Draconian? Or Loving Parent?

"Robyn Kozierok" wrote in message
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animzmirot wrote:

In our case, we've told DS that there is no way in hell that he's getting
a
drivers license until he's out of college. I won't sign for it, he'll be
only 20 when he's done with college snip

His sister, who is a space queen and should have been born blond, will
not
get a license until she's 21 since she refuses to wear her glasses and
can't
be trusted for a second to try contacts. Life does have it's benefits
living
with neurologically impaired kids.

Would they even need your consent once they reach 18?

Yes, they do need consent and they're not going to get it.


I mean, you can decline to pay for driver's ed, not pay to insure them
or allow them to use your car, which would be pretty effective
deterrents for most young adults, but "I won't sign for it" doesn't
seem like it would be likely to work over the age of 18.

I think it depends upon the state you live in. I don't know, but where I am,
they need permission and they're not getting it.

Further, if a young person shouldn't drive because of neurological
issues, will reaching age 20 or 21 make a difference? If there is an
issue of neurologically-based poor judgement such as with the impulsive
type of ADHD, I'm not at all convinced that "maturing" makes a
sufficient difference. This is based on observation of some young
adults I know with ADHD.

Does age make a difference? I don't know that either. I've heard plenty of
anecdotal info that some kids do outgrow ADHD, but I am skeptical. Is there
a natural maturing process? I do believe there is. I have certainly seen it
with my kid, but he's till pretty impulsive around some things. I think that
the medications nowadays are so much more effective than they used to be,
and if there is a great neuropsych on the case, you can live a pretty normal
existance with a minimum of medication intervention.

If an eye doctor can say that someone should not be permitted to drive
without corrective lenses (which I believe they can do), should a
neurologist be able to say that someone should not be permitted to drive
if not on certain medication, or at all? Is there a mechanism for them
to do this? I realize that taking medication is harder confirm than
wearing glasses...


Yes, ANY doctor can notify the dept of motor vehicles and have your license
removed. I no longer drive due to health problems. It isn't medications that
are the issue, it's being safe and alert. I no longer miss driving, since I
have a car service that drives me where I want to go when I want to go, and
it's so much more convenient... no parking hassles, etc. Plus, I can read
while I'm in the car. Heaven!

Your dept of motor vehicles has a list of illnesses that automatically
remove your driving privileges. When you apply for a handicap tag for
parking, they have a form that the doctor fills out and it rates the
severity of your illness. If you rate as severe, then you can't use your
driving license, but you can use your handicap tags for parking in other
automobiles.

As for the glasses thing, DD will eventually be ready to wear contacts and
not lose them on a daily basis, and when that happens, she can drive. Until
that time, if she refuses to wear her glasses, it's her problem. She knows
the rules, she knows she's not going to pass any vision test, and she's made
that decision without my intervention. I think it's stupid, but it's also a
moot point since she can't even think about driving for another 3.5 years.

Marjorie

In article ,
"animzmirot" wrote:

Would they even need your consent once they reach 18?

Yes, they do need consent and they're not going to get it.


I mean, you can decline to pay for driver's ed, not pay to insure them
or allow them to use your car, which would be pretty effective
deterrents for most young adults, but "I won't sign for it" doesn't
seem like it would be likely to work over the age of 18.

I think it depends upon the state you live in. I don't know, but where I am,
they need permission and they're not getting it.

Where do you live that the kids need parental permission until they are
21? Just curious, because I've never seen that.
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

In ,
animzmirot wrote:

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*"Robyn Kozierok" wrote in message
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* Would they even need your consent once they reach 18?
*
*Yes, they do need consent and they're not going to get it.
*
* I mean, you can decline to pay for driver's ed, not pay to insure them
* or allow them to use your car, which would be pretty effective
* deterrents for most young adults, but "I won't sign for it" doesn't
* seem like it would be likely to work over the age of 18.
*
*I think it depends upon the state you live in. I don't know, but where I am,
*they need permission and they're not getting it.

Up until what age do they need permission where you live? I'd simply
assumed an 18 year old, being legally adult and able to sign contracts and
all, wouldn't need a parent to co-sign for a driver's license in any
state!


--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

In article ,
Hillary Israeli wrote:

Up until what age do they need permission where you live? I'd simply
assumed an 18 year old, being legally adult and able to sign contracts and
all, wouldn't need a parent to co-sign for a driver's license in any
state!

I believe that this is in fact the case in every US State and Canadian
province. Some states/provinces do have restrictions on young drivers
under 21, but afaict none require parental consent over the age of 18.

--Robyn
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In ,
animzmirot wrote:

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*"Robyn Kozierok" wrote in message
*living
* with neurologically impaired kids.
*
* Would they even need your consent once they reach 18?
*
*Yes, they do need consent and they're not going to get it.

OK. I've had to deal with the DMV in CA and PA and I was pretty sure that
they don't require parental involvement once you hit 18, but I double
checked to be sure, and I'm right. So, maybe it has something to do with
the particular situation you guys have? But it's not a blanket rule. Or I
misremember where you are

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx