleasure and joy in Jesus, the Christ, Lord
my
God.
Although, the likes of you would want me to believe that the only
pleasure
worth having is this "fleeting" pleasure, here found on Earth, you
know,
whoring and such. But God says that a "man doesn't live by bread
alone,
but
by every word that flows from the mouth of God." But you probably
couldn't
understand a statement like that? He talks about those too who have
ears
but cannot hear...

that's my point: do you call men whores too?

Have you been reading my posts?! I've called former self a whore a few
times already!




that's what religion does, i
guess.

Makes the losers like you angry and furious to the point of death and
destruction?

like good ol' georgie bush using the name of god to destroy god's
children
in other parts of the world? yeah, i'll take my religion over that
two-faced hypocrisy any day of the week, including sunday.

Yes, pitty the soul who kills in the name of God. I'm not sure this is
what
georgie has done--taking the name of the Lord to move his war? But war,
death, and destruction, we've already established--bad. Hmmm, isn't this
what muslims do? Take the name of their prophet to kill?

And yes I know the God of the Old Testement killed and went to war and
everyhting (something about blood shed being necessary for sin). But
After
Jesus came and died on the cross (New Testament) the blood was shed once
and
for all. So, no my God doesn't start/go to wars anymore or condone
murder!



Yeah I know it has that affect on some people. I bet your
blood is boiling right now, huh? Can't stand it. Probably take a
swing
at
me if we were in person, huh? Or shoot me when no one was looking. I
know
all about the hate you have for my God, it's well documented.



And no, man, I don't want to control anyone. How'd you come up
with
that
one.

the use of the word 'whore' to describe a woman is a way to control
female
sexuality. it creates a 'normal' woman (one who engages in sex with
one
man
at one time while married) and tells women who aren't 'normal' that
they're
whores for stepping outside the rules men have placed on them.

Man, it sounds like _you've_ been going to those counselors you were
trying
to sell me on. Whoah, they got you good.

you didn't go to university i take it.

Graduated 4 year accredited university with a BS in computer science,
emphesis in physics and math. Work now making playstation2 games.
Boy,
you're pretty self-centered and ignorant aren't you?

uhhhh, sure... i hope that's what my posts convey.



That's how I know so well about your twistedness, I've been in the
belly
of
the beast and still am, being around such losers as yourself.

so why do you work? why are you earning this money? why are you not a
monk? for pleasure, perhaps? for these dens of thieves that capitalism
has
created? i don't understand, oh pious one, how you can condemn women
for
****ing outside marriage (and men, too?), while you set about
profiteering
in the name of....? profit? pleasure? material comfort? why aren't
you
giving your salary to the poor? hypocrisy

What makes you think I don't give to the needy?! That I don't give a
percentage of my yearly earnings to the Church!? Never once do I claim to
be perfect however! How quick we are to jump to conclusions about people!
It's better for me to know the Truth and _try_ to live it everyday and
fail
sometimes, than to be blind and dwell in darkness and be evil.

There's nothing wrong with working. God says "the workman is worthy of
his
meat."


You know you
could repent? It doesn't have to be this way? Then we could be
life-long
brothers?

my god/s would never deny his/her people pleasure, beauty, freedom and
life.

Funny, my God doesn't deny His people anyhting either--He gives the gift
of
free, everlasting, infinite life! What's more is so nice you can choose
to
say "no." Although what idiot in all creation would not want to bend a
knee
and say "yes!"???!!!

if xtianity decides to make another paradigm shift for the better, i'll
look
into it.

Yes, put an X where Christ should be. Everyone wants to get Him out of
everything. But you're right Christianity would never give you what you
would want--for you to be your own god. My God is jealous and doesn't
share
power with anyone! You would have to bend your knees and bow before Him
and
claim Him you Master, and that you live for Him and not yourself anymore.
But don't let the devil hear you say that, he'll start to come after you.
And who would want to stop living forthemselves? No one I know is so
self-less, they all want to go orgy.





It's unbelievable. So lost are we? Do ever have suicidal
tendencies?
Too many demons pent up? Life in your shoes must be very
sickening.
How
much longer will you allow yourself to be tormented. I bet you
have
musch
hate for the world, don't you. You've already answered that for
me.

i love the world so much

yeah right.

that it breaks my heart to see ignorant men

...not fornicating left and right?

is there a difference in fulfilling a sexual desire and fulfilling a
desire
for a really sweet dessert? on an organic/philosophical level, there is
none whatsoever. do you also deny yourself sweets? laughter? what do
you
think when you look at a really sexy 16 year old? do you hate yourself?

see my pontifacting on "difference" below.




treating women like ****

You need to talk to my wife, better yet just talk to *anyone* who
doesn't
have a PhD in MindF**k.

simply because they're bitter, sex-less nutbars

What a small perception you have on the world. Just because some one
isn't
a whoremonger, they're automatically a "bitter, sex-less nutbar."?
You're
lame.


okay, unfair jab. my bad.


who've gotten too wrapped up in religion and too far away from the
joy
of
life.

Not wrapped up in religion--it's more of a "relationship." And NOT
far
away
from the joy of life--but right in the middle of it

but nice observation. do you think my post is about hate?

Yes, hate for those who aren't self worshipping whoremongers.

not hate. i took issue with your use of the word 'whore'. it's a
hate-filled word. the rest of my feelings on it are well documented in
my
posts. why aren't you able to see that calling someone a 'whore' is
hateful? is it because your religion allows it? encourages it? i went
to
a private catholic boys school. (insert pedophile joke here). i know
well
how the church pushes hardest against the greatest pleasures, leaving
humanity with nothing but a vacuous life full of a meaningless and dead
god
that preaches hatred and diversity.

All you had to do way in the beginning was say that one word and it would
have explained a lot for me: catholic. I really hope my catholic brothers
are coming around, and I feel nowadays they are, but before, oh my gosh.

You need to get out of a catholic church (if you still go). And if not,
then try a Christian church (four square, or non-denominational) a couple
times. I pray it would change your life and your attitude towards it.



i'd
re-read what you wrote highlighting all the parts where you said
"buffoon,
idiot, etc"

Never said idiot.

and then look at mine,

I did look at yours and it says "children need to be taught how to be
adulterers and whoremongers, then the world would be alot *explitive*
better". e.g.

yes. that's exactly my point. why are you hung up on sex? is it any
different from the dentist shoving his drill inside your mouth? his
finger
goes in, it does its job. done. is it any different than having a test
for
prostate cancer? a piece of flesh goes in your ass. what's the
difference
on a purely detached level?

The difference is this: There is no difference except that a rule has
been
put over it. That's all, someone said "don't do it". No reason, except
that I said "don't do it". For example, I actually think the apple on
tree
had no chemical or otherwise different physical quality about it that made
it "forbidden". I think God just took an ordinary apple (or pear, or
whatever), and simply put this rule on it: "don't eat it". You can see
the
test was: will my creation obey me simply if I just tell them this rule?
Well you know the story, we didn't pass the test. As soon as they bit it
and ate of it, there "eyes were opened". I don't think any chemical
reaction in the apple made this happen. It was simply, "oh, this is what
it
feels like to break a rule? I'm a little scared now, what's going to
happen?" is what I can hear Adam and Eve saying. With this new found
braveness that they found, rebellion or independence if you will, came a
new
knowledge--the knowledge of "I think I'm all grown up now, and I do what I
want to do." This is similar to how parents have this better knowledge of
life than compared to their children's. The parents have this knowledge
of
"good and evil" if you will, compared to the innocence of their
children's.

well, one has pleasure. (maybe both do, i've
never had a prostate exam so what does the church do when it sees
pleasure??

two type of pleasure here. Pleasure in the glory of God, or pleasure in
the
glory of your own stinking flesh. Flesh is temp, God is forever. It's
okay
to entertain some pleasures of the flesh, but we are not to be gluttons of
it (e.i adulturous, whoremongers).

STAMPS IT OUT. pleasure must only be found in the big black
book of death.

big black book of life.



All you people who disagree should die, otherwise this will
never happen.

Tell me if I got it wrong.

i'm fine with people disagreeing. i'd just wish they'd come over for
tea
so
i could teach them about fornicating.

Oooh tea? What's your fav? I enjoy a nice green tea and Barooti blend.
Oh
yes, and we could talk about fornicating and all the pain and death it
brings and how we used to do it but we've since changed and seen the
light and how much more happier and fulfilled we are now.




and tell me who's the one that is sadly
mistaken.


Peace out man, and stay away from the whores.

i don't even know what a whore is.

I would probably say, just your average adulterer. Do you maintain a good
definition of adulterer?

umm.... I once had a pet turtle when I was six. It got out of its little playpark
and we looked everywhere for it.

We found it the following summer under the stairs in the cellar. It looked
like a toy, or worse, jerky.

Dad took him out and buried him in a Q-Tip box in the yard.

Now, can you both just kindly shake and call it a truce, please?

The probelm with your arguement is right from the start. The wrong word
was perhaps used. The woman is not exactly a "whore" by definition,
she's actually more of a slut - but only if she is sexually misleading the
other men. If she's just out for kicks and everyone's having a good time,
then she is otherwise known as a human being. I'm trying hard to be one
these days, myself! hehe

xo

db

"Robert P Holley" wrote in message
...
"nightwriter" wrote in message
le.rogers.com...
well, we disagree. in the end, it was somewhat civil too. it's amazing
what happens to people when they engage in non-flaming dialogue. for
that,
i thank you. i'm not an organized religious person. as you stated, you
have rules that have been stated that you follow, and that makes you
happy.
i have chosen a different path that makes me happy. peace to you.

From what I could tell following this thread it seems Mike goes to the
extremes. Before he was married, he ****ed anything that walked (or at
least wanted too). Very extreme. Now that he's gotten married and found
God, he's become extreme in the other direction.



prodigal son syndrome?