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The Question...has it been answered?
Apparently not. But it looks like some folks, a rather large
contingent, think it's somewhere in the infant stage, with whips and switches being used on them for crying. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NGJ4B6UE11.DTL If you don't approve of these things, or just want to know more, visit http://stoptherod.net/ Check out a few links provided on this page. (by the way, a Mule will very likely kill you if you whip it. Or at least kill someone.) "Thank you for your interest in the problem of the baby-whipping book "To Train Up a Child," by Michael and Debi Pearl. This book reads like a child abuse manual. Throughout the book, the Pearls recommend whipping *infants* and young children on their bare skin. They do this for "obedience training," and compare it to training a dog or mule to obtain "instant, unquestioning obedience." They say ALL children need to be whipped with a "rod." They clearly dislike babies calling them "tyrants" "terrorists" "whining, spoiled brats" and "devious", with "criminal minds." According to the Pearls' sick thinking, babies are determined to make parents' lives "as miserable as possible." Obviously the Pearls have not read the New Testament, which contains Jesus' command to "take care that you do not despise one of these little ones!" Mt. 18:10 In fact, the Pearls have no religious credentials whatsoever!! And no child development credentials either. Their first two children are often held up as examples of how baby-whipping "works", but these young people were not subjected to their evil training techniques. " Here are some references: 1) The Pearls recommend whipping infants only a few months old on their bare skin. They describe whipping their own 4 month old daughter (p.9). They recommend whipping the bare skin of "every child" (p.2) for "Christians and non-Christians" (p.5) and for "every transgression" (p.1). Parents who don't whip their babies into complete submission are portrayed as indifferent, lazy, careless and neglectful (p.19) and are "creating a Nazi" (p.45). 2) On p.60 they recommend whipping babies who cannot sleep and are crying, and to never allow them "to get up." On p.61 they recommend whipping a 12 month old girl for crying. On p.79 they recommend whipping a 7 month old for screaming. 3) On p.65 co-author Debi Pearl whips the bare leg of a 15 month old she is babysitting, 10 separate times, for not playing with something she tells him to play with. On p.56 Debi Pearl hits a 2 year old so hard "a karate chop like wheeze came from somewhere deep inside." 4) On p.44 they say not to let the child's crying while being hit to "cause you to lighten up on the intensity or duration of the spanking." On p.59 they recommend whipping a 3 year old until he is "totally broken." 5) On p.55 the Pearls say a mother should hit her child if he cries for her. 6) On p.46 the Pearls say that if a child does obey before being whipped, whip them anyway. And "if you have to sit on him to spank him, then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered. Prove that you are bigger, tougher." "Defeat him totally." On p.80 they recommend giving a child having a tantrum "a swift *forceful* spanking." On the same page they say to whip small children on their bare skin until they stop screaming. "Don't be bullied. Give him more of the same." They say to continue whipping until their crying turns into a "wounded, submissive whimper." 7) On p.47 they recommend their various whips, including "a belt or larger tree branch" to hit children. 8) The Pearls recommend pulling a nursing infant's hair (p.7), and describe tripping their non-swimming toddler so she falls into deep water (p.67). They recommend ignoring an infant's bumped head when he falls to the floor, and ignoring skinned knees (p.86). They also say "if your child is roughed-up by peers, rejoice." (p.81) And on p.103 the Pearls say if children lose their shoes, "let them go without until they (the children) can make the money to buy more." 9) The Pearls claim their "training" methods are Godly, yet they have *no religious training or credentials* They never mention Jesus' injunctions to forgive "seventy times seven" and be merciful, and they decry the "extraordinary ingnorance of modern psychology." The Pearls' methods have resulted in parents being investigated by Child Protective Services, children being taken away from parents, a restraining order against a father, and even a babysitter going to jail on felony charges! Please write a review at Amazon: Pearls Review Form and/or Barnes and Noble: Pearls Review Form The whole book can be read on-line at: Hokkai: Train Up a Child Your review will send a message to those parents who might be tempted to try whipping their babies into total submission! It's even illegal to treat pets that way!! Thank you everyone!! Stop The Rod |
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The Question...has it been answered?
Question: Are there any studies that show the non-cp alternatives are better than spanking under the same statistical analysis? Doan |
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The Question...has it been answered?
Doan wrote:
Question: Are there any studies that show the non-cp alternatives are better than spanking under the same statistical analysis? Doan Sure there are. I'll get back to you just as soon as I write a conclusion unsupported by the data. |
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The Question...has it been answered?
When you reply, be sure to include data from longitudinal studies that
actually show positive non-cp alternatives to be more effective than corporal punishment. I would like to see data, not theorie, and not opinions. I would like you to discuss what "better" means. Do the studies show that children who are corporally punished have better long-term outcomes than children who receive alternative and positive forms of discipline? You know, it's not that hard to hit an individual two, three, or four times the size of an adult into compliance (at least in the presence of the hitter). I want to see the studies that show both short and long term data revealing that corporal punishment has better results than other forms of guidance/discipline. This is a body of research that I have as yet been unable to uncover, so I'm very interested in the references you can provide. LaVonne Opinions wrote: Doan wrote: Question: Are there any studies that show the non-cp alternatives are better than spanking under the same statistical analysis? Doan Sure there are. I'll get back to you just as soon as I write a conclusion unsupported by the data. |
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The Question...has it been answered?
But you are the one who claimed to have posted such studies "numerous times", Lav0nne! Are you admitting that you are a liar? Doan On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Carlson LaVonne wrote: When you reply, be sure to include data from longitudinal studies that actually show positive non-cp alternatives to be more effective than corporal punishment. I would like to see data, not theorie, and not opinions. I would like you to discuss what "better" means. Do the studies show that children who are corporally punished have better long-term outcomes than children who receive alternative and positive forms of discipline? You know, it's not that hard to hit an individual two, three, or four times the size of an adult into compliance (at least in the presence of the hitter). I want to see the studies that show both short and long term data revealing that corporal punishment has better results than other forms of guidance/discipline. This is a body of research that I have as yet been unable to uncover, so I'm very interested in the references you can provide. LaVonne Opinions wrote: Doan wrote: Question: Are there any studies that show the non-cp alternatives are better than spanking under the same statistical analysis? Doan Sure there are. I'll get back to you just as soon as I write a conclusion unsupported by the data. |
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