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The Amount of Support, Cost to CP and NCP, and Tax Benefits
This is a curiosity for me.
Does anyone have knowledge/web links/etc about just how much it costs for the CP and the NCP to support a child? Obviously the cost to the NCP is on paper (in the court order) for all to see. Please assume an NCP with 0% visitation: in my case, I stipulated to paternity and took no demonstrated interest in being part of the child's life since I was separated by half a globe, but since returning to the U.S. even to live in the same city as the child, on occasion I have bought a birthday gift. Please also consider or factor in the fact that the CP gets all the tax benefits of having the child. How are these things reflected in the guidelines of support set by states for family law judges to follow? |
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The Amount of Support, Cost to CP and NCP, and Tax Benefits
"John Doe" wrote in message ... Does anyone have knowledge/web links/etc about just how much it costs for the CP and the NCP to support a child? interesting ... that's a good question --- i would assume it would be a 50/50 split but it gets more complicated when you figure in mutually shared expenses for the kids like housing for one and like you mentioned the tax situation if anyone knows the answer on that one, i'd be interested in hearing it too dC |
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The Amount of Support, Cost to CP and NCP, and Tax Benefits
I can tell you that it isn't just an automatic 50/50. My husband's support
order says that he is to pay 85% plus health-dental-vision insurance! "dC" wrote in message ... "John Doe" wrote in message ... Does anyone have knowledge/web links/etc about just how much it costs for the CP and the NCP to support a child? interesting ... that's a good question --- i would assume it would be a 50/50 split but it gets more complicated when you figure in mutually shared expenses for the kids like housing for one and like you mentioned the tax situation if anyone knows the answer on that one, i'd be interested in hearing it too dC |
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The Amount of Support, Cost to CP and NCP, and Tax Benefits
"John Doe" wrote in message ... This is a curiosity for me. Does anyone have knowledge/web links/etc about just how much it costs for the CP and the NCP to support a child? Obviously the cost to the NCP is on paper (in the court order) for all to see. Please assume an NCP with 0% visitation: in my case, I stipulated to paternity and took no demonstrated interest in being part of the child's life since I was separated by half a globe, but since returning to the U.S. even to live in the same city as the child, on occasion I have bought a birthday gift. Please also consider or factor in the fact that the CP gets all the tax benefits of having the child. How are these things reflected in the guidelines of support set by states for family law judges to follow? USDA puts out an annual report on Expenditures on Children by Families. It reports what parents actually report they spend in intact and single families. The report is used as the basis for the CS income shares model. While this report is the best information available it only reports what CP's say they spend. It does not cover what an NCP might spend. Here is where to find the report: http://www.usda.gov/cnpp/using2.html Research reported by Dr. Braver at Arizona State University in his most recent book indicates nearly 30% of the children's costs travel with the children. To my knowledge only Arizona has attempted to identify and consider the NCP costs in their CS guidelines. |
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The Amount of Support, Cost to CP and NCP, and Tax Benefits
Man those figures are really high. Even deducting the Child Care
expenses from how much they say is spent total, it's twice what I spent if not more. Bob Whiteside wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... This is a curiosity for me. Does anyone have knowledge/web links/etc about just how much it costs for the CP and the NCP to support a child? Obviously the cost to the NCP is on paper (in the court order) for all to see. Please assume an NCP with 0% visitation: in my case, I stipulated to paternity and took no demonstrated interest in being part of the child's life since I was separated by half a globe, but since returning to the U.S. even to live in the same city as the child, on occasion I have bought a birthday gift. Please also consider or factor in the fact that the CP gets all the tax benefits of having the child. How are these things reflected in the guidelines of support set by states for family law judges to follow? USDA puts out an annual report on Expenditures on Children by Families. It reports what parents actually report they spend in intact and single families. The report is used as the basis for the CS income shares model. While this report is the best information available it only reports what CP's say they spend. It does not cover what an NCP might spend. Here is where to find the report: http://www.usda.gov/cnpp/using2.html Research reported by Dr. Braver at Arizona State University in his most recent book indicates nearly 30% of the children's costs travel with the children. To my knowledge only Arizona has attempted to identify and consider the NCP costs in their CS guidelines. |
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The Amount of Support, Cost to CP and NCP, and Tax Benefits
"Virginia" wrote in message et... Man those figures are really high. Even deducting the Child Care expenses from how much they say is spent total, it's twice what I spent if not more. That's why the fathers complain about the level of CS awards based on this data. The two largest expenditures, housing and transportation, are based on marginal expenditures. That means the more expensive the mortgage or rent, and the more expensive the car payments and insurance, the more can be allocated to the children. A CP mother of two is allowed to allocate 2/3 of her housing and transportation expenditures to the cost of raising children. Stated another way, the CP mother's expenses are considered equal to those of a child. Practically, almost anyone would agree it takes more money to support an adult than to support a child, but that is not the logic behind these expenditures that are used for setting CS guidelines. The "experts" claim they make "adjustments" for these factors, but they do not publish anything definitive about what they do or how they do it. The other flaw is healthcare and child care expenses are included in the numbers, but for CS award calculations these expense categories are add-on amounts. That means CS awards for healthcare and child care are paid twice - once in the base award and a second time as an add-on amount. |
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The Amount of Support, Cost to CP and NCP, and Tax Benefits
Man those figures are really high. Even deducting the Child Care
expenses from how much they say is spent total, it's twice what I spent if not more. And isn't it distressing to think how many Federal and State programs are based on those numbers? And not just those focused on NCP's but also the ones we ALL pay for. Mel Gamble Bob Whiteside wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... This is a curiosity for me. Does anyone have knowledge/web links/etc about just how much it costs for the CP and the NCP to support a child? Obviously the cost to the NCP is on paper (in the court order) for all to see. Please assume an NCP with 0% visitation: in my case, I stipulated to paternity and took no demonstrated interest in being part of the child's life since I was separated by half a globe, but since returning to the U.S. even to live in the same city as the child, on occasion I have bought a birthday gift. Please also consider or factor in the fact that the CP gets all the tax benefits of having the child. How are these things reflected in the guidelines of support set by states for family law judges to follow? USDA puts out an annual report on Expenditures on Children by Families. It reports what parents actually report they spend in intact and single families. The report is used as the basis for the CS income shares model. While this report is the best information available it only reports what CP's say they spend. It does not cover what an NCP might spend. Here is where to find the report: http://www.usda.gov/cnpp/using2.html Research reported by Dr. Braver at Arizona State University in his most recent book indicates nearly 30% of the children's costs travel with the children. To my knowledge only Arizona has attempted to identify and consider the NCP costs in their CS guidelines. |
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The Amount of Support, Cost to CP and NCP, and Tax Benefits
Man those figures are really high. Even deducting the Child Care
expenses from how much they say is spent total, it's twice what I spent if not more. And isn't it distressing to think how many Federal and State programs are based on those numbers? And not just those focused on NCP's but also the ones we ALL pay for. Mel Gamble Bob Whiteside wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... This is a curiosity for me. Does anyone have knowledge/web links/etc about just how much it costs for the CP and the NCP to support a child? Obviously the cost to the NCP is on paper (in the court order) for all to see. Please assume an NCP with 0% visitation: in my case, I stipulated to paternity and took no demonstrated interest in being part of the child's life since I was separated by half a globe, but since returning to the U.S. even to live in the same city as the child, on occasion I have bought a birthday gift. Please also consider or factor in the fact that the CP gets all the tax benefits of having the child. How are these things reflected in the guidelines of support set by states for family law judges to follow? USDA puts out an annual report on Expenditures on Children by Families. It reports what parents actually report they spend in intact and single families. The report is used as the basis for the CS income shares model. While this report is the best information available it only reports what CP's say they spend. It does not cover what an NCP might spend. Here is where to find the report: http://www.usda.gov/cnpp/using2.html Research reported by Dr. Braver at Arizona State University in his most recent book indicates nearly 30% of the children's costs travel with the children. To my knowledge only Arizona has attempted to identify and consider the NCP costs in their CS guidelines. |
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