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Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving
JohnDoe wrote: PeterB wrote: JohnDoe wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: JohnDoe wrote: vakker wrote: If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in? Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting better? Easy - read this: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...x_its_over.php He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. I can imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect. Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think they know it. Excellent points by Orac. If Abraham survives, as all hope he does, I know that the AltNuts will claim it was due to the HOAXsey treatment, when, actually, Abraham is likely receiving radiation and the immunotherapy that Orac describes. One patient's experience can't prove the efficacy of treatment, but in the end, host immunity is the only way to survive cancer. Another avenue for a vaccine.... Vaccine is inferior to natural immune support, which depends mostly on proper nutrition. It may well be that his latest improvement was triggered by an absence of stress (ie., the physical and mental stress of chemotherapy.) Sure. Since stress can cause disease, taking it away can reverse it. Lemme try and follow this 'logic': "since smoking can cause lung cancer, quitting smoking can reverse lung cancer". Shouldn't PeterB get an Ignobel award for these things? Yesterday, you got spanked (twice) for very poor reading skills, and today you are back for more. Again: "Since stress can cause disease, taking it away *can* reverse it." Obviously, the stage of illness determines how effective removal of the disease trigger will be. I bet you walk around with a sticker on your forehead: "How's my English?". Or else you should, since you clearly don't even know the difference between 'can' and 'might'. Johndopey likes banging on his keyboard. Fortunately, they are not expensive. Almost all disease is the product of a stressor. PeterB |
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Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving
"JohnDoe" wrote in message . .. PeterB wrote: JohnDoe wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: PeterB wrote: Mark Probert wrote: JohnDoe wrote: vakker wrote: If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in? Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting better? Easy - read this: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...x_its_over.php He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. I can imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect. Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think they know it. Excellent points by Orac. If Abraham survives, as all hope he does, I know that the AltNuts will claim it was due to the HOAXsey treatment, when, actually, Abraham is likely receiving radiation and the immunotherapy that Orac describes. One patient's experience can't prove the efficacy of treatment, but in the end, host immunity is the only way to survive cancer. Another avenue for a vaccine.... Vaccine is inferior to natural immune support, which depends mostly on proper nutrition. It may well be that his latest improvement was triggered by an absence of stress (ie., the physical and mental stress of chemotherapy.) Sure. Since stress can cause disease, taking it away can reverse it. Lemme try and follow this 'logic': "since smoking can cause lung cancer, quitting smoking can reverse lung cancer". Shouldn't PeterB get an Ignobel award for these things? Yesterday, you got spanked (twice) for very poor reading skills, and today you are back for more. Again: "Since stress can cause disease, taking it away *can* reverse it." Obviously, the stage of illness determines how effective removal of the disease trigger will be. Yesterday, I posted: http://groups.google.com/group/misc....400e9eefb60984 Note how Johnboy aswers for Peter Moran. Easy - read this: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...aham_cherrix_i... By Orac. lol. Orac has a history here of covering for his buddy. Also--he cannot answer for his lies. From his site: Orac is the nom de blog of a humble pseudonymous surgeon/scientist with an ego just big enough to delude himself that someone, somewhere might actually give a rodent's posterior about his miscellaneous verbal meanderings, but just barely small enough to admit to himself that few will. If this new oncologist truly believes that Abraham can be cured with the Hoxsey therapy, he's gone pretty far off the rails of his profession Steven Rosenberg, M.D., chief of surgery at the National Cancer Institute. [very telling, I don't supposed Johnboy would like to show that this is *organized medicine*, or the truth about NCI] I suppose that this settlement is about the best that could be hoped for, given Abraham's age and tenacity. It wouldn't have been practical to tie him down and force him to undergo chemotherapy, and, given the immunosuppression that the chemotherapy would cause, any injury he might suffer resisting could have dire consequences. Sadly, this decision won't save Abraham's life, nor will it get him to see reality. Abraham's invested far too much in his quest now to easily be persuaded that he's made a huge mistake [Orac thinks he knows what wll save Abraham's life] Through all this, I had continued to hope against hope that Abraham would sooner or later realize the mistake he is making, but it's become quite clear that he won't and that he still thinks that he can beat his tumor using the Hoxsey therapy and whatever other stuff his new radiation oncologist plans on giving him. All I can do now is to wish him the best of luck with his cancer and the best of times during the little time he has left to live in this mortal coil--and hope that I'm wrong. It's very unlikely that I am, though. [I wonder if Orac has watched the Hoxsey video??] This is actually a perfect human experiment: 1. If young Abraham does die, then it greatly supports Orac's hypothesis.(chemo good, woo bad) 2. If young Abraham recovers, then it greatly undermines Orac's hypothesis. Why all the handwringing? Just let it play out. Abraham, his parents, the court, the child protective agencies, Dr. Smith should have their answer in a year or so on whether they took appropriate action or irresponsible neglectful action. In fact, if young Abraham survives and thrives, Orac should be the first to admit that his hysteria was ill-founded. Posted by: Martin Ballzer | August 17, 2006 12:53 PM He's not getting a magic potion this time, but treatment that could actually work, although it's not the recommended optimal treatment. And odd enough, it's a treatment that has serious side effects. And the side effects of Chemo and radiation? I can imagine why the Cherrix family doesn't want to comment on that - first they go to court because Abraham doesn't want treatment with serious side effects and then they go for treatment with serious side effect. Basically, they wasted everybody's time, mostly Abraham's, and I think they know it. Of course you do. Alternative Cancer Protocols updated http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=106 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...ey&btnG=Google... http://members.aol.com/publicoccurre...xide/ward.html No response from Johnboy. Is noted. I bet you walk around with a sticker on your forehead: "How's my English?". Or else you should, since you clearly don't even know the difference between 'can' and 'might'. Almost all disease is the product of a stressor. PeterB |
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Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving
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PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article 4zGPg.551428$Mn5.67678@pd7tw3no, vakker wrote: If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in? Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting better? There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs. No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what works best to stimulate and support that response. My claim was accurate -- the rabid alties will give all credit to the herbs and even if he got immunotherapy and radiation and a bunch of other stuff from the Evil MD Empire, that'll get no credit. If Hoxsey is so great, how come Abraham's tumors were getting larger? We don't really know whether he's getting better or not. He claimed he was in the past, even as his tumors got larger. I don't wish him any ill will, but I wouldn't wager any significant sum on his still being alive in five years under his current treatment regimen, either. I won't wanger a significant sum that you'll be saying anything ^^^^^^ Please, I don't want to hear any mention of your genitals. worthwhile on mha in 5 years, either. And I still won't be valuing your opinion. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. I used to think that spammers should be hanged, but I've changed my mind. They should be tortured first. |
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Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving
In message , David Wright
wrote: My claim was accurate -- the rabid alties will give all credit to the herbs and even if he got immunotherapy and radiation and a bunch of other stuff from the Evil MD Empire, that'll get no credit. *If Hoxsey is so great, how come Abraham's tumors were getting larger? And if he dies, it'll be because of the radiation. -- begin signature.exe A:*Because*it*messes*up*the*order*in*which*people* normally*read*text. Q:*Why*is*top-posting*such*a*bad*thing? A:*Top-posting. Q:*What*is*the*most*annoying*thing*on*usenet? |
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Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving
David Wright wrote:
In article . com, PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article 4zGPg.551428$Mn5.67678@pd7tw3no, vakker wrote: If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in? Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting better? There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs. No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what works best to stimulate and support that response. My claim was accurate -- the rabid alties will give all credit to the herbs and even if he got immunotherapy and radiation and a bunch of other stuff from the Evil MD Empire, that'll get no credit. If Hoxsey is so great, how come Abraham's tumors were getting larger? One patient can't prove the efficacy of any given treatment. But cancer is a disease process, so basing prognosis on tumor size at a moment in time is like taking a snapshot of a person minutes before they die in a car crash -- meaningless (unless you can stop the clock.) We don't really know whether he's getting better or not. He claimed he was in the past, even as his tumors got larger. I don't wish him any ill will, but I wouldn't wager any significant sum on his still being alive in five years under his current treatment regimen, either. I won't wanger a significant sum that you'll be saying anything ^^^^^^ Please, I don't want to hear any mention of your genitals. typo. worthwhile on mha in 5 years, either. And I still won't be valuing your opinion. Whose opinion do you value? PeterB |
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Hallelujah! Abraham Cherrix is improving
PeterB wrote:
David Wright wrote: In article . com, PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article 4zGPg.551428$Mn5.67678@pd7tw3no, vakker wrote: If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in? Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting better? There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs. No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what works best to stimulate and support that response. My claim was accurate -- the rabid alties will give all credit to the herbs and even if he got immunotherapy and radiation and a bunch of other stuff from the Evil MD Empire, that'll get no credit. If Hoxsey is so great, how come Abraham's tumors were getting larger? One patient can't prove the efficacy of any given treatment. But cancer is a disease process, so basing prognosis on tumor size at a moment in time is like taking a snapshot of a person minutes before they die in a car crash -- meaningless (unless you can stop the clock.) Idiot. You seem to be getting worse by the hour. Nobody is basing a prognosis on tumor *size*. It's about tumor *growth* or *shrinkage*. Or stasis of course. You don't do that with a 'snapshot'. Now please don't tell me you don't know how to judge if something is growing or shrinking over time. That would be stupid even by your usual standard. BTW, if a tumor is growing, do you consider that good, bad or meaningless news? What if it's shrinking? We don't really know whether he's getting better or not. He claimed he was in the past, even as his tumors got larger. I don't wish him any ill will, but I wouldn't wager any significant sum on his still being alive in five years under his current treatment regimen, either. I won't wanger a significant sum that you'll be saying anything ^^^^^^ Please, I don't want to hear any mention of your genitals. typo. worthwhile on mha in 5 years, either. And I still won't be valuing your opinion. Whose opinion do you value? PeterB |
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JohnDoe wrote: PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article . com, PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article 4zGPg.551428$Mn5.67678@pd7tw3no, vakker wrote: If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in? Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting better? There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs. No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what works best to stimulate and support that response. My claim was accurate -- the rabid alties will give all credit to the herbs and even if he got immunotherapy and radiation and a bunch of other stuff from the Evil MD Empire, that'll get no credit. If Hoxsey is so great, how come Abraham's tumors were getting larger? One patient can't prove the efficacy of any given treatment. But cancer is a disease process, so basing prognosis on tumor size at a moment in time is like taking a snapshot of a person minutes before they die in a car crash -- meaningless (unless you can stop the clock.) Idiot. You seem to be getting worse by the hour. Nobody is basing a prognosis on tumor *size*. It's about tumor *growth* or *shrinkage*. Or stasis of course. You don't do that with a 'snapshot'. Now please don't tell me you don't know how to judge if something is growing or shrinking over time. That would be stupid even by your usual standard. BTW, if a tumor is growing, do you consider that good, bad or meaningless news? What if it's shrinking? Let's take your brain as an example. If shrinkage is occuring over time, which it definitely is, then it's certainly a good thing, since in due course, even the gurgling sounds it makes are likely to stop. The question, however, is whether your end game is associated with the fact you have been chewing gum while waiting to completely fizzle out, or whether it was your exposure to pharmaceuticals over the same time frame, in which case I would have to say that your stupidity is definitely by prescription. PeterB |
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PeterB wrote: JohnDoe wrote: PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article . com, PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article 4zGPg.551428$Mn5.67678@pd7tw3no, vakker wrote: If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in? Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting better? There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs. No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what works best to stimulate and support that response. My claim was accurate -- the rabid alties will give all credit to the herbs and even if he got immunotherapy and radiation and a bunch of other stuff from the Evil MD Empire, that'll get no credit. If Hoxsey is so great, how come Abraham's tumors were getting larger? One patient can't prove the efficacy of any given treatment. But cancer is a disease process, so basing prognosis on tumor size at a moment in time is like taking a snapshot of a person minutes before they die in a car crash -- meaningless (unless you can stop the clock.) Idiot. You seem to be getting worse by the hour. Nobody is basing a prognosis on tumor *size*. It's about tumor *growth* or *shrinkage*. Or stasis of course. You don't do that with a 'snapshot'. Now please don't tell me you don't know how to judge if something is growing or shrinking over time. That would be stupid even by your usual standard. BTW, if a tumor is growing, do you consider that good, bad or meaningless news? What if it's shrinking? Let's take your brain as an example. If shrinkage is occuring over time, which it definitely is, then it's certainly a good thing, since in due course, even the gurgling sounds it makes are likely to stop. The question, however, is whether your end game is associated with the fact you have been chewing gum while waiting to completely fizzle out, or whether it was your exposure to pharmaceuticals over the same time frame, in which case I would have to say that your stupidity is definitely by prescription. PeterB Ah, a typical PeteyB reply. He said something really stupid, JohnDoe pointed this out, and PeteyB responds with kindergarten drivel that doesn't even mention the stupid thing he said, let alone JohnDoe's explanation of why it was so stupid. And he wonders why people think him dim. |
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PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article . com, PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article 4zGPg.551428$Mn5.67678@pd7tw3no, vakker wrote: If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in? Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting better? There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs. No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what works best to stimulate and support that response. My claim was accurate -- the rabid alties will give all credit to the herbs and even if he got immunotherapy and radiation and a bunch of other stuff from the Evil MD Empire, that'll get no credit. If Hoxsey is so great, how come Abraham's tumors were getting larger? One patient can't prove the efficacy of any given treatment. Finally, something we can agree on. But cancer is a disease process, so basing prognosis on tumor size at a moment in time is like taking a snapshot of a person minutes before they die in a car crash -- meaningless (unless you can stop the clock.) But it wasn't size per se, it was the trend. Tumors getting smaller is good. Tumors getting larger is bad. The fact that the news story reported that the situation was looking good for young Mr. Cherrix suggests the tumors are shrinking again. And I still won't be valuing your opinion. Whose opinion do you value? People who provide evidence for their statements, rather than those who attempt to make pronouncements that everyone else is supposed to accept as gospel (you and vernon come to mind as examples of the latter type). -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "George Bush is a gruesome boob." -- Bill Maher |
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PeterB wrote:
JohnDoe wrote: PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article . com, PeterB wrote: David Wright wrote: In article 4zGPg.551428$Mn5.67678@pd7tw3no, vakker wrote: If Abraham Cherrix becomes completely well what will all the naysayers do and say? How will they try to make it insignificant? I wonder how Moran will try to poo poo poo it away? Spontaneous remission? The chemo kicked in? Wrong diagnosis to begin with? A miracle? Peter, how is this kid getting better? There's no way to know what they'll say, because the family isn't giving any information about treatments Abraham is getting. But if he's getting herbs and radiation, and he does get better, it's a cinch the nitwits will attribute *everything* to the herbs. No, it's a cinch that nitwits like you will attribute anything to his improvement other than his own immune response. The question is what works best to stimulate and support that response. My claim was accurate -- the rabid alties will give all credit to the herbs and even if he got immunotherapy and radiation and a bunch of other stuff from the Evil MD Empire, that'll get no credit. If Hoxsey is so great, how come Abraham's tumors were getting larger? One patient can't prove the efficacy of any given treatment. But cancer is a disease process, so basing prognosis on tumor size at a moment in time is like taking a snapshot of a person minutes before they die in a car crash -- meaningless (unless you can stop the clock.) Idiot. You seem to be getting worse by the hour. Nobody is basing a prognosis on tumor *size*. It's about tumor *growth* or *shrinkage*. Or stasis of course. You don't do that with a 'snapshot'. Now please don't tell me you don't know how to judge if something is growing or shrinking over time. That would be stupid even by your usual standard. BTW, if a tumor is growing, do you consider that good, bad or meaningless news? What if it's shrinking? Let's take your brain as an example. If shrinkage is occuring over time, which it definitely is, then it's certainly a good thing, since in due course, even the gurgling sounds it makes are likely to stop. The question, however, is whether your end game is associated with the fact you have been chewing gum while waiting to completely fizzle out, or whether it was your exposure to pharmaceuticals over the same time frame, in which case I would have to say that your stupidity is definitely by prescription. PeterB C'mon Petey, lets hear you answer 2 simple questions: 1) is tumor growth good or bad? 2) is tumor shrinkage good or bad? |
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